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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: silverleaf79 on Monday 30 November 15 12:23 GMT (UK)
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These are from an 1861 census, with the birthplaces of people who I hope are my great-great-grandfather and his parents.
I have him born in Shrewsbury in about 1842.
As usual I searched for these places on Google to see if they are anywhere near Shrewsbury but I can't find them at all, which I guess means they have either been written down wrong, or transcribed wrong, or both.
Here's how they are transcribed on Ancestry:
Llanabludwin
Granabena
Travercula
None of these places seem to exist.
Anyone have any ideas what they might be? I've attached a screenshot of the towns o the census form. Thanks!
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Might the first one be Llanyblodwel ??
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That was my thought as wall, but we are so close to the border with Montgomeryshire that the other two may be across the border
Mike
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Might the first one be Llanyblodwel ??
That looks a good candidate, thank you!
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That was my thought as wall, but we are so close to the border with Montgomeryshire that the other two may be across the border
Mike
Yes, I was wondering if the enumerator had trouble with Welsh place names.
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Checking in 1851 were their birthplaces listed as Oswestry?? The family are listed as Robert and living in Wednesfield with youngest child David born there
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I am thinking the last two are Welsh names of two words seperated by a y or a yn but I am still puzzled :)
Mike
Added, and ending in er. rather than. a
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How about
TREFERCLAWDD, a township in the parish of Oswestry, county Salop, 2 miles S.W. of Oswestry."
for the 3rd?
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Checking in 1851 were their birthplaces listed as Oswestry?? The family are listed as Robert and living in Wednesfield with youngest child David born there
Yes, that's the family.
I'm trying to work out if the younger John ROBERTS is my great-great grandfather, but it's such a common name (especially in that part of the country) that it's really difficult to find the right one.
Here's what I know about "my" John ROBERTS:
* Born in Shrewsbury in about 1842
* Married Caroline JAMES (sometimes referred to as Catherine) in Dudley, Worcs. in 1865
* Marriage cert shows his father as John ROBERTS, deceased.
* Children Agnes (1866), John (1869), Eliza (1871), Daniel George (1874) (my great grandfather), Mary A (1880) all born in Oldbury, Worcs.
* Living in Rowley Regis, Staffs. in 1871, and Oldbury, Worcs. in 1881.
Obviously there are several John ROBERTSs born in Shrewsbury around that time, and I'm struggling to figure out which is mine.
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How about
TREFERCLAWDD, a township in the parish of Oswestry, county Salop, 2 miles S.W. of Oswestry."
for the 3rd?
That sounds good. I got Google Translate to pronounce it for me and although it doesn't sound quite like "Travercula" it's similar. Thanks!
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I wonder if this is the family you found previously - in 1841- living in Treferclawdd (Part of), Oswestry Ties in with the birth place in 1861
John Roberts 25
Maria Roberts 25
David Roberts 2
John Roberts 5 Mo
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I wonder if this is the family you found previously - in 1841- living in Treferclawdd (Part of), Oswestry Ties in with the birth place in 1861
John Roberts 25
Maria Roberts 25
David Roberts 2
John Roberts 5 Mo
Yes, I think you're right, thanks. I had that census saved but hadn't noticed the place name (other than Oswestry)! Well spotted!
I think my next move is to try to trace this family forwards. I know the younger John died before 1865 when his son Daniel George married, so if I can find him in 1871 or later then I can rule this one out.
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I think this might be them in 1871 with Maria listed as a widow - Living as Thornley Colliery Easington although the birth places as strange!
Maria Roberts 52 Common Murton
Thomas Roberts 25
David Roberts 22
Maria Roberts 19
Henry Roberts 17
Sarah Jane Roberts 10
I don't know if you have access to Anc but this tree appears to relate to the family although little census info is given! http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/2035758/person/-919226167?ssrc=&ml_rpos=1
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Possibly 1881 -Living in Tunstall, Sunderland -but I can't see the son John
Ann Maria Roberts 64 widow Muston?? Common
Ann Maria Roberts 27
Henry Roberts 24
Sarah Roberts 20
Sarah Jane Roberts 1
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I think this might be them in 1871 with Maria listed as a widow - Living as Thornley Colliery Easington although the birth places as strange!
Maria Roberts 52 Common Murton
Thomas Roberts 25
David Roberts 22
Maria Roberts 19
Henry Roberts 17
Sarah Jane Roberts 10
I don't know if you have access to Anc but this tree appears to relate to the family although little census info is given! http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/2035758/person/-919226167?ssrc=&ml_rpos=1
Yes, the children all match, don't they? Apart from the birthplaces. It seems too much of a coincidence not to be them though.
And here's them in 1881
Ann Maria Roberts 64
Ann Maria Roberts 27
Henry Roberts 24
Sarah Roberts 20
Sarah Jane Roberts 1 (granddaughter)
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I see we cross-posted!
