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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: abydos on Sunday 31 January 16 20:57 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for information about Annie Grant born Jan 4, 1889, Maryhill Glasgow and her sister Mary, born Dec. 24, 1886. Their birth cert. list the last name Ferguson. But in the census they are listed as Grants. This goes for all their siblings. Their parents names were John Grant (1841-1924) and Catherine McEachren (1856-1924)
In 1901 the family was living at 33 Bardowie St. Maryhill Glasgow.
Their parents and 4 of the other siblings came to Canada in 1907. One other sister, Catherine stayed in the UK and married Henry Campbell.
Any help would be great.
Abydos
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Hi, this is a puzzle. I looked at the death record for John Grant in Canada and the informant on it is William Grant son of John. William says that John Grant's parents are John Grant & Catherine McEachren. These two are who you are saying the parents of Ann, Mary & Catherine are.
Looking about I found a marriage for a John Ferguson & Catherine McEachren on the 27 December 1875 Barony, Glasgow, Lanarkshire. In the 1881 Scotland census I found:
1881 census-Cambusnethan, Lanark
John Ferguson age 42 born 1839 Wishaw, Lanark occ: iron moulder
Catherine Ferguson age 36 born 1845 Shotts, Lanark
John Ferguson age 11 born 1870 Shotts, Lanark son
Ann Ferguson age 8 born 1873 Shotts, Lanark daughter
Catherine Ferguson age 4 born 1877 Shotts, Lanark daughter
Marion Ferguson age 9 months born 1880 Shotts, Lanark daughter
1891 census Cambusnethan, Lanark
Andrew Colquhoun age 53 born 1838 Tollcross, Lanark occ: iron moulder
John Ferguson age 21 born 1870 Shotts, Lanark occ: iron moulder son
Donald Ferguson age 7 born 1884 Shotts, Lanark son
Marion Ferguson age 10 born 1881 Shotts, Lanark daughter
Catherine McLean age 60 born 1831 Islay, Argyllshire housekeeper
** note the 3 children have Andrew Colquhoun listed as their father in the 1891 census
1891 census Scotland-Glasgow
Ann Ferguson age 19 born Glasgow occ: cleaner in the Glasgow Royal Infirmary
Catherine Ferguson age 14 born Glasgow occ: steam loom weaver listed as niece living with the McIntyres
If you look at the1901 Scotland census it says that Catherine was born in Islay, Argyllshire just as Catherine McLean was in 1891 census which leads me to believe that it is indeed Catherine in the 1891 census with her children. What I'm wondering is could John Ferguson have died sometime between William's birth in 1892 and 1901 and perhaps Catherine remarried to John Grant who adopted her children??? It seems odd that a. the children were born Ferguson & called Grant with same dad b. why would John Ferguson become John Grant after the children were born?? c. the places of birth & occupation is different between the 2 men which leads me to believe they are indeed 2 separate men. Hope this helps, Kim
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Hi,
That 1901 family appear to be living at New Keppochhill Road, Barony, St Rollox, Lanarkshire in 1891.
John Grant Head 46 Distillery Lab Argyllshire
Catherine Grant Wife 35 Argyllshire
Maggie Grant 14 Message Girl Glasgow, Lanarkshire
John Grant Son 12 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Catherine Grant 10 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Donald Grant 6 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Mary Grant 4 Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Ann Grant 2 Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Jen
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Jen, there is also this possible 1901 family here. Children all show as born in Glasgow:
John Grant 60 Labourer In Distillery b. Islay, Argyleshire
Catherine Grant 48 b. Islay, Argyleshire
John Grant 22
Kate Grant 20
Donald Grant 16
Mary Grant 14
Annie Grant 12
Willie Grant 9
Address 33 Bardowie Street, Glasgow/Maryhill
Monica
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Hi Monica,
I think that's the family mentioned by Abydos in her opening remarks?
Jen
Edit - sorry Monica you were just making things transparent -it's been a long day :)
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Seems to be. Just found this a/try here http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/25740139/person/12805808505/facts
John Ferguson/Grant's mother was Catherine Ferguson it seems. Original image for marriage included along with lots of detail.
Monica
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I'm well confused. The John Grant who died 1924, Belville, Ontario age 77 was supposed to be born in Inverness to a John Grant and a Catherine McEacheron. That is unless the son William provided the wrong information at the time of his father's death.
Jen
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William says that John Grant's parents are John Grant & Catherine McEachren. These two are who you are saying the parents of Ann, Mary & Catherine are.
Looking about I found a marriage for a John Ferguson & Catherine McEachren on the 27 December 1875 Barony, Glasgow, Lanarkshire. In the 1881 Scotland census I found:
1881 census-Cambusnethan, Lanark
John Ferguson age 42 born 1839 Wishaw, Lanark occ: iron moulder
Catherine Ferguson age 36 born 1845 Shotts, Lanark
John Ferguson age 11 born 1870 Shotts, Lanark son (pre marriage)
Ann Ferguson age 8 born 1873 Shotts, Lanark daughter (pre marriage)
Catherine Ferguson age 4 born 1877 Shotts, Lanark daughter
Marion Ferguson age 9 months born 1880 Shotts, Lanark daughter
1891 census Cambusnethan, Lanark
Andrew Colquhoun age 53 born 1838 Tollcross, Lanark occ: iron moulder
John Ferguson age 21 born 1870 Shotts, Lanark occ: iron moulder son
Missing are Ann 1873 & Catherine 1877..........then a gap in years
Donald Ferguson age 7 born 1884 Shotts, Lanark son
Marion Ferguson age 10 born 1881 Shotts, Lanark daughter
Catherine McLean age 60 born 1831 Islay, Argyllshire housekeeper
** note the 3 children have Andrew Colquhoun listed as their father in the 1891 census
I think some b certs. are needed ???
