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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: Connie Sparrow on Saturday 19 December 15 17:50 GMT (UK)
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I have no where to post this one!
Both my father (b 1928) and his sister (b 1932) have died. My father died long enough ago that he should be in the 1939 National Register but he's not. His sister died 2011.
Yes, I know I could produce the death certs and ask FindMyPast to arrange the release of both but neither of them were at home. FindMyPast will only check for the expected home address, no other. IF they had been they would have shown up as "two more officially closed". Only my grandparents are listed.
I have no idea where my aunt was but my father may already have been sent to relatives. I know he was evacuated to Bridgwater, Somerset.
Does anyone know if there is anyway of finding out the families evacuees went to?
If there isn't a way, I'll have to wait until 2029 and 2033 to find the answer.
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You could always make a FoI request via the National Archives, other than his names and sex, they only require the County he would be in at the time the 39 register was taken rather than the full address plus the proof of death & fee.
Cheers
Guy
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You could always make a FoI request via the National Archives, other than his names and sex, they only require the County he would be in at the time the 39 register was taken rather than the full address plus the proof of death & fee.
Thank you for your reply.
Unfortunately I don't know where he was. I know he was in Somerset but not the date he was sent there. He had family in London, Hertfordshire and Buckinghamshire.
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You say they are not in the register but it's not possible to determine that with certainty. The most likely possibility is that the name is mis-spelt. If you know the date of birth, just search on that along with first name or maybe birthplace. There will be lots of possibles to search through but the correct one may well jump out at you with a mangled surname. The next likelihood is that their death wasn't recorded in the register, as you say you'd have to wait until their 100th birthday to find them then.
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You say they are not in the register but it's not possible to determine that with certainty. The most likely possibility is that the name is mis-spelt. If you know the date of birth, just search on that along with first name or maybe birthplace. There will be lots of possibles to search through but the correct one may well jump out at you with a mangled surname. The next likelihood is that their death wasn't recorded in the register, as you say you'd have to wait until their 100th birthday to find them then.
Thank you for your reply.
Both my father and his sister will be in the National Register somewhere
Searching on the DoB produces no results because they were both born less than 100 years ago so the records are officially sealed. Searching on given name but no surname produces no results for the same reason. If the surname has been mis-spelled, I've no way of knowing which of the 22 alternatives has been used or if a new one has been created.
My father should be included because he died well before the cut off date. His sister died recently so she won't be there. She also married. I tried her under both her maiden and married names. Again, no results.
I suspect that if I find one, I'll find both.
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Under the previous system the 1939 Register Team of The Health and Social Care Information Centre would likely have found them with name and date of birth. The HSCIC service was discontinued because FindMyPast were supposed to take over that role. I got my uncle's record from HSCIC I knew he was an evacuee in Wales but didn't know where exactly. Name and date of birth was enough to find him. Incidently his record is still closed on FindMyPast's 1939 Register.
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What dates did they die? It seems that Findmypast have started matching up records from the 1939 register with the death index (which goes up to 2007), so if your father and aunt died before 2007 there's a chance that their records have been opened since you last searched, or will be opened soon.
Your aunt should appear with her maiden name in brackets after her married name, and searching for either surname should work (provided her record isn't still closed).
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The Register will only show those people who have died, where the death was notified to the people running the Register (until 1991).
Apparently some deaths weren't notified?
Hospital deaths may have been lost "in the system"?
Some doctors, not wishing to lose their Government grants, "forgot" to notify some deaths?!
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The Register will only show those people who have died, where the death was notified to the people running the Register (until 1991).
I wonder why my mother's record is open.......she died in 2002!
Nanny Jan
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I wonder why my mother's record is open.......she died in 2002!
Nanny Jan
I think they've been opening some more recently by matching them up with the death index. My grandmother (1927-2000) has appeared in the last couple of weeks.
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I found mum with her parents on the day the register went on line.
I also sent a proof of death (another line)......the wrong record was opened and I am still waiting for the correct one. How did they confuse a death cert for a male for his sister, who is still living! ::)
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What dates did they die? It seems that Findmypast have started matching up records from the 1939 register with the death index (which goes up to 2007), so if your father and aunt died before 2007 there's a chance that their records have been opened since you last searched, or will be opened soon.
