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John Cowan Reid born 1827/28 who married Mary Anna Crawford. According to the Census return John Cowan Reid was born in Co Down but I have been unable to trace any records for him and am at a brick wall where my research is concerned. Anyone else out there who is researching this branch of the Reid Family?
Many thanks.
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Hi Jenny,
Is it possible to post some more details please?
When/where did he marry?
Did he have children?
What were their names in order of birth as this can sometimes signify parentage.
Do you have info. on Mary A & her parentage?
Can you eliminate kids named after her line?
Where was J C living on the census you found, what yr was it & who else is named with any other info.?
Annie
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Hi Annie
John C was living in 12 Orient Gardens Belfast at the time of the 1901 Census, that is where I discovered he was born in Co Down. John C (Aged 73) was a widower then. On the Census we have a Son John Crawford Reid Aged 62 ??? quite possibly transcribed wrong and should perhaps be 42?born in England. Another Son Ebenezer Martin Reid Aged 29, Born Belfast and his wife Mary Ellen Reid Aged 27 born Belfast. I know John Cowan died in 1904 aged 77 and was buried from 29 Manor Street Belfast and is buried in Belfast City Cemetery. I have details of his children and their marriages etc but in order to proceed further I need details on John Cowan Reid's parents etc. I do not know when or where he was married.
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Hi Annie
John C was living in 12 Orient Gardens Belfast at the time of the 1901 Census, that is where I discovered he was born in Co Down. John C (Aged 73) was a widower then. On the Census we have a Son John Crawford Reid Aged 62 ??? quite possibly transcribed wrong and should perhaps be 42?born in England. Another Son Ebenezer Martin Reid Aged 29, Born Belfast and his wife Mary Ellen Reid Aged 27 born Belfast. I know John Cowan died in 1904 aged 77 and was buried from 29 Manor Street Belfast and is buried in Belfast City Cemetery. I have details of his children and their marriages etc but in order to proceed further I need details on John Cowan Reid's parents etc. I do not know when or where he was married.
Hi Jenny,
To progress "we" need the info. I asked for as every clue can unravel a lot.
The info. on their children's births are vital.
I asked for the info. on the children as it could help to identify his parents names & also for other descendants who may recognise the names, pick up on the post & therefore may have info. to share?
Hi Jenny,
Did he have children?
What were their names in order of birth as this can sometimes signify parentage.
Do you have info. on Mary A & her parentage?
Can you eliminate kids named after her line?
Where & when were the children born (with names in order please)?
What was J C's occupation on each birth?
Who registered his death....a family member (child)?
What was his occupation given as?
Check out this link which may be of significance & shed some light?.....
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gpr/
As I mentioned.....eliminating children named after Mary Anna's parents can give an idea of J C's parents & it's things like this that help you to proceed but for others to help we need those details.
Those details can help significantly one way or another but records from familysearch are only a guide....you need originals with full details to proceed as they give addresses of birth & occupation.
When was the 1st child you know of born & where as this will help to establish a possible yr & place of marriage depending on his occupation?
I say this as I have a family member who travelled in his job, married in one place but kids born in other locations as well as his place of birth being 2 different places on different census records.
Annie
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With the usual health warning over accuracy, there is following online reference:
Dugald Crawford Reid was born in 1862, to John Cowan Reid and Marianna Reid (born Crawford). John was born on September 29 1827, in Co Down. Marianna was born in 1835, in England. Dugald had 4 brothers: Ebenezer Martin (Eben) Reid and 3 other siblings.
If accurate, freebmd shows a possible corroborating record under "Marriages Sep 1856", registered in Norwich registration district, volume 4b, page 195, for a John Cowan Reed and Marian Crawford. Given the particular names, worth following up.
Edited to add: In the 1861 England census, in Norwich Heigham, I can see a 32 year old John Reid, a draper and tea dealer born in Ireland, and 28 year old wife Marianna born in Norfolk, they have 2 children also born in Norfolk, 3 year old John and 1 year old Margaret. Freebmd shows a John Crawford Reid birth registered in Norwich registration district, "Births 1858", volume 4b, page 172. Also a Margaret Jane Reid birth registered in Norwich registration district, "Births Dec 1859", volume 4b, page 157.
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If accurate, freebmd shows a possible corroborating record under "Marriages Sep 1856", registered in Norwich registration district, volume 4b, page 195, for a John Cowan Reed and Marian Crawford. Given the particular names, worth following up.
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The marriage certificate should list his father's name and occupation- which may, or may not, help trace his ancestry.
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Hi Jenny, I've just seen your posting. John Cowan Reid was born in Corbally, Garvaghy to Samuel and Jane Reid. He had 2 brothers and 1 sister. Some of us are still around. hope you see this.
A Reid
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Wasn't Reid a big name in the Presbyterian church, I think in Ballynahinch?
Who were the parents of Agnes Reid? I have an Agnes Reid who in 1889 married John Harrison, at St. Andrew's Church of Ireland, Killaney Parish, Lisburn DIstrict, Co. Down, Ireland.
Thank you.
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Hi Legate,
A possible family connection...
