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I am trying to find who was living at this property in the 1911 Census and again in 1926
Many Thanks
Harleyqueen
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Please accept my apologies, I do have access to Ancestry but am unsure how to trace an address could you please advise.
Kind regards
Harleyqueen
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Hi it may be wiser to explain why this address is important to you?
Keyboard86
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http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=2352
In field "Lived In" Input Lancashire
Scroll down to Street Address and put in Clifton Street Manchester (no number) and you will then have to look at each entry for number 95
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If you subscribe to Ancestry you can put the full address in the 1911 England Census Summary Books
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gpd/
Stan
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Many thanks for the helpful replies,
I will put further information on in the next day or so.
kind regards
Harleyqueen
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Hi it may be wiser to explain why this address is important to you?
Keyboard86
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Alexander Douglas Parker was born 1901 in Liverpool I have him on the 1911 census with his parents and brother Leslie Stanley Humphrey Parker born 1909
His mother Lavinia died in 1918 in Liverpool
As their father was a seaman Alexander and Douglas were brought up by an Aunt called Queen or Queenie
( This is what Leslie S H Parker told his children)
We have no idea who this lady is but know it was in the Salford area as one of Leslie's
children can recall visiting Aunt Queen and her daughter Young Queenie probably in the 60's in Salford
Alexander married Edith Skellon in 1926 at St Georges Hulme and gave 95 Clifton Street as his address on marriage certificate.
Leslie was a witness on the wedding certificate so I know they were in contact with each other at that time.
Leslie told his children he was an orphan ( but his father never died until 1931)
I am hoping at the time of his marriage Alexander was still living with the Aunt and that may help me identify her.
Leslie's family were unaware of Alexander despite living in the same area Salford all their lives so obviously they were estranged.
Any help or advice appreciated
Kind regards
Harleyqueen
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Hi
Would it be better to research his parents families to see if either had a sibling called Queenie or a name that could have been "corrupted" to Queenie (see link below)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=225805.0
The marriage is on www.lancashirebmd in 1898 - Thomas Douglas Parker to Levina Florence Higginson although freebmd also shows her christian name as Livinia
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Hi
Would it be better to research his parents families to see if either had a sibling called Queenie or a name that could have been "corrupted" to Queenie (see link below)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=225805.0
The marriage is on www.lancashirebmd in 1898 - Thomas Douglas Parker to Levina Florence Higginson although freebmd also shows her christian name as Livinia
Hi
Thank you I do have the marriage of the parents,
Their father had no sisters only a half brother
Their mother Lavinia had several sisters ( I think it was four) but none with the name Queenie I accept it was probably a term of endearment and her daughter was called Young Queenie !!!
I looked at Manchester Baptisms for girls called Queenie hoping to find a Salford connection and found lots and lots so could not narrow it down by that.
I am wondering if any street directories for Manchester 1926 might show who lived in 95 Clifton Street I will contact the Manchester Records Office in the New Year.
kind regards
Harleyqueen
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I think Lavina/Livinia knocked 5yrs off her age
You have her sister in the 1911 census - here's the 1891 entry. If you check freebmd her middle name was Eliza
James Higginson 45
Annie 33
Livinea E 18
Edith Leah 11
RG12 Piece 2976 Folio 70 Page 42
Births June qtr 1872
Lavinia Eliza Higginson West Derby 8b 513
Births June qtr 1880
Edith Leah Higginson West Derby 8b 634
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Could "Queenie" be the wife of one of Lavina's brothers? 1881 entry shows Harry b 1867 and Stanley b 1871
However - no Lavina in entry but there is a 3yr old May and a 1yr old Edith
RG11 Piece 3681 Folio 50 Page 12
I think May was Ruth May H b 1877
EDIT - mum Ida died in June qtr 1880 aged 34. Edith was b June qtr 1880
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Could "Queenie" be the wife of one of Lavina's brothers? 1881 entry shows Harry b 1867 and Stanley b 1871
However - no Lavina in entry but there is a 3yr old May and a 1yr old Edith
RG11 Piece 3681 Folio 50 Page 12
I think May was Ruth May H b 1877
EDIT - mum Ida died in June qtr 1880 aged 34. Edith was b June qtr 1880
Harry died 1907 Liverpool
Stanley 1916 Liverpool
Cannot find a marriage for either of them
I have the baptism of 5 of the children on the same day June 29th 1880 St Margarets Anfield
Stanley
Ida M who died 1890
Lily Maud
May
Edith Leah
The mother was Ida who as you say died 1880 so I presume Annie was a step mother if indeed they married
Thanks
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Hi harleyqueen
Just been having a little look at a couple of things for you. I'd put money on 'Queenie' being the Liverpool term of endearment (a bit like the northern expression 'our kid' being used when someone speaks about their brother) and not the Auntie's real name. I know the name Queenie can be a proper name but in this instance, mmm...I don't think so.
