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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Thunder Monkey on Saturday 02 January 16 18:25 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,
Hope you all had a good holiday season.
I was hoping anyone could help me try to trace my 3x Gt GF and hopefully his parents.
His name was William Long, b1857, in 'London' (however 1891 census states Devizes, Wiltshire) and was a gas and water fitter.
He married Matilda Louisa Dove (born 1862, Clacton, Essex) in 1879; unsure on location as year was taken from 1911 census.
They had 4 children; William, John Henry, Thomas Frederick and Charles Pretoria.
All born in Gt Clacton, Essex.
1891 census - Class: RG12; Piece: 1400; Folio: 20; Page: 12; - born London
1901 census - Class: RG13; Piece: 1695; Folio: 36; Page: 33 - born Devizes, Wiltshire
1911 census - Class: RG14; Piece: 10229; Schedule Number: 300 - born London
This is all the info that I have, if anyone could help I would be very grateful.
TIA
Butch
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Here is their marriage - from Freebmd:
Marriages Sep 1879
DOVE Matilda
LONG William
Tendring 4a 395
The certificate would give you his father's name.
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Here is their marriage - from Freebmd:
Marriages Sep 1879
DOVE Matilda
LONG William
Tendring 4a 395
The certificate would give you his father's name.
Thank you, much appreciated.
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Are you sure that you have the right one in 1901, the only one I can see born in Devizes is married to Emma Fanny Long.
This looks like his birth, but I don't think he is yours
William Long
1854 Jul-Aug-Sep
Devizes
Volume: 5a Page: 91
There are a lot of William Longs born in London around this time, so I think you may have to get the marriage certificate to make sure that you follow the right one.
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Are you sure that you have the right one in 1901, the only one I can see born in Devizes is married to Emma Fanny Long.
The 1901 is from Clacton again, and they are listed...
William Long 50
Matilda Long 40
John H Long 20
Thomas F Long 14
Charles P Long 11/12
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Found that one!
Isn't it odd (and annoying) that he is so sure of it being Devizes, Wiltshire on that one, but everywhere else just says London, rather than a place in London? Not only that his date of birth has changed to 1851!
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Look at this - could it be him in 1861 and so explain the two places of birth?
RG09 Piece 1293 Folio 108 Page 37
2, ... Court, St Marys, Devizes, Wiltshire
Elizabeth Long Widow 45 Charwoman Devizes, Wiltshire
Thomas Long Son 11 Scholar Westminster, Middlesex
William Long Son M 9 Scholar Westminster, Middlesex
John Long Son Male 6 Scholar Devizes, Wiltshire
Notice that he called two of his children Thomas and John!
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If so, this could be his father
1851 Westminster St John the Evangelist
HO107; Piece: 1479; Folio: 664; Page: 41;
Thomas Long 26 Hostter? Potterne, Wiltshire
Elizabeth Long 32 Devizes, Wiltshire
Thomas Long 1 Lambeth, Surrey
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Possible marriage?
Marriages Jun 1847
INGS Elizabeth
LONG Thomas
Amesbury 8 429
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Death of his father?
Deaths Mar 1854
Long Thomas
Devizes 5a 73
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1881 Census - transcribed as LANG - Occupation - Gas Fitter born London living in Little Clacton Road, Great Clacton. Age - 25
Reference : RG11 1779 Folio 36 Page 7.
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Look at this - could it be him in 1861 and so explain the two places of birth?
RG09 Piece 1293 Folio 108 Page 37
2, ... Court, St Marys, Devizes, Wiltshire
Elizabeth Long Widow 45 Charwoman Devizes, Wiltshire
Thomas Long Son 11 Scholar Westminster, Middlesex
William Long Son M 9 Scholar Westminster, Middlesex
John Long Son Male 6 Scholar Devizes, Wiltshire
Notice that he called two of his children Thomas and John!
If the 1861 is accurate - then this could be his birth reg:
William James Long - Westminster 1-470 Dec 1851 Qtr
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Groom, Kanskar,
You are both amazing! Thank you ever so much, I couldn't have got through this 'brickwall' without you.
Even after almost 8 years, I still need practice and lessons on searching for ancestors!
I am indebted to you both.
Cheers again.
Butch
P.S. Apologies for the delay, I live in Cyprus and we are a couple of hours ahead and can only get online once I get my darling 4 year old little girl to bed.
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You're welcome. It was pure luck finding that 1861 census when I searched using Devizes as a keyword, it was lucky that he used that as a place of birth on one census.
It looks as if the family moved to London at some time between the marriage and the birth of the first son, and then returned to Devizes before the death of Thomas in the March quarter of 1854. His son was born just after his death, in the June quarter of 1854. Perhaps Thomas was ill and returned home to die and so that his wife would be near family. A similar thing happened in my family. My gx2 grandfather and family moved to London from Suffolk and my great grandmother was born there. Then the next thing I found, three months later, was his death from TB back in Suffolk, and the family there in the following census.
Perhaps your William was aware that he was born somewhere in London, but because he lived in Devizes as a young child, probably also considered that is where he came from.
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Happy to help. Kanskar
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Looking for Thomas Long born 1825 Wiltshire in the 1841 census there are two - one in Wilsford, Amesbury and one in Sutton Veney, Warminster. I think yours is the first one as it comes under Amesbury and also the Sutton Veney one is still there with a wife in 1851.
According to the 1841, Thomas's father is a coachman. I think that Hostler in 1851 could well be Ostler ie working with horses.
1841 HO107; Piece: 1186; Book: 20 Wilsford
All born in county
William Long 35 coachman
Sarah Long 40
Thomas Long 15
Caroline 13
Maria 11
John 9
Robert 7
William 5
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You're welcome. It was pure luck finding that 1861 census when I searched using Devizes as a keyword, it was lucky that he used that as a place of birth on one census.
It looks as if the family moved to London at some time between the marriage and the birth of the first son, and then returned to Devizes before the death of Thomas in the March quarter of 1854. His son was born just after his death, in the June quarter of 1854. Perhaps Thomas was ill and returned home to die and so that his wife would be near family. A similar thing happened in my family. My gx2 grandfather and family moved to London from Suffolk and my great grandmother was born there. Then the next thing I found, three months later, was his death from TB back in Suffolk, and the family there in the following census.
Perhaps your William was aware that he was born somewhere in London, but because he lived in Devizes as a young child, probably also considered that is where he came from.
Another lesson learned. I'll add it to my ancestry-hunting lessons ;)
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Looking for Thomas Long born 1825 Wiltshire in the 1841 census there are two - one in Wilsford, Amesbury and one in Sutton Veney, Warminster. I think yours is the first one as it comes under Amesbury and also the Sutton Veney one is still there with a wife in 1851.
According to the 1841, Thomas's father is a coachman. I think that Hostler in 1851 could well be Ostler ie working with horses.
1841 HO107; Piece: 1186; Book: 20 Wilsford
All born in county
William Long 35 coachman
Sarah Long 40
Thomas Long 15
Caroline 13
Maria 11
John 9
Robert 7
William 5
WOW, superb, that has just opened up so many avenues to follow.
I think i'll be here a while tonight! ;)