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Title: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 11 December 15 08:01 GMT (UK)
Hello Rootschatters,
I am seeking the burial details of Benjamin Carrington, Dec 1/4 1850, Liverpool, 20, 259. I have searched the Lancs OPC site, but couldn't find anything. Being unfamiliar with Lancashire resources, what other options do I have, other than purchasing the certificate?
Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: BumbleB on Friday 11 December 15 08:31 GMT (UK)
Ancestry have burials for Liverpool Anglican parishes - nothing.  Liverpool Catholic burials - nothing.  Lancashire burials - nothing in 1850.  :'(

As I'm sure you already know, English death certificates will only give you a residence at the time of death.  They will not give you a place of burial.

Added:  there is nothing on FreeReg under Lancashire.   :'(



Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 11 December 15 08:36 GMT (UK)
Thanks for taking the time to search for me, BumbleB. I was hoping to find the burial to confirm this one is "my" Benjamin, my 4x great grandfather. I'm trying to avoid an unnecessary certificate purchase.  :)
Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: BumbleB on Friday 11 December 15 08:50 GMT (UK)
I've also tried looking at the on-line newspaper archives at FindMyPast - nothing  :'(
Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 11 December 15 08:54 GMT (UK)
Thanks BumbleB!
I had another look at the parish where Benjamin and his wife Ann had some more children baptised. The burials are from the Bishops Transcripts; in theory he could have still been buried there. More likely because there are two Hannah's and two Isabella's baptised, but no burials for them either.
Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: KGarrad on Friday 11 December 15 09:08 GMT (UK)
There's a list of Liverpool Cemeteries and Burial Grounds here:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Liverpool/#Cemeteries

If you click on each church, you will be taken to an information page about the church.
Usually there are the dates it was operating, and where the records can be found?

E.G. All Saints closed in 1844, so you can cross that one off the list!
Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 11 December 15 09:13 GMT (UK)
Thanks for that.
I just re-checked the census; Benjamin is on the 1841 in Gilbert Street, no sign of a wife or family. He's not on the census for 1851, so it's looking more likely the 1850 death is the right one.
Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: rolnora on Friday 11 December 15 10:12 GMT (UK)
More likely because there are two Hannah's and two Isabella's baptised, but no burials for them either.

There is a burial in the Lancashire England Deaths and Burials for a Hannah Carrington 23 April 1819 at St John's Church Liverpool.
Dau of Benjamin [ Engineer] and Ann
Abode  Gilbert Street

Added    She was 11mnths
Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: Radcliff on Friday 11 December 15 10:26 GMT (UK)
For his daughter 
1st November 1852
St Mary, Walton on the Hill
Christopher Dailey, full age bachelor , shoemaker, of Kirby
Elizabeth Doyle, full age , widow of Kirby
Grooms father Christopher Dailey shoe maker
brides father Benjamin Carrington, engineer deceased
witnessed by John and Alice Sephton
Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: lancsann on Friday 11 December 15 14:51 GMT (UK)
There is also the Necropolis or Low Hill Cemetery Everton. This was used mainly for non-conformists but also for burial for people in central Liverpool where the church graveyard was full. Burials only online up to 1837.
Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: lancsann on Friday 11 December 15 15:07 GMT (UK)
it might help us to know who the son/daughter of Benjamin is who was your ancestor. I gather from the 1841 census that Benjamin was not born in Lancashire.
Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 11 December 15 20:35 GMT (UK)
Thank you Rolnora, Radcliff, and Lancsann.
Benjamin Carrington was born in 1776 in Hampsthwaite Yorkshire. He married twice, secondly to Ann Longley Booth on 18 May 1807 St Peters, Leeds. The eldest son of this second marriage was Peter (1807-1886), who was my ancestor.
Some time between 1813 and 1816, Benjamin, Ann and family moved to Liverpool; I assume this would have been for work purposes. With the help of the excellent Lancs OPC site, I have discovered they had more children in Liverpool. Peter was put on trial for stealing some brass, and was transported to Tasmania. On receiving his freedom, he came to South Australia, and settled down.
It is their life in Liverpool that I am piecing together at the moment, and Benjamin's death is the first piece of the puzzle.
Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: lancsann on Saturday 12 December 15 14:46 GMT (UK)
Did Benjamin & Ann have a son William born Leeds c 1816?

edit - probably not as on rereading he was born in Clint
Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: Blue70 on Saturday 12 December 15 18:35 GMT (UK)
Burial could have been at St James Cemetery.


