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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: LizzieL on Wednesday 13 January 16 16:16 GMT (UK)
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George Derham died on 9 February 1869 age 68 years at Stanpit near Christchurch.It seemed there was no will, because administration of the effects was granted to one of his sons in July 1876, a few months after George's wife Sarah died. According to 1851 and 1861 censuses he was born in Christchurch.
As far as I can find, the only Derhams born in Christchurch around the turn of the 19th century were either the children of James Derham and Betty Sibley or of James's brothers - John Derham (and his wife Mary Thomas) and Peter Derham (and his wife Sarah / Sally Hopkins).
There was another brother Joseph bapt 1765 in Morden before the family migrated to Christchurch, (he must have died pre- 1841), who may have married a Jane, because there is a Jane Derham of suitable age to be his widow with a Betsy Derham in 1841.
I think he is most likely to be James and Betty's child because they have John bapt 16 Apr 1797 and Walter bapt 01 Aug 1802, so a gap in the right place.
John and Mary have no obvious gap at the relevant time.
Peter and Sally didn't marry until 1803
Can anyone find George'e baptism please and confirm parents.
George is mentioned in passing here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=709513.msg5529608#msg5529608
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Did a DNA test a few weeks ago and have a predicted 4th - 6th cousin match with a direct descendent of George Derham. If George is a child of James Derham and Betty Sibley as I suspect, the match would be my 5th cousin (right in the predicted range) so a bit more evidence to support my theory.
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I’m a direct descendant of James Derham & Betty Sibley through their son Walter James. He did have a brother called George, born 29 Nov 1799 and he died 9 Feb 1869.
George was a master mariner. His brother Walter James was christened on 1 Aug 1802, but I haven’t so far been able to find his exact dob.
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George Sibley Derham is my 4th great grandfather in 1841 he was aged 38 and the only head of Derhams with the first name George listed in Mudeford if this helps anyone. he owned plot4355 on fisherman's bank his son James footner Derham inherited the house, followed by his son Harry Derham who lived and died in the same property then known as 4 fishermans bank. his son my grandad was Joseph Sydney Derham he also lived and died in the same property re numbered 6 fishermans bank. it is still owned by the same family in 2025 now 6 generations spanning over 184 years who have lived in the same property
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George Sibley Derham is my 4th great grandfather in 1841 he was aged 38 and the only head of Derhams with the first name George listed in Mudeford if this helps anyone. he owned plot4355 on fisherman's bank his son James footner Derham inherited the house, followed by his son Harry Derham who lived and died in the same property then known as 4 fishermans bank. his son my grandad was Joseph Sydney Derham he also lived and died in the same property re numbered 6 fishermans bank. it is still owned by the same family in 2025 now 6 generations spanning over 184 years who have lived in the same property
Have you found the baptism of this George (Sibley) Derham b abt 1801/2?
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for anyone researching Derhams in Mudeford, Morden and immediate area not census, but dates and names of other records basic details for this page. James Derham 50 1883, Edward Derham 1821, Benjamin Derham 1790 mariner, Elanor and Samuel Derham 1763, Edmund and mother Elizabeth 1696 and 1697 john Derham steeple 1758
john Derham, Mary Derham 63, John 45, Elizabeth 18, all the above are very close to Morden others not mentioned are slightly further afield.
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for anyone researching Derhams in Mudeford, Morden and immediate area not census, but dates and names of other records basic details for this page. James Derham 50 1883, Edward Derham 1821, Benjamin Derham 1790 mariner, Elanor and Samuel Derham 1763, Edmund and mother Elizabeth 1696 and 1697 john Derham steeple 1758
john Derham, Mary Derham 63, John 45, Elizabeth 18, all the above are very close to Morden others not mentioned are slightly further afield.
What are the sources for these dates / ages? Are the dates, birth years or death years? Are the ages, the age of the person at death or on a particular census?
And welcome to Rootschat - 5th cousin!
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these are official records for various different reasons from house rental agreements from manor estates
court records for prosecution, witness to assault, inquest to drowning (not census, birth or death.) hospital records.
merely to place and date anyone researching the Derham family I also have records of other Derhams who remained in Dorset after 1841
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Without knowing the record and context, a list of names and dates / ages is of limited use.
For example "Benjamin Derham 1790 mariner". You don't mention a place or whether 1790 was dob, dod or another life event.
I have previously researched this Benjamin, but so far unable to connect him to my tree. He was baptised at St James Poole on 15 Jun 1768, son of Benjamin Derham and his wife Mary (nee Bushell), who had married at St James, Poole on 28 Feb 1768 (witnesses Thomas Burt and Daniel Harrison). Benjamin jnr married Sarah Frampton on 25 Dec 1788 at St James Poole. They had a son (also Benjamin) baptised on 25 Dec 1789. Benj jnr was a mate on the vessel "Mary Ann". He drowned on 13 January 1790 in Brownsea Road after falling from that vessel. The inquest was held the following day (14 Jan 1790) and he was buried at Skinner St Independent Chapel, Poole on 17th January 1790.
Benjamin and Mary had also had another son, Edward, baptised 15 Apr 1770 at St James, Poole.
Possible burial for Benjamin snr on 23 Sep 1774 at St James, Poole.
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I have access to a lot of records and not a lot of time to put up every single detail for each individual entry I would be here for weeks
The names are only to help those place somebody's location or age them at a specific date to help or eliminate a possible relation and not really for those who want birth death and marriages
you are correct with the drowning in 1790 however he did not drown in Brownsea road as this road did not exist in 1790 the modern name Brownsea did not exist until 1903 he was actually buried in Hunger hill burial ground Poole. skinners chapel did not have Its own burial ground hope this may help a bit I'm local to Christchurch Bournemouth and Poole, of 67 years, and Dorset directly back to1602 best wishes to all
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The name Brownsea road was from report in the Sherborne Mercury dated 18 January 1790, it gave a brief report of the inquest which had been held four days earlier. So it was obviously being used a long time before 1903.
If you have access to FindMyPast or the British Newspaper Archive, you can search for the publication. It is on page 3, about halfway down column 4.
You are correct about the actual burial, it was at Hunger Hill, but recorded at Skinner Street, so presumably the place of the funeral.
If your family goes back to 1602, would that be to Edward Derham of Bloxworth, your 9 x great grandfather?
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burial record says Leg Lane Protestant Dissenters burying ground, presumably Findagrave is using a later name
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Brownsea sea road may have existed elsewhere in Poole but the current Brownsea road is situated on Sandbanks which in 1790 was a uninhabited sand bar, except the odd tramp with no roads, on to or leading to the sand bar. the Canford estate records has no recorded name until it became Parkstone on sea I have not read the article but it is common for names to be given by locals before being adopted officially. I would have to query how Benjamin drowned on the brig Mary Anne on a road it is most likely he drowned at the entrance to the harbour as it was notoriously dangerous
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Brownsea or Branksea road is a channel not an actual vehicle road. It is off the SE side of the island. You can find it on historical maps on NLS website