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Patrick Hagan and Mary Kinsella's first son, Edward, was baptised in Sts. Mary and Peter's Church, Arklow. They lived in Glenogue, North Wexford. Information on their marriage hopefully will tell me the parish Mary came from, hers and Patrick's parents names.
I'm also looking for information on their second son, John, baptised on June 9, 1853. From the marriage cert of Patrick Hagan, his younger brother, John was best man and lived in 2 Maxwell St. off Cork St. Dublin.
According to Griffith's Valuations (Book 1855-1938 no.10)Co. Wexford, District of Gorey, Coolgreany, James Hegan's name appears as the tenant farmer in Glenogue. There is a second Hagan family also listed in Glenogue. I'm looking for information as to the connection between the two families.
jimoh
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Have you checked the online Catholic parish registers? Marriages usually take place in bride's church so if you don't find what you are looking for have a look through the neighbouring ones (assuming that the registers cover the correct period).
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Perhaps you have this already but Edward was christened on 22nd February 1851, the sponsors being James Hagan and Margaret Kinsella.
There is more than one Mary Kinsella in the Arklow records; a quick look throws up:
9th February 1829 (baptism) daughter of James Kinsella and Catherine Morgan (of Ballycoog)
17th March 1829 daughter of James Kinsella and Eliza Byrne (of Bolabradagh) There could well be more, there are a lot of Kinsellas in the records and I really just picked a year at random :)
Bev
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There was a marriage in 1845 for a couple with those names, no father's details given, but the RC parish was Kilanerin.
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If Gaffy has the right marriage, then Edward was probably not their first child.
Bev
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If Gaffy has the right marriage, then Edward was probably not their first child.
Bev
Absolutely right to be circumspect, I should have given the health warning that Kinsella and variants are two a penny in SE Ireland for that era (Hagan and variants less so). The only thing in favour is that the location is in the ballpark (north Wexford) ... so health warning given. :)
BTW, a James Hagan was a witness to the marriage.
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Thanks aghadowey for your response. I have tried a number of parishes around Arklow parish where Patrick Hagan came from, without succeess. I will continue the search.
jimoh
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Thanks Bev for your response. Both of the entries you referred to, from Ballycoog and Bolabradagh have possibilities. From my information Patrick Hagan was born around 1806. His wife Mary Kinsella could have been born in 1829.
Regarding Edward being the eldest offspring, I presumed that, as he succeeded James Hegan, his father, as tenant farmer. From Gaffy's information regarding the couple from Kilanerin it is possible that there were children who died before Edward arrived. I'll research that. :)
jimoh
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Thanks gaffy for your response. Your information may well be an important lead. I have checked the parish marriage records under nli. They don't cover 1845. They go from 1852 to 1880. What records were you working out of?
jimoh
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"What records were you working out of?"
A transcribed record that the RootsIreland website has, the website is subscription based should you wish to view record content.
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Thanks to all of you for the trails you suggested I might follow, particularly those of gaffy and bevj.They have yielded very helpful results. I have discovered that my great grandparents were married in 1845. The spelling of both their surnames are different from those used today. I have also discovered two extra grandaunts, one whose forename is that of one of my sisters.
jimoh
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Jimoh,
You may already have this information; an Edward Hagan and his brother James were evicted from their Glenogue holding on the 7th Jul 1887. Edward married Maria Moran on the 11 Sep 1882 and had the following children; Mary 1883, Bridget 1885, Patrick 1888 & John 1892.
Cheers
John G.
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Edward married Maria Moran on the 11 Sep 1882 and had the following children; Mary 1883, Bridget 1885, Patrick 1888 & John 1892.......
Two more children born to Edward and Maria
Edward 1895
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02196/1830247.pdf
Anna Maria 1899
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02042/1782169.pdf
1911 Irish census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003646251/
Seven children born, six still living.
KG