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Hello Everyone
My grandmother was Edith Wilde (nee Rampling) born abt 1906/7 Ashton-in-Makerfield - died about 1975 Golborne, I was about 6 or 7 when she died so I don't remember much about her. She was married to Richard Wilde, son of Thomas Wilde and Elizabeth Melling.
My dad doesnt remember many of the Ramplings as my Grandma and her family fell out because she switched religion from C of E to Catholic!
What he does remember is that Edith's dad was called James and his wife was Jane - they came from Ashton in Makerfield - they had about 13 children! but all he can remember are Annie, James and Eliza.
If anyone can help, please contact me
Best wishes
Jan
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only two on BVRI
RAMPLING, Joseph Christening
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 15 Oct 1846
Christening Date: 31 Jan 1847 Recorded in: Ashton-in-Mackerfield, Lancashire, England
Collection: St Thomas; BTs
Father: James RAMPLING
Mother: Anne
RAMPLING, Sarah Matilda Christening
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 17 Dec 1851
Christening Date: 11 Jan 1852 Recorded in: Ashton-in-Mackerfield, Lancashire, England
Collection: St Thomas; BTs
Father: James RAMPLING
Mother: Anne
audrey
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Thanks Audrey!!!
Best wishes
Jan
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It looks like these may be your family on the 1901 census
RG13/3572 Wigan Ashton in Makerfield, Folio 93 Page 23
10 Golborne Road, Ashton in Makerfield
James Rampling, Head M 27 Brickpelter
Jane Wife M 25
Elizabeth daur 6
James Son 4
Annie daur 2
Gladys daur 4 months
All born Ashton in Makerfield
If you don't know Edith's date of birth, then if you get Gladys's birth certificate it will tell you Jane's maiden name
Gladys Rampling December qtr 1900 Wigan 8c 169
You can order it online at www.gro.gov.uk
Hope this helps
Mary
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Here is James in 1891
64 Gerard Street, Ashton
James Rampling Head M 68 Grocer (neither employer nor employed) Somersetshire
Sarah Wife M 39 Lancs Haydock
James Son S 16 Bricksetter Lancs Ashton in Makerfield
Joseph " 14 Fishmonger " "
Thomas " 9 months " "
I would think that maybe Sarah was a second wife.
A James Rampling married September qtr 1894 Wigan 8c 8. One of the brides was a Jane Pimblett.
You should be able to find the family in the 1881 census at www.familysearch.org
Mary
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Yes, on the LancashireBMD site there is a marriage of James Rampling and Jane Pimblett in 1894 in St Thomas, Ashton in Makerfield, the register is held at Wigan.
Also there is a marriage of James Rampling and Sarah Ann Houlton in 1872 in the Register Office Wigan.
Mary
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There are a few Jane Pimbletts in the near area, but this one was born and living in Ashton in Makerfield. The only way you'll find out for certain is by Jane and James marriage certificate, which will list the father's names.
1891 RG12/3068 Wigan Ashton in Makerfield Folio 47 Page 42
Jamesons Farm, seems to be near Golborne Road, Ashton in Makerfield
Joseph Pimplett Head M 49 Farmer (employer) Ashton in Makerfield Lancs
Elizabeth Wife M 55 Pemberton "
Joseph Son S 18 Farmer's Son Ashton in Makerfield "
Mary E daur S 16 " daughter " "
Jane " S 15 " " " "
Same page - Sewage Farm
Luke Pimblett Head M 48 Farmer Employer
Elizabeth Wife M 43
Elizabeth daur 14
Mary daur 13 Scholar
Hugh Son 11 "
Jacob " 8 "
Alice daur 5 "
Luke Son 1
All born Ashton in Makerfield
Mary
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PIMBLETT, Jane Bir 1845 Engl Lanc AsiMac
Fa: Henry PIMBLETT
Mo: Mary
PIMBLETT, Ellen Bir 1846 Engl Lanc AsiMac
Fa: Henry PIMBLETT
Mo: Mary
PIMBLETT, Henry Bir 1846 Engl Lanc AsiMac
Fa: Thomas PIMBLETT
Mo: Elisabeth
PIMBLETT, Hannah Bir 1847 Engl Lanc AsiMac
Fa:
Mo: Alice PIMBLETT
PIMBLETT, Mary Bir 1848 Engl Lanc AsiMac
Fa: Henry PIMBLETT
Mo: Mary
PIMBLETT, John Bir 1849 Engl Lanc AsiMac
Fa: Thomas PIMBLETT
Mo: Elizabeth
PIMBLETT, William Bir 1849 Engl Lanc AsiMac
Fa:
Mo: Anne PIMBLETT
PIMBLETT, John Bir 1850 Engl Lanc AsiMac
Fa: Henry PIMBLETT
Mo: Ellen
PIMBLETT, Hannah Bir 1852 Engl Lanc AsiMac
Fa: Henry PIMBLETT
Mo: Ellen
PIMBLETT, Elizabeth Bir 1853 Engl Lanc AsiMac
Fa: Thomas PIMBLETT
Mo: Betty
PIMBLETT, Richard Bir 1853 Engl Lanc AsiMac
Fa:
Mo: Mary PIMBLETT
hope the above helps
audrey
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Hi There
A big thankyou to Audrey and Mary for all your help! :) :) :)
If you can find further back - i would be eternally greatful!
Cheers & Best Wishes
Jan
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Have you tried yourself to find the 1881 census at www.familysearch.org ? I think you need to take it step by step before we check the 1871 and 1861 for you, if we have the wrong families then you will be going completely up the wrong alley.
