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Research in Other Countries => South Africa => Topic started by: hms racker on Thursday 17 December 15 11:35 GMT (UK)
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Hello
Looking for info about Amelia White who died and in June 1884. She was in her 79th year according to newspaper report.
Her husband John George White lived on and probably died in same place - but when? Any assistance appreciated.
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There are numerous John George White's at the archives :(
Could his dad/brother perhaps have been Robert James? If so, there was a business called R. White & Sons operating somewhere in the Cape during 1904 when they sued someone.
Which newspaper did the report come from?
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Hi
My friend found on the EGGSA website.
John George was born in 1805 so he probably died shortly after 1884. They came from Cheshire and Liverpool.
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Queenstown free press
Their son in law was Rev Charles Frederick Patten from mission station at Bolotwa
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After I sent the previous post I decided to explore it further and found the newspaper cutting. I then went back to the archives and have found three possible John's who died in 1892, 1901 and 1902. Unfortunately only marriages are on line for St. John's Baptist Church of England, Tembu Location.
I also found a link to a site which gives two children born to Amelia and John - Isabel Maude and Kathleen - however neither of these was married to Charles! The newspaper reports seem to indicate that they lived at the mission so logic says that John probably remained there after she died, but logic and what actually happened are often two totally different things!
This obviously requires some more searching ::)
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Thank you
the death in 192 could well be him.
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Here are the details of his death notice. Unfortunately as it is at the Cape Archives it cannot be ordered through eggsa. If you send me a pm with your email I shall send you the order form and the email address of the gentleman who works at the Archives.
DEPOT KAB
SOURCE MOOC
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 6/9/306
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 1625
PART 1
DESCRIPTION WHITE, JOHN GEORGE. DEATH NOTICE.
STARTING 18920000
ENDING 18920000
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Hi
Amelia and John George's daughter was Louisa - she married Mr Patten. Her duaghter married someone called Cassidy - the place Bethel is mentioned in a letter.
John George was a shipbroker/merchant in Liverpool. This might help identify hin in 1892?
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Neither of those names were mentioned on the site I found. Bethel is just outside Stutterheim which is about 110km from Queenstown.
Unfortunately I cannot find his death notice on line so it will have to be ordered from the archives.
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Hi Nookie
Is there a charge?
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The last time I ordered it was R0-80 per page and something for postage. I know that they now email them if you ask nicely.
I am not sure what currency you work in, but R0-80 would not buy a box of matches here, so it is really cheap :)
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Have sent a PM
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Hi Nookie
Fiund this - any idea where burial could be?
Death
PATTEN.- Died on t he 2nd May, Mrs. L. PATTEN, at the age of 88 years, widow of the late Rev. C.F. PATTEN, Queenstown, at the residence of her daughter Mrs. CASSIDY, Bethal, Transvaal.
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That Bethal is in the old Transvaal (now Mpumalanga) and is about 200km from Pretoria. I have not found a gravestone for her, but possibly she was buried on a farm as it looks like her son-in-law was a farmer. Here is his estate file - showing the full names of their daughter.
DEPOT TAB
SOURCE MHG
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 0
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 7956
PART 1
DESCRIPTION CASSIDY, HARRY EWART.
STARTING 19060000
ENDING 19060000
REMARKS SURVIVING SPOUSE KATE MARION LOUISE (BORN PATTEN).
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Here is Kate's estate file. She died in Natal in 1922. Very interestingly her estate took 41 years to finalize!
DEPOT NAB
SOURCE MSCE
TYPE LEER
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 867/1963
PART 1
DESCRIPTION CASSIDY, KATE MARIAN LOUISE. (BORN PATTEN). BORN IN BOLOTWA,
QUEENSTOWN, CAPE PROVINCE. PRSP HEWERT CASSIDY. NO TRACE - DIED IN
1905. DECEASED ESTATE.
STARTING 19220000
ENDING 19630000
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That would be an interesting file to see!!!
My dad left his estate to us kids with the proviso that my mum had use of it (mainly the house which was paid for and interest bearing investments) until she passed then the estate could be wound up and divided. Perhaps it was something along those lines.
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Very interesting thank you.
Chales Frederick Patten the reverend at St Johns mission Bolotwa died 1917/18 we think in South Africa. But we gavent found anything for him or his life at the Mission.
Coming back to Mr Cassidt eyc - why would his file etc be worth getting - maybe I am missing something here,
thanks again
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No just curiosity really, normally an estate can take up to two years, but this one was only finalised some 40 years after his death, would be interesting to see if it was some condition of the will, or were there dissent amongst the heirs for instance :) :)
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The only real reason for getting his file is to see whether they had children as they would be the White's g/grand children.
Regarding the long time for the estate to be finalized there is a site which states in the little bit that comes up that there was a question of scrip being sold by Kate. However it just will not down load. You will find it by googling her full name. Maybe you would have better luck.
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Thank you both - all clear now.
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Hi again
Re Rev Charles Frederick Patten at Bolotwa. I was trying to find my source for his death around 1918. But can't re-find it. This what happens when you don't write things down at the time!
Can anyone help?
Also does anyone know if there are burial records for the cemetery at StJohns mission Bolotwa? I suspect that is where Amelia died 1884 is buried.
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Cannot off-hand find the information on Rev Patten, but have sent you a pm showing you what I have managed to find on John!
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many thanks - sent you a PM
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Hi Nookie
I am looking for a copy of the death record for John George White died May 1892. Can you help?
many thanks
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I have sent you a pm. :)
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Hi
Louisa Patten ms White died in 1929 at the home of her daughter Mrs Cassidy in Bethel. Would there be a death cert for Louisa somewhere and of course a record of the daughters marriage to Mr Cassidy? :)