John Cowan Reid was born in Corbally, Garvaghy to Samuel and Jane Reid. He had 2 brothers and 1 sister.
Can you please post the names/dates/places of those siblings as others researching the family may pick up on the info. which may bring some extra info.
Annie
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Apologies Annie. I was browsing through this website for the first time since 2016 and saw your request. I was told about the original post and got in touch with Jenny 57 and shared all the info that I had. It never occurred to me that others might be interested.
John Cowan Reid had at least 2 brothers and 1 sister. Samuel born on 16th May 1825, Margaret Jane born c.1830 and James Martin born c. 1832. Their parents were Samuel and Jane Reid, farming at Corbally, Garvaghy, Co Down. Samuel died in 1842 and Jane died on 29th July 1872 aged 82.
The brothers Samuel and John Cowan went to Norwich and set up business as drapers and tea dealers. Samuel married Dorothy Aitken, 20, on 11th July 1848 in the Parish Church of Heigham, Norwich. They had at least 12 children, more than 7 of whom died young. Samuel died there aged 59 in 1884 and Dorothy died aged 89 in 1915. Both of them and most of their family are buried in Rosary Cemetery, Norwich.
John Cowan married Marianna Crawford on 22nd July 1856 in St Andrew’s Parish Church, Norwich. Her father was Douglas Crawford, deceased. They had 3-4 children in Norwich, John Crawford in 1858, Margaret Jane in 1860, Dugald Crawford in 1862 and Samuel c.1864 (I can’t find his birth certificate). They then moved to Belfast 1864 - 1865 and James Porter was born on 6th March 1866, Rachel Mary on 10th August 1868, Ebenezer Martin on 13th January 1872 and Joseph on 11th April 1875. Marianna aged 62, died on 13th January 1898 and was buried in plot F12, Belfast City Cemetery with 4 of her children. John Cowan aged 77, died on 23rd September 1904 and was buried in plot O115.
James Martin inherited the family farm and married Anne Jane Mulholland from Shanrod on 26th April 1864 in Kilkinamurry Presbyterian Church, Co Down. Their 8 children were all born on the Reid family farm at Corbally. Samuel on 22nd March 1865, William James on 4th October 1866, John Andrew on 9th April 1866, Ebenezer on 8th February 1871, Robert McCheyne on 7th July 1873, George on 6th January 1875, Jane Anne on 18th April 1877 and Joseph Martin on 24th February 1879. He disappeared around 1879, leaving Anne Jane to raise 8 small children.
Margaret Jane married a widower Robert Mack, son of David Mack of Shanaghan on 16th May 1862 in Kilkinamurry Presbyterian Church. Robert had married his 1st wife, Dorothea Reid, daughter of Robert Reid, farmer of Clintagh on 20th August 1852 in Loughaghery Presbyterian Church. They had 4 children, David, Mary Ann, Isabella and Robert. Dorothea died c.1860.
Robert and Margaret Jane had 5 children, Ellen born before 1864, Dorothea Reid on 11th October 1864, Samuel on 28th September 1866, Hugh Kennedy on 12th December 1868 and Agnes on 5th
February 1872. They farmed at Mullaghdrin. Robert Mack died on 21st October 1893 aged 74 and his widow Margaret Jane died on 12th November 1900 aged 70, both at Mullaghdrin. Robert’s will is online at proni.
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Typo! John Andrew Reid was born on 9th April 1868 - not 1866
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Robert Mack died on 21st October 1893 aged 74 and his widow Margaret Jane died on 12th November 1900 aged 70, both at Mullaghdrin. Robert’s will is online at proni.
PRONI Will Calendars- https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx
Full Abstract :
The Will of Robert Mack late of Mulloughdrin County Down Farmer who died 21 October 1893 at same place was proved at Belfast by Margaret Jane Mack Widow and Samuel Mack Farmer both of Mulloughdrin the Executors.
Image available.
Mullaghdrin townland
https://www.townlands.ie/down/iveagh-lower-lower-half/dromara/dromara/mullaghdrin/
1901 census
Residents of a house 10 in Mullaghdrin (Dromara, Down)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Dromara/Mullaghdrin/247083/
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Robert and Margaret Jane had 5 children, Ellen born before 1864, Dorothea Reid on 11th October 1864, Samuel on 28th September 1866, Hugh Kennedy on 12th December 1868 and Agnes on 5th
February 1872. They farmed at Mullaghdrin.
Dorothea Reid Mack born at Shannaghan in Banbridge SRD.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03598/2326920.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/down/iveagh-upper-lower-half/drumgooland/balloolymore/shannaghan/
The others born at Mullaghdrin, Lisburn SRD.
KG
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.....Ebenezer on 8th February 1871, ....., ....., Jane Anne on 18th April 1877 and Joseph Martin on 24th February 1879.
Jane Ann Ann Jane with three of her children in 1901 census.
Residents of a house 6 in Shanroll (Balloolymore, Down).....mistranscribed, should be Shanrod.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Balloolymore/Shanroll/1201603/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000696027/
Shanrod townland
https://www.townlands.ie/down/iveagh-upper-lower-half/garvaghy/balloolymore/shanrod/
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Jane Ann with three of her children in 1901 census.