I know it seems likely these are right, but as I told you before the only way to be positive that you have the right family is by confirmation with either a birth certificate which will give both parents names (incuding mother's maiden name) or the marriage certificate giving their names, ages, addresses, occupations, fathers names and occupations and hopefully a couple of witnesses who might be relatives.
Mary
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Hi Mary
Thanks for the advice- I am sure that these are the correct details as I have contacted a gentleman who is studying the Pimblett family and as a stroke of luck he has a copy of the marriage cert of James Rampling and Jane Pimblett! he has confirmed the details of their parents.
Thanks once again - I will look them up in the 1881 census!
Jan
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HEllo AGAIN
I have found them in the 1881 census living at No 64 Gerrard Street Ashton in Makerfield district of St Thomas.
James Aged 60(!) SHOP KEEPER - all born in Ashton In - M
Sarah Wife aged 29 HOUSE KEEPER
JAMES Aged 6
William Aged 4
Arthur Swift Nephew Water Fitter aged 39
Can anyone get any further back for me?
Cheers
Jan
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Can't be sure about these, you will notice that James only married Sarah in 1872.
In 1871 there is RG10/3898 Wigan Ashton in Makerfield Folio 131 Page 1
Town South Side, Ashton in Makerfield
James Rampling Head M 50 Draper and Labourer Middlesex Lothbury
Ann Wife M 53 Draper Middlesex London
There is a death of Ann Rampling December qtr 1872 Wigan age 55 8c 66 and
Marriage of James Rampling December qtr 1872 Wigan 8c 131
Very strangely if the above is your James, in 1861 RG9/2786 Wigan Ashton in Makerfield Folio 139 Page 44
Town, Ashton in Makerfield
James Rampling Head M 40 Highway Labourer Northumberland Lawtham
Ann Wife M 42 Dressmaker London
Joseph Son 14 Bricklayer's labourer Lancashire Shepton Mallet
Matilda daur 9 Scholar " Ashton in Makerfield
Mary
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Hi Mary
Thanks once again for all your help.
I agree with you it all seems very strange! James the elder can't make his mind up where he's from! Somersetshire, Ashton, Northumberland! I'll definitely have to investigate further. :) :) :)
Meanwhile - is there anyone who has the 1851 census or 1841 census Who can find James and Ann?
Many Thanks
Jan
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Hi Everyone
Just had a reply from a Rampling on GenesReunited - this his his quote
"This James is a real problem. I have not been able properly to place him. I can't help thinking that he had something to hide.
1861C gives his birthplace as Lawtham NBL
1871C gives his birthplace as Lothbury MDX
1881C gives his birthplace as A-i-M.
1891C gives his birthplace as Somerset!!
It is clear that his son Joseph, by his first wife, was born in Somerset (Shepton Mallet BMD 1846 q4 Shepton Mallet 10,442).
His first wife (Ann) died 1872 (BMD 1872 q4 Wigan 8c,66 "age 55") and he married Sarah Ann Houlton (1872 q4 Wigan 8c,131).
Incidentally, I think you'll find that James (b.1874) was a "brickcutter."
Anyway, my current suspision (no more than that) is that is worth looking investigating the possibility that he was a "returnee." Those who were transported to Australia could return once they had served their term. Maybe that's a bit fanciful but I have rarely come across anyone so apparently wishing to hide their real origin.
Kevin "
If this is the case, where would I search for James as a convict?
Cheers
Jan
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Hi
I have some Rampling members up my tree , you can check my tree on Geni.com
we have William Rampling 1824 and this family all the way down to me , we might be able to connect our trees
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Hi Melanie Roux...
I am a Rampling, the last of another Rampling line...
As yet I have been unable to link my London Ramplings to any of the other Rampling trees.....London, Lancashire, East Anglia, Devon/Hants or Aussie and NZ.
I have been trying for many years now and would love to find a link.
I havn't yet been on Geni.com but I will register and may I look at your tree....you never know!
Thanks Jan for letting me put this on your post, we are the only two who are listed on the surname interest table for rampling!.
Bill
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Hi I am Anthony Douglas Edward RAMPLING-born S.Africa,now living in NEW Zealand-researching William Rampling mrrd to Sarah Jane Osborne Hadleigh,Suffolk.
Have been trying to connect Ramplin/Rampling families-cannot seem to be able to find connections of the varies families-any help would be appreciated :D
rgds Tony
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I was at school in Cheshire with a girl whose surname was Rampling, she also had a sister about a year or so older, both born in Lancashire. I won't give their names as they're probably still alive. Their mother was a medical doctor of some sort in Manchester.
I can't remember what her dad did but judging by where they lived he must have had a job with a good salary. Just checked, her dad was a medical doctor too.
If anyone wants their names please PM me.
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I think your school friend was my sister Alison Grindrod (nee Rampling). She celebrated her Diamond Wedding two weeks ago (2 April).
Her elder sister Jennifer died last year.
Our father was indeed a doctor as was our mother (both deceased of course).
Good luck
John Rampling
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Yes, it was Alison. I wasn't in her friendship group at the Grammar School , although I knew her. I don't remember Jennifer and Alison having a brother. Sorry! I'm surprised she is only just celebrating her Diamond Wedding Anniversary, as I remember seeing her in Hale, about 1960 when she told me she had just got engaged. Presumably she had a long engagement.
I'm sorry to hear about Jennifer.