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It pays to keep revisiting newspaper archives online as more and more papers are added each day. I have now found my Daniel GORMAN who was a surgeon in Glasgow, but he came from Dromara according to his death notice (attached). I am hoping therefore, that he married (Margret?) in Dromara before coming over to Glasgow so any help appreciated from those local to the area.
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RC registers re online... registers.nli.ie
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Nothing specific on your man, but just to note a few references to Gormans of Dromara here, including mention of those from Moybrick and Levallyreagh (forenames include Hugh and Daniel):
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/G/Go.htm
The PRONI Will Calendars have several entries for Gormans from Levallyreagh, Griffiths Valuation shows two Gormans from Moybrick and Levallyreagh and Gormans are still in Levallyreagh by the time of the 1901 Ireland census.
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In Pigot and co.'s national commercial directory of Scotland, 1837 he is not marked as a member of 'The Glasgow College' (of Surgeons?) so probably not trained there?
Daniel Gorman 144 Bridgegate, Glasgow.
https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=0ecNAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA604&dq=doctor+daniel+gorman+glasgow&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjN_NfJzd3KAhXKEpQKHXykCYUQ6AEIKjAD#v=onepage&q=doctor%20daniel%20gorman%20glasgow&f=false
Was he in Glasgow from 1829?
Scottish Post Office Directories > Towns > Glasgow > 1828-1912 - Post-Office annual Glasgow directory > 1829-1830
GORMAN, Daniel, surgeon, Reid street, Bridgeton
http://digital.nls.uk/83786885
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Hi Helen, from http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/down/tithe-applotment-books/dromara-parish.php#.VrTpc8d6E5Q
Gorman, Domnick Townland: Aughnaskeagh Year: 1828
Gorman, John Townland: Aughnaskeagh Year: 1828
Gorman, Patrick Townland: Livallyreagh Year: 1828
Gorman, Patt. Townland: Levallyreagh Year: 1828
Geographically Levallyreagh townland is just to the south west of Dromara itself and going further westwards, you pass through Moybrick before reaching Aughnaskeagh. From the furthest western point to Dromara is 3 miles at most.
Original Tithe booksbooks in Belfast PRONI visitors only access, the tithes are known to be incomplete, and the originals don’t show relatives etc will give more detail about the land quality good or poor for taxation purposes. However getting mature list of occupiers gives likely parents etc
Church records Ros davies gives them all, Church of ireland buried all denomination, burial book might be in existence ask rector. More likely is St. Michael the Archangel Catholic Church formerly Church of Sacred Heart c. 1886 in Finnis townlandon the road between Rathfriland & Dromara...... The graveyard dates from middle of 18th century with the oldest stone 1767. Up till 1820, some Catholic families buried their dead in St.John's Church of Ireland graveyard in Dromara. The graveyard was levelled in 1959 & a new entrance and pathways made in 1973.............Records http://registers.nli.ie/ has registers to view 1844-1882; PRONI, NLI & LDS have baptisms, marriages & burials 1844-1880;UHF has baptisms & marriages 1844-1900, graveyard attached, gravestones UHF Vol 19 ; email me Ros Davies for a gravestone look-up. That might be well worthwhile.
PRONI has church records on microfilm plus lots more
Personally I get pleasure looking up the griffiths valuation maps on askabout ireland where you will see the Aughnaskeagh Road running ewest out of ````dromara and abit further south the MoyBrick Road running through Levallyreagh. Then at the last minute having identified plot numbers location switch to modern google nad goto street level scenes and travel the roads through yopur homestead county from the your desk.
have fun JimG
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Many thanks for all these wonderful replies. I was so excited to find SOMETHING relating to Daniel as I have people in Australia also stuck at this point. As his death appeared in an Irish newspaper (and I can find nothing in the Glasgow papers, despite him being a doctor there) I will check in case he was buried elsewhere, but it is unlikely as his widow stayed on in Bridgegate and appears as a midwife in subsequent Post Office directories at the same address. Nearly all their children died (again - no trace) apart from Hugh, who appears on the 1861 census with his widowed mother in Manchester. I'll try and find his marriage to Margaret (which was probably before they left Ireland I think). I have a blog on what I have so far. http://gormanfamilytree.blogspot.co.uk/ (http://gormanfamilytree.blogspot.co.uk/)
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A death notice might have also appeared in a Glasgow or Scottish paper but not all old newspapers are indexed or online.