Annie
EDIT.......gap not too big as I notice now Donald & marion are in wrong order
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I assumed that John Ferguson and John Grant was the same person.
However
Their parents and 4 of the other siblings came to Canada in 1907.
John Grant and his wife Catherine arrived in Canada 30 Mar 1907 aboard the Corinthian.
Destination was Bellevue, Ontario, but there were only two children in the party.
22 yr old Donald and 16 yr old Willie.
The 2 other children who also emigrated to Canada, must have travelled separately
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All the birth certs. should have both parents & date/place of marriage
Do you have all these?
Annie
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On the Canadian 1911 census there's a nephew in tow with the Grants. He's called Hector Grant born about 1885 - only one Hector Grant showing in Scotland for 1901 born around that time and he's the son of a Hector Grant born Ilsay about 1855.
Brothers John Grant aged 25 and Hector Grant aged 17 can be found on the 1871 census living 104 Craighill Street, Maryhill - their occupations tie in with the 1901 census. Wonder if John is Hector's half brother?
Jen
Edit:If this is the correct birth it looks like John was Hector's brother - mother in law is conveniently with the family in 1851.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTJQ-WM9
EDIT:Just adding older post on this family:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=541124.18
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I was looking at the Ancestry tree link provided by Monica.
I am certain that John Grant and John Ferguson is the same person.
The addresses link up
I think he was his mother's son, born before she married William Grant.
His baptism in Kilchoman 1845 states his parents were William GRANT and Catherine Ferguson but, he has over 3yrs old when he was baptised.
His name on all census returns is Grant but he married in 1875 as John Ferguson.
The witness to this marriage was Hector Grant who is believed to be his brother.
All John's children were apparently born as Ferguson ( perhaps to reflect the marriage) but were all known as Grant.
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Hi everyone
I do have birth cert. for all the children. Listing parents as John Ferguson and Catherine McEachien.
John Grant (my grandfather) Married Margaret Mundell. his wedding cert has his parents listed as John Grant and Catherine McKeachnie. On Feb. 4 1937 after finding out his birth cert read Ferguson my grandfather legally changed his name to Grant. It is weird that my great grandfathers mother's maiden name was Ferguson.
I just looked at my grandfathers birth cert. his parents where married 1875 Dec. 28 Maryhill District.
Hector was a cousin to my grandfather.
Margaret my grandfathers sister came to Canada with her girls to join her husband Alexander Campbell.
Oh the headache lol this has been.
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I do have a tree on Ancestry. It is the Grant family tree by Abydos If having a look at it will help please do. :)
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Abydos,
It's not weird that your great grandfather's mother was Catherine Ferguson.
What is weird is that throughout his life, John used the name of Grant.
Why did he marry as Ferguson? Why were his children born as Ferguson yet known as Grant?
On the 1875 marriage he states his father was William Ferguson a ( Ploughman), yet at the time, "Father" William Grant was a Distillery Labourer
Lastly, I know you have attached the OPR baptism for John b 1841 on Islay to your tree.
This is a collated OPR which has been produced some years later.
It cannot have been created in 1841 because 2 of the children are showing as baptised in 1845 and 1846
One way to clarify if John Ferguson/Grant was born inside a marriage is to locate the birth of the youngest child born to William Grant and Catherine Ferguson.
Their date and place of marriage should be recorded on the birth cert.
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Hi Annie
I just pulled all the birth cert. and the information on all is the same.
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Abydos,
I'm referring to the children born to William Grant and Catherine Ferguson.
The birth record for their youngest child should provide the date and place of THEIR own marriage.
EDIT:
I see it.
Daughter Catherine Grant b 1866.
states parents William Grant and Catherine Ferguson were married in Jan 1843.
Son John was born in 1841.
Im certain that William Grant was not his biological father
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I now see William Grant and Catherine Ferguson marriage banns in Polmont, Stirlingshire are dated Jan 1840.
John Grant's 1845 baptism states his DOB was 1 Sep 1841
His paternity problably isn't relevant but it's fairly clear that John Grant and John Ferguson is the same person
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Perhaps I have two families mixed together.
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It's what I though initially Abydos but, I now tbelieve that you have one correct family.
Tracking them on census data after their marriage is fairly easy as they never left the Maryhill area.
The only difference is the name isn't Ferguson, it's Grant.
This is totally unconnected but some time ago, i did some research on a complicated family called McIntyre who lived in Keppochhill Street.
They too came from Kilchoman( Islay) in the same time period.
I noticed at the time that this area seemed have a high concentration of Islanders
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Hi Anne
I am glad to hear that I am following only one family.