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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: ART2012 on Monday 18 January 16 01:27 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Margaret Doyle married David Cunningham on the 11 August 1850, St Philip's Church, Liverpool. Marriage records have a John Doyle , Gardener as her father. One of the witness is Richard Doyle.
I was hoping that her death record would provide information on her mother, alas it didn't :(. She died 31 December 1880 in Dunedin, NZ at the age of 48. The records show that her father was John Doyle, Nurseryman and that she was married in Liverpool at the age of 18 to David Cunningham. The marriage record said she was of full age. If the death record information is correct then she must have been born around 1832.
She travelled from Liverpool to Melbourne in 1853, the passenger list has her age as 25. This would mean an earlier birth date.
Any information / help would be very much appreciated.
Thanks
ART2012
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She married in Liverpool in 1850 but have you found her on the 1851 census? Have you any confirmation that she was born in Liverpool itself?
Annette
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if the death cert is right - this is a possibility - born 7th November 1831 would make her 18 on 11th Aug 1850 at her marriage - so it all fits in with the death cert
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3M8-W8Q
what do you think ??
ADDED- possible marriage ??
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3M8-W8Q
if it is Mary Wibby - what a lovely surname to research :)
looking at Lan-opc - her marriage is there - but not her baptism ??...so it doesn't look like she was born in Liverpool
Marriage: 23 Apr 1820 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Doyle - Labourer, Parish of Liverpool
Mary Wibby - Spinster, Parish of Liverpool
Married by Banns by: T. Kidd Curate
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You may already have this info...
Baptism Mary Denham Sanderson Cunningham Born 16 June 1851 Bapt.31 Aug 1851
St Peters Liverpool
Parents Margaret + David Cunningham(master mariner)
Jasper? Street
Jackie
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There is a tree on Ancestry that suggests she was born in Scotland,but still has her here in the UK in 1871,so either that's the wrong person or she was back here by then?
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If Margaret lied about her age on her marriage (of full age means over 21 ie born 1829 or earlier) then the other ages may not be consistent
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Plus we still don't know that she was definitely born in Liverpool only that she married there. I cannot find her on the 1851 census when she ought to be in Liverpool - her daughter born there 16/6/1851 at Blackstock Street.
The vast majority of Doyle's in Liverpool were born in Ireland - have only found one John Doyle who was a gardener in 1851 (bc.1789 Rathdrum, Wicklow, Ireland) but can't see him in Liverpool in 1841.
Look at original records for marriages/baptisms in Liverpool aside from Margaret's own marriage cannot find any other Doyle whose father John was a gardener.
Annette
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Have you considered that dad might have died by 1841.
There is this family in St Martin area of Liverpool in 1841 with no head,but as the oldest son is called John,it's likely that dad was too.There is also a brother called Richard,who may have been the witness?
Ellen Doyle 39 charwoman
John Doyle 20 mariner
Mary Ann Doyle 17
Ellen Doyle 12
Elizabeth Doyle 10
Margt Doyle 8
Richard Doyle 2
Alice Doyle 6
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. I cannot find her on the 1851 census when she ought to be in Liverpool - her daughter born there 16/6/1851 at Blackstock Street.
I've looked at this baptism in two places and I'm seeing Jasper Street , not Blackstock Street. I can't find Blackstock Street on the 1851 census , but there is a family of Doyles at 4 Jasper Street, Liverpool.
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I'm seeing Jasper Street too for that baptism. There are some Doyles at 4 Jasper Street on the 1851 Census:-
Amelia McNabb H M 30 Mangling Ireland
Eliza McNabb D 10 Scholar Ireland
Samuel McNabb S 7 Scholar Birkenhead Cheshire
Margaret Doyle Niece M 57 Laundress Liverpool
Ellen Doyle D 31 Milliner Liverpool
Ann Doyle D 13 Milliner Liverpool
Mary Doyle GD 2 Liverpool
Blue
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Hello,
I think that Margaret Doyle found by Blue is at
1841 560 18/ 29
There are a whole host of Doyles here. Patrick, householder is a Gardener :)
Patrick Doyle 49 yrs
Margt Doyle 49 yrs
Edwd Doyle 24 yrs
Ellen Doyle 21 yrs
James Doyle 18 yrs
Thos Doyle 16 yrs
Margt Doyle 14 yrs
Peter Doyle 12 yrs
Ritchud Doyle 9 yrs - as transcribed
Margt Roben Doyle 3 yrs
Geo Cunningham 22 yrs
Heywood
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this might have relevance
John Doyle, Gardener, This Parish m Ann Fisher, Spinster, This Parish 2 Sep 1833 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire by banns
Witnesses: Wm Battersby; Margaret Davies, (X)
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possible child of above marriage
John Worthington Doyle bap 15 Oct 1837 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire
son of John & Ann Doyle of Heath St.
Occupation: Gardener
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That looks interesting :)
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Hello,
I think that Margaret Doyle found by Blue is at
1841 560 18/ 29
There are a whole host of Doyles here. Patrick, householder is a Gardener :)
Patrick Doyle 49 yrs
Margt Doyle 49 yrs
Edwd Doyle 24 yrs
Ellen Doyle 21 yrs
James Doyle 18 yrs
Thos Doyle 16 yrs
Margt Doyle 14 yrs
Peter Doyle 12 yrs
Ritchud Doyle 9 yrs - as transcribed
Margt Roben Doyle 3 yrs
Geo Cunningham 22 yrs
Heywood
No wonder I didn't come across this Richard when I looked earlier.He's a much better age to be a witness to his sister's wedding 9 years later.
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But her fathers name is John, not Patrick, carol8353.
Annette