I think Queenie could be the sister that lived with the family in 1911- Edith Higginson. I've looked up a marriage and found one in Salford in 1913 and there is an Edith Higginson marrying a James Shaylor. They appear in 1939 living in Urmston and strangely enough Alexander & his wife Edith also live in Urmston.
Can I just clarify where 95 Clifton Street was? Salford, Manchester, Barton on Irwell?
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Hi harleyqueen
Just been having a little look at a couple of things for you. I'd put money on 'Queenie' being the Liverpool term of endearment (a bit like the northern expression 'our kid' being used when someone speaks about their brother) and not the Auntie's real name. I know the name Queenie can be a proper name but in this instance, mmm...I don't think so.
I think Queenie could be the sister that lived with the family in 1911- Edith Higginson. I've looked up a marriage and found one in Salford in 1913 and there is an Edith Higginson marrying a James Shaylor. They appear in 1939 living in Urmston and strangely enough Alexander & his wife Edith also live in Urmston.
Can I just clarify where 95 Clifton Street was? Salford, Manchester, Barton on Irwell?
Thank you for the reply
I got the address from the marriage certificate of Alexander & Edith they got married at St Georges Hulme Manchester so I do not know if its Salford , Manchester , or Barton on Irwell
Leslie Stanley Humphrey Parker spent his life in Salford
The marriage you found sounds promising, Just looked on line and Urmston appears to be about 8 miles from Salford
I also think Queenie is a term of endearment rather than a given name but who knows ???
Many thanks for your help
Kind regards
Harleyqueen
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Hi harleyqueen
Yes, Urmston is v. close. However, there seem to be more than one Clifton Street in and around Manchester, Salford & Stretford - Leave it with me
CD
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I have a Queenie born in 1915 in my tree?
I tried a search on FreeBMD?
There were 6271 Queenie registrations between 1906 and 1916 - so quite a popular name.
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Hi harleyqueen,
Okay, not great news. I've had a look for 95 Clifton Street, Manchester on the ER's at Central. There are three Clifton Street's in Manchester: - Municipal Wards within Withington, Crumpsall and Miles Platting. Crumpsall & Miles Platting are in North Manchester so I did not check them, but that is not to say he did not live in North Manchester. The house numbers on Clifton Street in Withington did not go as high as # 95. Sorry. My feeling is that he must have been living at a Clifton Street in Salford. For these ER's you would need to check with Salford Local Studies Library they are not kept at Central. If you were planning to visit you have to book an appointment as they are only open something like 1 day a week due to staff shortages.
Looking at the 1939 Register index - Alexander Douglas is in Urmston in 1939 and Leslie SH is in Stretford. Both these are South Manchester. So I guess this Queenie must have lived locally ?
Also, I have revisited the information to do with the Auntie, Edith LEAH Higginson. The marriage I found for an Edith Higginson and James Shaylor is not correct. That Edith is more than likely Edith EMILY Higginson b. 1887 Barton on Irwell (which is Salford). Shaylor & Higginson only seem to have one son: William. So this definitely doesn't match your information.
However, there is a marriage in 1911 for an Edith L Higginson and a William Smith (sorry about than :( ) West Derby, Register office or Registrar attended so that cert. might be worth buying. Trouble is looking for any children for this couple is tricky partly because of the Smith name and partly because I am not sure (if or when) they left West Derby for the Salford/Manchester area.
I would just like to suggest however, the following: I have just looked at the marriage certificate for Alexander Parker and Edith Skellon. (Note the church although in Manchester is on the boarder with Salford) I notice that Edith says she lived at LORN St. I've looked this up on a map and there is a LORNE Street in Salford and nearby is a CLIFFORD St. So I wonder when you get a chance to check the ER's for Salford if you might need to consider also looking for Clifford Street as well as a Clifton Street? I can't find a Clifton Street in Salford on a modern map but that's not to say there wasn't one in 1926!
So sadly we are still left with your original problem of who was Queenie! Sorry my search was not fruitful!
Kind regards,
CD
PS - I've done a search on the 1939 register (just for the heck of it) for a Queenie in Salford! There are 9. The oldest dob is 1904 the youngest is 1917. None are the right age for your 'Queenie'.