FindMyPast claims to have deaths up to 2007, but I have not found this to be the case. My uncle died in Jan 2007 and my father in March 2007 and neither are listed on FindMyPast death index so neither have been opened on the 1939 register.
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What dates did they die? It seems that Findmypast have started matching up records from the 1939 register with the death index (which goes up to 2007), so if your father and aunt died before 2007 there's a chance that their records have been opened since you last searched, or will be opened soon.
FindMyPast claims to have deaths up to 2007, but I have not found this to be the case. My uncle died in Jan 2007 and my father in March 2007 and neither are listed on FindMyPast death index so neither have been opened on the 1939 register.
They "may" have a magnetic tape or a disc with them all listed on? But they "may" not have processed it yet, possibly?
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FindMyPast claims to have deaths up to 2007, but I have not found this to be the case. My uncle died in Jan 2007 and my father in March 2007 and neither are listed on FindMyPast death index so neither have been opened on the 1939 register.
I didn't know that... they used to have deaths up to 2006, and the 2007 deaths were added later, I just assumed they were complete!
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I have just checked Ancestry and they have both of them listed, so they are really up to date to 2007.
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Under the previous system the 1939 Register Team of The Health and Social Care Information Centre would likely have found them with name and date of birth. The HSCIC service was discontinued because FindMyPast were supposed to take over that role. I got my uncle's record from HSCIC I knew he was an evacuee in Wales but didn't know where exactly. Name and date of birth was enough to find him. Incidently his record is still closed on FindMyPast's 1939 Register.
The HSCIC was where I got the information from in the first place and there was no charge then either! I gave his name and DOB and provided proof of my father's death but they didn't send anything, maybe because he'd already been evacuated. I knew he had been but didn't mention it as I wasn't aware at the time he might have already been sent to Bridgwater.
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What dates did they die? It seems that Findmypast have started matching up records from the 1939 register with the death index (which goes up to 2007), so if your father and aunt died before 2007 there's a chance that their records have been opened since you last searched, or will be opened soon.
Your aunt should appear with her maiden name in brackets after her married name, and searching for either surname should work (provided her record isn't still closed).
My father died in 1978. He wasn't on FindMyPast's 1939 Register when I last looked on 30 Dec. I found his sister's death via the Probate Service because it's so recent, 2011.
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The Register will only show those people who have died, where the death was notified to the people running the Register (until 1991).
Apparently some deaths weren't notified?
Hospital deaths may have been lost "in the system"?
Some doctors, not wishing to lose their Government grants, "forgot" to notify some deaths?!
That is positively depressing :'(
He did die in hospital. I have his death cert so he shouldn't have been lost in the system but he was in the Royal Northern, which didn't have a good rep at the time. It just happened to be the nearest hospital at the time
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They "may" have a magnetic tape or a disc with them all listed on? But they "may" not have processed it yet, possibly?
The GRO aren't selling copies any longer, whether that is only to commercial enterprises or not I don't know. More recent events are available but only on fiche and only at five places in England and Wales.
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They "may" have a magnetic tape or a disc with them all listed on? But they "may" not have processed it yet, possibly?
The GRO aren't selling copies any longer, whether that is only to commercial enterprises or not I don't know. More recent events are available but only on fiche and only at five places in England and Wales.
But 2007 deaths should be available on FindMyPast according to their website. Anything later than that is only available at 5 places.
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My father died in 1978. He wasn't on FindMyPast's 1939 Register when I last looked on 30 Dec. I found his sister's death via the Probate Service because it's so recent, 2011.
Well, that's interesting!! FindMyPast have my father's DoB wrong by 20 years in their version of the GRO index! No wonder his 1939 record isn't being released! They can't and won't be able to match the two events. FreeBMD haven't got that far yet. Ancestry, however, have it correct.
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But 2007 deaths should be available on FindMyPast according to their website. Anything later than that is only available at 5 places.
TBH, I despair of FindMyPast. See my post made 15.42.
I've just checked The Genealogist and they have my father's year of birth correct too.
I've done a check on Ancestry using a couple of common names. They have deaths Jan-March and a couple in April but nothing later than that.