Residents of a house 6 in Shanroll (Balloolymore, Down).....mistranscribed, should be Shanrod.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Balloolymore/Shanroll/1201603/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000696027/
1911 census at Shanrod.
Ebenezer Reid with his wife and daughter.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Balloolymore/Shanrod/205471/
Marriage 1905 of Ebenezer Reid to Jane Eliza Hamilton.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1905/10180/5703835.pdf
Children: Sarah Annie 1906, Mary Agnes 1913
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qin/
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Ann Jane with three of her children in 1901 census.
Residents of a house 6 in Shanroll (Balloolymore, Down).....mistranscribed, should be Shanrod.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Balloolymore/Shanroll/1201603/
Jane Ann Reid married James Reid Bailie on 2nd September 1903.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1903/10241/5727417.pdf
Ebenezer Reid was one of the witnesses.
1911 census
Residents of a house 8 in Creevyargon (Kilmore, Down).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Kilmore/Creevyargon/234832/
Creevyargon townland
https://www.townlands.ie/down/castlereagh-upper/kilmore/kilmore/creevyargon/
KG
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Ann Jane with three of her children in 1901 census.
Residents of a house 6 in Shanroll (Balloolymore, Down).....mistranscribed, should be Shanrod.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Balloolymore/Shanroll/1201603/
Jane Ann Reid married James Reid Bailie on 2nd September 1903.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1903/10241/5727417.pdf
Ebenezer Reid was one of the witnesses.
1911 census
Residents of a house 8 in Creevyargon (Kilmore, Down).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Kilmore/Creevyargon/234832/
Creevyargon townland
https://www.townlands.ie/down/castlereagh-upper/kilmore/kilmore/creevyargon/
Seven children born up to 1916-
Mary 1905, Annie Jane 1906, William James 1908, Elizabeth Georgina 1909, Robert McCheyne 1911, Margaret Isobel 1913, Martin Reid 1916.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qip/
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Joseph Martin Reid married Maggie Russell on 5th December 1905 in Magherally Presbyterian Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10112/5679235.pdf
One son born in 1907 at Corbally townland....James Walter Reid
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01701/1674576.pdf
James Walter staying with his grandmother, aunts and uncles in the 1911 census in Magherally townland.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Magherally/Magherally/212601/
https://www.townlands.ie/down/iveagh-lower-lower-half/magherally/magherally/magherally/
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PRONI Will Calendars - https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx
Full Abstract :
Probate of the Will of Anne Jane Reid late of Shanrod County Down Widow who died 10 July 1909 granted at Belfast to Ebenezer Reid and James Hamilton Farmers. Effects £482 10s. 0d.
Image
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearchImage.aspx?id=260329
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From PRONI Will Calendars-
Full Abstract :
Reid Ebenezer of Clintagh Ballynahinch county Down farmer died 3 December 1946 Probate Belfast 13 January to Mary Agnes Reid public elementary teacher and William Hamilton farmer. Effects £429.
PRONI- https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
D/1946/139/1018/13/398 Ebenezer Reid 3rd December 1946 75 Male Lisburn
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Magherally/Magherally/212601/
GRONI https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
Death
Margaret Russell 30th March 1930 84 Female Banbridge
From PRONI Will Calendars https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx
Full Abstract :
Russell Margaret of Magherally Banbridge county Down widow died 29 March 1930 Administration Belfast 12 May to James Russell farmer. Effects £385 18s. 9d.
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From GRONI-
James Russell 28th October 1962 90 Male Banbridge
Full Abstract :
Russell, James of Magherally Banbridge county Down farmer died 28 October 1962 Probate Belfast 6 May to Walter Reid and John Montgomery farmers. Effects £9992 8s.
Edited to Add:
Sarah Russell married John Montgomery in 1916.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1916/09791/5554449.pdf
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Thank you for all the information.
I am not sure this is the same family after all. Joseph lists his father as a labourer on the marriage record. But I will leave it here incase someone else needs this information.
I have Joseph Reid (1875) married to Doretha McCann (1879 circa) Belfast they married on July 4 1898 and had the following children.
Joseph Reid Apr 29 1899
John Thomas Reid
Oct 25 1902
Jane Caroline, Carlisle Evelyn Thompson Reid (MORRISON) Jan 24 1904-Dec 25 1950
(my grandmother on the paternal side)
Minnie Reid
May 4 1907
Frank Reid
Oct 23 1908
unknown Reid M
June 17 1912
Agnes Reid
Jan 22 1915
Elizabeth Reid
Feb 9 1920
Birth of daughter
Annie Reid
Dec 6 1921
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Jane Caroline, Carlisle Evelyn Thompson Reid (MORRISON) Jan 21 1904-Dec 25 1950
(my grandmother on the paternal side)
Birth record has Jane born on 24 January 1904 at 65 Eureka Street. The informant was her mother Dorothea.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01842/1718710.pdf
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Here's another one-
Ellen Reid
18th April 1917 at 97 Hunter Street.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1917/01314/1543274.pdf
KG
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Thanks for that probably a typo on my part.