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His Scottish death certificate should have his parents' names on it.
Rosemary Joan
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Unfortunately, his death in 1844 pre-dates Scottish death certificates and there is no record either through the Catholic Records or the Old Parish Records.
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The nearest I could find to 144 Bridgegate Glasgow is in the Census
1841 Census living at 81 Lady Marshall Close, Bridgegate Street, Glasgow
Parish Lanark, County Lanarkshire, Scotland
Daniel Gorman b 1806, aged 35, birth country blank, occupation blank, m Catherine Gorman b 1816 aged 25 birth country blank
children
Peter Gorman b 1831 aged 10 Birth County blank
John Gorman b1836, aged 5 Birth County blank
The irish records include
DANIEL GORMAN b 1833 father DANIEL Down
DANIEL GORMAN married in 1822 Down too early for Catherine
see http://www.ancestryireland.com
Ros Davies
Daniel GORMAN . Dromara of Levallyreagh; will probated 1808 IIW V4 p50
Hugh GORMAN . Dromara of Levallyreagh; will probated 1822 IIW V4 p50
further thoughts
I wonder if the children of Hugh Gorman of Dromara are known
Have you checked A Directory of Ulster Doctors (who qualified before 1901) by Richard Clarke Pub 2013, Ulster Historical Foundation Hardback ISBN 978-1-909556-02-7 1293pp., Dimensions 250mm x 160mm ?
Good luck onwards
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... Have you checked A Directory of Ulster Doctors (who qualified before 1901) by Richard Clarke Pub 2013, Ulster Historical Foundation Hardback ISBN 978-1-909556-02-7 1293pp., Dimensions 250mm x 160mm ? ...
I have this 2 book directory and unfortunately, he isn't listed.
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Is this record of any interest?
Marriages
Date of Marriage 01/09/1822
Husband's Name DANIEL GORMAN
Husband's Address LISTULLYCURRAN
Husband's Denomination Roman Catholic
Wife's Name MARY GRIBBIN
Wife's Address LISTULLYCURRAN
Wife's Denomination Roman Catholic
Comment .
Address 1 DROMORE Roman Catholic
Address 2 BANBRIDGE
Address 3 DROMORE GARVAGHY NEWRY
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My Daniel would have been born around 1799 according to the age on the 1841 census (where he is listed as DAN'L). I have this so far - see http://gormanfamilytree.blogspot.co.uk/
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Looks like you need your tree updating, but well done for giving us what you have done
heres my last offering
in 1841 census your Danl Gorman b 1801, Surgeon is living at {unnumbered entry in }Stockwell street in the parish of Lanark in Glasgow with Margaret his wife b1799/ there is no mention of Ireland
Daniel Gordon b 1801 m year >1827 ? location ? Margaret b 1799
children
1. Patrick b 1827 Lanarkshire later 1851, could be a clerk in Rutherglen Loan,
Parish Gorbals
2. Daniel b 1828 Lanarkshire no trace in 1851 census for lanarkshire
3. Thomas b 1840 Lanarkshire no trace in 1851 census for lanarkshire
there is another resident Cath Fitsimons b 1796 occupation F S {Female servant?]
{Could be Margarets sister i forgot to check her brthplace if mentioned
other sources unexamined
Post Office Directories of Glasgow
online see http://digital.nls.uk/directories/browse/pageturner.cfm?id=83841290
a quick look revealed
1841-1842 page 105 Gorman Daniel Surgeon 144 Bridgegate house 161 Stockwell street the year
1845-1846 has Gorman Mrs Daniel 144 Bridgegate,
1846-1847 has Gorman Mrs Dr., 144 Bridgegate,
1850-51 no entry
obituary notices
Glasgow Medical Journal (from 1828), the Edinburgh Medical Journal (from 1805), the Lancet (from 1823) All these volumes are available in the College Library see https://www.rcpsg.ac.uk/library.aspx
I’m done, hope you get help from others