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Hi harleyqueen,
Okay, not great news. I've had a look for 95 Clifton Street, Manchester on the ER's at Central. There are three Clifton Street's in Manchester: - Municipal Wards within Withington, Crumpsall and Miles Platting. Crumpsall & Miles Platting are in North Manchester so I did not check them, but that is not to say he did not live in North Manchester. The house numbers on Clifton Street in Withington did not go as high as # 95. Sorry. My feeling is that he must have been living at a Clifton Street in Salford. For these ER's you would need to check with Salford Local Studies Library they are not kept at Central. If you were planning to visit you have to book an appointment as they are only open something like 1 day a week due to staff shortages.
Looking at the 1939 Register index - Alexander Douglas is in Urmston in 1939 and Leslie SH is in Stretford. Both these are South Manchester. So I guess this Queenie must have lived locally ?
Also, I have revisited the information to do with the Auntie, Edith LEAH Higginson. The marriage I found for an Edith Higginson and James Shaylor is not correct. That Edith is more than likely Edith EMILY Higginson b. 1887 Barton on Irwell (which is Salford). Shaylor & Higginson only seem to have one son: William. So this definitely doesn't match your information.
However, there is a marriage in 1911 for an Edith L Higginson and a William Smith (sorry about than :( ) West Derby, Register office or Registrar attended so that cert. might be worth buying. Trouble is looking for any children for this couple is tricky partly because of the Smith name and partly because I am not sure (if or when) they left West Derby for the Salford/Manchester area.
I would just like to suggest however, the following: I have just looked at the marriage certificate for Alexander Parker and Edith Skellon. (Note the church although in Manchester is on the boarder with Salford) I notice that Edith says she lived at LORN St. I've looked this up on a map and there is a LORNE Street in Salford and nearby is a CLIFFORD St. So I wonder when you get a chance to check the ER's for Salford if you might need to consider also looking for Clifford Street as well as a Clifton Street? I can't find a Clifton Street in Salford on a modern map but that's not to say there wasn't one in 1926!
So sadly we are still left with your original problem of who was Queenie! Sorry my search was not fruitful!
Kind regards,
CD
PS - I've done a search on the 1939 register (just for the heck of it) for a Queenie in Salford! There are 9. The oldest dob is 1904 the youngest is 1917. None are the right age for your 'Queenie'.
Hi California dreamin
What can I say " Thank you so much " for the information and guidance on how to proceed.
The advice re the information on the marriage certificate could be very helpful so I shall make an appointment to go to Salford.
The grandson of Lavinia went to Salford a few weeks ago to check something on another family member and he was told that not many records were available as they had a fire a fire several years ago and lots of items were lost, so here's hoping the 1926 Electoral lists survived.
I shall pass this information on to the grandson of Lavinia who I am sure will be grateful for all your hard work and effort
My sincere thanks for all your help
kind Regards
Harleyqueen
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Hi harleyqueen,
No problem. Why don't you email them and ask if the have the ER's for 1926? I'm only presupposing that the Clifton Street mentioned on the marriage certificate was in Salford. If you find out there wasn't one, definitely look up 95 Clifford Street just in case.
http://www.salfordcommunityleisure.co.uk/culture/salford-museum-and-art-gallery/local-history
I know they are v. short staffed. In fact I think they just have one person now, but maybe they'll do a look up for you? It never hurts to ask :)
Kind regards
CD
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Hi California Dreamin
Thanks for the reply,
I never thought of emailing them, I will get that done and if they are unable to do a look up will make an appointment for the New Year,
many thanks
Harleyqueen
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Hi, I have read through this interesting thread - did you know there is a Manchester/Salford directory for 1929 on Ancestry?
It only has three entries for Clifton St in Salford (45,47 and 2) but there is also a Clifton St in Stretford which would probably be the nearest Clifton St to St George's Church in Hulme.
There is a William Smith listed at 95 Clifton St in 1929 - could he be the same one that married Edith Higginson in 1911? As has been said, hard to be sure with a name like Smith!
I'm not sure where electoral rolls for Stretford in the 1920s would be, if not in Manchester - Trafford local studies maybe?
:) Barbara
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Hi Barbara
I did not know that a Manchester/Salford Directory was available on Ancestry thank you for the information.
The information on Clifton Street Stretford sounds promising.
I will be going to Salford to check electoral registers early January so fingers crossed we find a connection.
Sincere thanks for your help
Kind regards
Harleyqueen