Blue
Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: 1karen on Saturday 12 December 15 20:12 GMT (UK)
Would this be him? (Taken from Gore's Liverpool General Advertiser on Thursday 13 October 1836)

Marriage
On Thursday last, at St. James's Church, Mr Benjamin Carrington, civil-engineer, to Mrs Pearce, relict of Mr John Pearce, civil-engineer, Bordeaux.
Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: pinefamily on Saturday 12 December 15 20:29 GMT (UK)
Thank you Lancsann, Blue70, and 1karen.
I've never come across a William before; there was another Benjamin Carrington (b.1781 Bradford) who was married to a Hannah from memory. When I started looking into my Benjamin in more detail, I kept getting the two families mixed up. Looking at the original records is the best option to clear these things up.
Wow, it looks like he got married for a third time. So Ann must have died some time between 1828 (birth of last child) and 1836.
Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: pinefamily on Saturday 12 December 15 20:37 GMT (UK)
And naturally St James' marriages stop at 1806 on the Lancs OPC site.  ::)
Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: pinefamily on Saturday 12 December 15 22:00 GMT (UK)
A quick look on familysearch after breakfast shows Benjamin Carrington marrying Mary Pearce in 1836. At least I have a first name for her now.
It must have been a short marriage, as Benjamin was on his own in the 1841 census. There is a death registration for a Mary Carrington in the Liverpool district in 1840.
Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: rolnora on Saturday 12 December 15 22:10 GMT (UK)
And the marriage was at St James Toxteth.
One of the witnesses was Elizabeth Doye but the handwriting isn't brilliant and I'm wondering if it should be Doyle which is the surname of his daughter Elizabeth from her first marriage.
Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: rolnora on Saturday 12 December 15 22:33 GMT (UK)
A bit puzzled now ::)
I've just come across a burial record for a Sarah Carrington aged 50 wife of Benjamin Carrington Engineer 11 April 1836 at St John Liverpool.
So did Benjamin have another wife in between Ann and Mary  :o or could this really be Ann and a mistake made with her name on the bishops transcript.


Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: pinefamily on Saturday 12 December 15 22:39 GMT (UK)
The plot thickens...
That will need further investigation I think.
Thank you Rolnora!  :)
Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: pinefamily on Sunday 13 December 15 03:50 GMT (UK)
Familysearch has a marriage for a Benjamin Carrington, around the right age, to a Sarah Wardlay, in 1830 in Sheffield. I can't see another suitable death for a Sarah Carrington in either Yorkshire or Lancashire. Doesn't mean there isn't one though.
The other option is Ann died sometime between 1828 and 1830; Benjamin married Sarah, who died in 1836; he then married Mary Pearce, who died between 1836 and 1841 (maybe).
Is this too far fetched, with Benjamin marrying 4x, and surviving all four wives?
Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: 1karen on Sunday 13 December 15 16:57 GMT (UK)
Marriage
3rd September 1833, St. Anne Richmond, Liverpool
Benjamin Carrington, Engineer
Sarah Brown, Widow
Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: rolnora on Sunday 13 December 15 18:53 GMT (UK)
Another great find 1karen  :)

I see that the surname has been transcribed as Forington on one record and Corrington on another. ;)

I think I was wrong in thinking that the witness Elizabeth Doye/Doyle on Benjamin's marriage to Mary was his daughter. Elizabeth didn't marry Henry Doyle until 1837 so would have still been a Carrington.
Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: pinefamily on Sunday 13 December 15 19:55 GMT (UK)
I get up this morning (my time) and there's another discovery. Thanks 1karen and Rolnora!
There's obviously a friend or family connection with the Doyle's; I don't believe in coincidences. Or she was simply calling herself Mrs. Doyle already......
I guess we can rule out the Sheffield marriage I found on familysearch then. I did think it was a bit far away.
What parish did that marriage take place in Karen?
Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: 1karen on Sunday 13 December 15 22:45 GMT (UK)
It was in St. Anne's, Liverpool

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/Liverpool-Central/stanne/index.html (http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/Liverpool-Central/stanne/index.html)
Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: pinefamily on Monday 14 December 15 06:33 GMT (UK)
The marriage records for St Anne Richmond on that site only go  up to 1822.
Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: BumbleB on Monday 14 December 15 08:19 GMT (UK)
They're available on Ancestry.   ;)
Title: Re: Benjamin Carrington d.1850 Liverpool
Post by: pinefamily on Monday 14 December 15 08:32 GMT (UK)
Thanks BumbleB. I guess I'll have to take out a subscription.  ::)