I didn't expect to see young John here, he married in Dudley in 1965 and was living around that area in 1871 and 1881.
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Given the confusion with the other family in terms of birth places I suppose it isn't unreasonable that John listed his birthplace as Shrewsbury rather than Oswestry
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Honestly, these two John Roberts guys are driving me crazy. There are so many death records for the older John between 1861 (last census he was in) and 1865 (where he's listed as "deceased" on young John's marriage cert), in Oswestry, Shrewsbury and Easington, Durham.
I suppose it would be reasonable to assume that he died in Easington as that's where his widow was in 1871 - it's more likely she'd stay there rather than moving to a place she had no other connection with after his death, right?
I just hate having to guess!
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Given the confusion with the other family in terms of birth places I suppose it isn't unreasonable that John listed his birthplace as Shrewsbury rather than Oswestry
Yes, I've been assuming that since Shrewsbury's pretty close to Oswestry - only 20 miles or so - that it would be reasonable for him to claim Shrewsbury as a birthplace.
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There are two possible deaths in Easington Reg District in Sept Qtr 1865 - no age given and Dec Qtr 1867 age 51??
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There are two possible deaths in Easington Reg District in Sept Qtr 1865 - no age given and Dec Qtr 1867 age 51??
The age is right for the 1867 death, but his son's marriage cert definitely has him as deceased by 25 Dec 1865.
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I hate to say this but there is a marriage of a John Roberts to Easington Reg District in 1865 to an Elizabeth
I think this is the family in 1871 Living at Dyke Street, Thornley, Easington In 1891 John birthplace is listed as born in Wolverhampton and his daughters include a Maria. The children's names may just be a coincidence
John Roberts 30 Miner Staffordshire,
Elizabeth Roberts 28 Pelton Fell, Durham
Sarah Jane Roberts 5
John William Roberts 0
It might be worth looking for him in earlier years to check this John wasn't the son of John and Maria ????
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I hate to say this but there is a marriage of a John Roberts to Easington Reg District in 1865 to an Elizabeth
I think this is the family in 1871 Living at Dyke Street, Thornley, Easington In 1891 John birthplace is listed as born in Wolverhampton and his daughters include a Maria. The children's names may just be a coincidence
John Roberts 30 Miner Staffordshire,
Elizabeth Roberts 28 Pelton Fell, Durham
Sarah Jane Roberts 5
John William Roberts 0
It might be worth looking for him in earlier years to check this John wasn't the son of John and Maria ????
See, so many Johns!
My young John was born in Shrewsbury/Oswestry married Caroline James in Dudley in 1865. I don't have any record of him living in Durham at all (although he cold have been there sometime before 1865 I guess) but he was definitely living in Oldbury, Worcs in 1971 and 1881.
It might be coincidence, it's a really common name and there are lots of seemingly unconnected members of my family from Durham and Worcs who moved between the two areas. I guess miners travelled like that a lot.
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I hate to say this but there is a marriage of a John Roberts to Easington Reg District in 1865 to an Elizabeth
I think this is the family in 1871 Living at Dyke Street, Thornley, Easington In 1891 John birthplace is listed as born in Wolverhampton and his daughters include a Maria. The children's names may just be a coincidence
John Roberts 30 Miner Staffordshire,
Elizabeth Roberts 28 Pelton Fell, Durham
Sarah Jane Roberts 5
John William Roberts 0
It might be worth looking for him in earlier years to check this John wasn't the son of John and Maria ????
See, so many Johns!
My young John was born in Shrewsbury/Oswestry married Caroline James in Dudley in 1865. I don't have any record of him living in Durham at all (although he cold have been there sometime before 1865 I guess) but he was definitely living in Oldbury, Worcs in 1971 and 1881.
It might be coincidence, it's a really common name and there are lots of seemingly unconnected members of my family from Durham and Worcs who moved between the two areas. I guess miners travelled like that a lot.
You are right so many John's! I was thinking that this John might be an alternative John who was the son of John and Maria if this were not the right family for your John - If that makes sense
This John lists his birth place in 1901 as Wednesfield/Wedgefield, Wolverhampton I think which could relate to part of his childhood spent there and I can't see him pre 1871! And some of his children's names and the same as his possible mother and siblings. Just a thought!
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You are right so many John's! I was thinking that this John might be an alternative John who was the son of John and Maria if this were not the right family for your John - If that makes sense
This John lists his birth place in 1901 as Wednesfield/Wedgefield, Wolverhampton I think which could relate to part of his childhood spent there and I can't see him pre 1871! Just a thought
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I see what you mean! I'm pretty sure he's not my John but of course he could be John and Maria's son. I hope he isn't, but he could be! ;)
John and Maria probably moved to the Wolverhampton area between 1847 and 1850 as son Thomas was born in Oswestry in 1847 and son David in Wednesfield in 1850. Young John would have been 5-8 years old at that time.
