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A relative of mine,Francis Young,died in may 1958 in Dromore.On his death cert his wifes name is Margaret..His first wife was Elizabeth Vass but I dont know when or where she died.they lived in Dublin till at least 1911.I was wondering how I can find the surname of Margaret,when she married Francis Young and if any children were born from this marraige..Francis Young was a plumber...
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1901 Census has Elizabeth Young 22, living at Brunswick Street, Dublin with 2 year old son Francis Duncan. They were CoI. She was born in Co Carlow.
They lived with her mother Anne Vass,58,and her brother George Vass,18, born in Yorkshire.
So far I have not found her husband in 1901 Census, nor can I find a later marriage to a Margaret on GRONI.
fadge
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Frances Duncan isn't 2, think it's 26
An electrician
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003730919/
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Sorry, I should have looked at the actual return form.
fadge
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There are 3 births Young with mother Vass, wouldn't be a common name combination so likely them, the last is 1907 so assuming it's them Elizabeth was still alive up to March 1907
1902
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/5a6e8e1321240
1906
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/5ce1420899270
1907
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/0540ba0787547
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A Francis Young married a Margaret Anderson in Belfast in 1920, a possible
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/da5dba6442773
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A Francis Young married a Margaret Anderson in Belfast in 1920, a possible
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/da5dba6442773
Francis John Young, son of William :-\
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Just some details of marriage-
06-Apr-1920
Parish / District: BELFAST County: Co. Antrim
Husband Wife
Name: Francis John Young Margaret Anderson
Address: 18 Shannon St 79 Collyer St
Denomination: Church of Ireland Church of Ireland
Occupation: LABOURER SMOOTHER
Age: 25 24
Status: Bachelor (Previously unmarried) Spinster (Previously unmarried)
Husband's Father Wife's Father
Name: William Young John Anderson
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation: RIVITTER PAINTER
Witness 1 Witness 2
Name: William Flannigan Mary Flannigan
annclare
also Name: Sarah Fisher Young Date of Birth: 13-Sep-1920
Registration Date: 01-Nov-1920
Address: 18 Shannon St Parish/District: CIVIL, BELFAST URBAN 3
Gender: Female County Co. Antrim
Denomination: Civil Parish / District
Father: Francis John Young Mother: Margaret Anderson
Occupation: Labourer
Sponsor 1 / Mary McCalmont
annclare
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If they are Elizabeth and Francis' children, where are they in 1911?
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This looks like Elizabeth
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KM7W-9FS
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1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000148902/
He's still married.
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That census look like 4 children 2 living although could be wrong on the 2.
The Unknown child in 1902 could be this boy
Richard Albert
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTXT-MP1
And the Richard born in 1907 is Richard Walter Duncan
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBLG-TM3
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This could be the 4th child with mother as Vase in 1904
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/364d1a1108146
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Yes thats the census returns for Francis Duncan Young..He had 4 children with Elizabeth Vass,she was from Carlow ,and the first child died in 1904...The returns says he is married which would indicate that his wife is still living,but I cannot find any information on her or the 2 other children
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I dont believe the Francis Young marraige to Margaret Anderson is the one I am looking for..My Francis Youngs father was Archibald Young..d.1929 in Simpsons Hospital Dublin,where he was in long term care..
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A relative of mine,Francis Young,died in may 1958 in Dromore.On his death cert his wifes name is Margaret..His first wife was Elizabeth Vass but I dont know when or where she died.they lived in Dublin till at least 1911.I was wondering how I can find the surname of Margaret,when she married Francis Young and if any children were born from this marraige..Francis Young was a plumber...
Will Extract (www.proni.gov.uk) gives a different occupation-
Young Francis Duncan of Balleny Dromore county Down retired electrician died 23 May 1958 Administration Belfast 16 October to Margaret Young the widow. Effects £369 15s. 11d.
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It seems Archibald was the plumber http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003715082/
Could he have been William Archibald or v.v.
annclare
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Archibald Young, master plumber, inmate in 1911-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rotunda/Britain_Street__Great/44827
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Thats the father of Francis,Archibald in Simpsons Hospital in 1911 and his mother and siblings in 1901...In 1901 Francis,(Frank) was living in Great Brunswick Street Dublin with his wife and her family named Vass
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I dont believe the Francis Young marraige to Margaret Anderson is the one I am looking for..My Francis Youngs father was Archibald Young..d.1929 in Simpsons Hospital Dublin,where he was in long term care..
And per reply #7, Francis in that marriage is cited as a bachelor... :-\
Wise to be suspicious, whilst not disregarding for the moment.
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I dont believe the Francis Young marraige to Margaret Anderson is the one I am looking for..My Francis Youngs father was Archibald Young..d.1929 in Simpsons Hospital Dublin,where he was in long term care..
And per reply #7, Francis in that marriage is cited as a bachelor... :-\
Wise to be suspicious, whilst not disregarding for the moment.
Wrong name, Francis John not Francis Duncan and wrong occupation. Doesn't look like a runner.
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I dont believe the Francis Young marraige to Margaret Anderson is the one I am looking for..My Francis Youngs father was Archibald Young..d.1929 in Simpsons Hospital Dublin,where he was in long term care..
And per reply #7, Francis in that marriage is cited as a bachelor... :-\
Wise to be suspicious, whilst not disregarding for the moment.
Francis John Young and Margaret Anderson look like a different couple indeed:
https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=D1&GraveNumber=279&CemeteryName=Dundonald%20Cemetery
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I see the death of an Elizabeth young in Dublin North in 1917,the age profile of Franks first wife Elizabeth Vass
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There is another in 1919 which is close.
It would be good to find her in 1911 and a look at that prison record might help.
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Not many details from prison record other than already posted. - 1909 Elizabeth Young age 31 height 5'3"born Carlow residence 56 High St - Husband Frank Young do- Married- Protestant- offence threaten to commit suicide sentence 2 cal mos Bail 1 June.
Looked under initials in 1911 to see if she was in hospital but nothing showed. It does look like the marriage to Margaret Anderson is the wrong one.
annclare
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I even looked at alot of the Vess families.
I think the other surviving child is Richard so where is he?, is he with her or with relatives, in school?
Her Mother in Law has come over to help out so it would appear she is in hospital, clearly from above not still in prison, but as you say no sign.