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Please can you find John GARRETT, born about 1782, probably Chesham.
His wife and daughters are in Chesham in 1851, but he apparently is not. May be in Amersham, where he had business interests.
Was a Tanner until at least 1842. Described as a Gentleman in various references 1847 - 1863.
Many thanks.
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There is no-one of that name on the 1851 census for Buckinghamshire near that age - the nearest John Garrett (Garritt/ Garret/ Garrott) in age, was 38. Are you sure your John Garrett was still alive in 1851. Census enumerators have been known to make errors and record widows as wives.
Regards
Valda
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Thank you very much Valda.
He is listed in several trade directories post 1851, so he must have been out-of-county at the time of the census.
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Depending on the date of trade directories, there was a delay from when the information for the trade directory was collected to when the trade directory was published which would allow for out of date entries to remain.
On a more modern day comparison, after my father died my mother never changed the telephone directory entry. It remained in his name until she died.
Regards
Valda
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Good point Valda.
Directories show him in 1852 and 1863 - though you can never be 100% sure it is the same person.
The Ancestry.co.uk 1861 index also seems to show him. I hope to be able to check this out next weekend.
Martin
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1861 RG9 845 folio 25 Germain Street Chesham Buckinghamshire
John Garrett 78 Chesham, Buckinghamshire, Head Widower Gent
Mary Pegg 28 Chesham, Buckinghamshire, Daughter Widow
John W J Pegg 7 Stepney Green, Middlesex, Son
Caroline Cardwell 27 Aldbury, Hertfordshire, General Servant Unmarried
Marriages Sep 1852
GARRETT Mary Amersham 3a 444
Pegg George Ward Amersham 3a 444
George was also not in Buckinghamshire on the 1851 census.
Births Sep 1853
PEGG John William Garrett Stepney 1c 483
1871 census RG10 1393 folio 27 Germain Street Chesham Buckinghamshire
Mary Pegg 48 Chesham, Buckinghamshire, Head Widow Landowner
John W G Pegg 17 Stepney, Middlesex, Son Unmarried
Ann Spencer 53 Little Missenden, Buckinghamshire, Cook Domestic Servant Unmarried
Jane Barmes 27 Chesham, Buckinghamshire, Servant Housemaid Unmarried
Regards
Valda
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I would also check out the surnames Pegg in Chesham and John Garrett on the A2A website where record offices are using lottery money to index some of their holdings. The Centre for Buckinghamshire Studies holds quite a few records - mostly mortgages but Hertfordshire Record Office holds these documents
ASHRIDGE II COLLECTION
Catalogue Ref. AH 1-AH 2821
Creator(s):
Egerton family, Earls of Bridgewater
Cust family, Barons Brownlow
Sunnyside (Northchurch)
FILE - Copy of Court Roll: Halimote of Northchurch. - ref. AH 83 - date: 15th October 1781
Admittance of John Garrett of Chesham, Bucks., on death of mother, nee Sarah Foster.
FILE - Copy of Court Roll: Halimote of Northchurch, Honour of Berkhamsted. - ref. AH 93 - date: 18th October 1799
Admittance of William Garrett on death of father, John Garrett.
FILE - Copy of court Roll: Halimote of Northchurch, Honour of Berkhamsted. - ref. AH 135 - date: 25th October 1858
Admittance of John Garrett of Chesham, esq., on death of brother William Garrett. Close called Shaurlings, 7a., abutting West on Gregory's Lane, North, East, and South on lands late Gregory now Darvill.
FILE - Covenant to surrender. - ref. AH 138 - date: 13th August 1860
Garrett of Chesham, esq., to Rt. Hon. Edw. James, Earl of Powis; Rt. Hon. James Walter, Earl of Verulam, and Rt. Hon. William Tatton, Baron Egerton.
Signature - John Garrett
Plus the National Archives holds two Garret PCC wills from Chesham
Will of Timothy Garrett, Gentleman of Chesham, Buckinghamshire 05 September 1749 PROB 11/773
Will of Edward Garrett, Gentleman of Chesham , Buckinghamshire 23 September 1819 PROB 11/1620
Regards
Valda
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Valda,
Thank you very much for all the information and advice. Whilst I had come across some of the data, there is also some that is new to me.
John William Garrett Pegg inherited much of John Garrett's wealth. He later changed his name to J W Garrett-Pegge, bought property from the Duke of Bedford and took himself up in the world. His family still live in John Garrett's house in Chesham. Garrett's Close in Chesham is said to be named after the family.
I'm trying to find the apparent link between this family and the Garretts of Hudnall/Little Gaddesden. No doubt a visit to The Centre for Buckinghamshire Studies will prove helpful, when I can arrange that.
mkt
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this is VERY late I know, I came across this regarding the Garrett Pegges. The Pegges were descended from the Pegges of Shirley Derbyshire via Melbourne Derbyshire and that the Garretts were in fact Newells from Hadnall, in the parish of Edlesborough, Bucks, in 1487.
Found in;
Bernard Burke.
A genealogical and heraldic history of the landed gentry of Great Britain & Ireland (Volume 2)
six years late but never mind...................
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Many thanks Pegasus.
Since family history research is a continuous occupation it is never too late to receive information.
Although I have searched some similar publications I had not seen this one. I have only got the PEGG line back to 1736, so this takes me back another 4 generations.
I have the NEWELL line back to about 1510, with sone earlier references. Unfortunately the present descendants of John William GARRETT-PEGGE do not know anything about the family records referred to in the article. These would be useful to fill in the gaps.
Thank you again for thinking of me.
Regards,
Martin.
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pm me and i can take the Peggs back to 1500. Also there is a Pegg dna project going if your contacts are interested