He lists his birthplace as Shrewsbury in 1871 and 1881.
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Yes this 1871 one is not yours -just trying to eliminate other possible John's who could the son of John and Maria post 1861!
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You are right so many John's!
I really wish people with common surnames wouldn't give their children ridiculously common first names! Especially when you have multiple generations with the same name too...
I mean, I have a great-great grandfather Sylvanus Dunn (his daughter Mary Elizabeth married young John's son Daniel George) and he's been really easy to research because pretty much no-one's called Sylvanus. Similarly there's an Erasmus Orwin in my mother's line and I had no problems with him either.
But John Roberts... what on earth were they thinking? ;)
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Deleted, ignore me!
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The problem with unusual names is they can so easily be mistranscribed! My Anstee's were lost for years until I discovered them at transcribed as Austin. Don't get me started on a Smith branch of my husbands family :)
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The problem with unusual names is they can so easily be mistranscribed! My Anstee's were lost for years until I discovered them at transcribed as Austin. Don't get me started on a Smith branch of my husbands family :)
That's true! I like the names that are both unusual and distinctive, that way it's easy to recognise them even if they are a bit mistranscribed!
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Frustratingly, John and Maria seem to be a match for my young John's parents - old John died at the right time, the family moved to Worcs where young John later married, and the birthplaces are close (Shrewsbury vs. Oswestry) - but I don't have anything more conclusive than what could basically be three coincidences.
If either John had a less common name I'd be convinced I had the right family by now, but John Roberts is just too common to be sure.
I don't know whether to assume they are right and run with it for now. I've totally hit a wall with conclusively tying my young John with this possible old John...
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I would consider looking at the family as a good option and continue to look for ways to confirm it
Young John lists his father as deceased when he married in 1865 so confirming when the possible father died between 1861 and 1871 should help. I wonder if the National Burial Index includes the parish where the elder John died??
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I wonder if the National Burial Index includes the parish where the elder John died??
Good idea - how would I find that out?
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Just checked my version 2nd Edition - you can buy them on discs - no sign of a John Roberts Thornley at the right time. There are later editions and it is possible that someone on the site has access to the Parish Records?? I can't see a death of him on Family Search
Unfortunatley the 1867 death of John Roberts is the right age :-\
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Did a freeBMD search for deaths of John Roberts between 1861 and 1865 in Durham, Staffordshire and Worcestershire.
LOTS to wade through!
Deaths Jun 1861 (>99%)
Roberts John Dudley 6c 22
Roberts John Gateshead 10a 331
Roberts John Newport Sh. 6a 549
Roberts John Winchcomb 6a 249
Deaths Dec 1861 (>99%)
Roberts John Upton 6c 183
Deaths Mar 1862 (>99%)
ROBERTS John Dudley 6c 65
ROBERTS John Wolverhampton 6b
ROBERTS John Wolverhampton 6b 294
ROBERTS John Wolverhampton 6b 345
ROBERTS John Ashborne 7b 327
ROBERTS John Burton 6b 20[7_]
ROBERTS John Stow on W 6a 2[6_]0
Deaths Jun 1862 (>99%)
ROBERTS John Sunderland 10a 256
ROBERTS John Pershore 6c 207
ROBERTS John Stoke T 6b 98
ROBERTS John Wolverhampton 6b 310
ROBERTS John William Wolverhampton 6b 295
Deaths Sep 1862 (>99%)
Roberts John Stockton 10a 21
Roberts John W Bromwich 6b 341
Roberts John Wolverhampton 6b 214
Roberts John Stourbridge 6c 86
Deaths Dec 1862 (>99%)
ROBERTS John Dudley 6c 73
ROBERTS John Dudley 6c 58
Deaths Mar 1863 (>99%)
ROBERTS John Dudley 6c 6
ROBERTS John Dudley 6c 69
ROBERTS John Lichfield 6b 295
Deaths Jun 1863 (>99%)
ROBERTS John Stoke T 6b 93
ROBERTS John Worcester 6c 172
Deaths Sep 1863 (>99%)
ROBERTS John Wolverhampton 6b 305
ROBERTS John Stoke T 6b 98
ROBERTS John Newcastle L 6b 35
Deaths Dec 1863 (>99%)
ROBERTS John Bromsgrove 6c 250
ROBERTS John Wolverhampton 6b 316
ROBERTS John Bullock Wolverhampton 6b 304
ROBERTS John William Dudley 6c 19
Deaths Mar 1864 (>99%)
ROBERTS John Wolverhampton 6b 335
ROBERTS John Dudley 6c 68
ROBERTS John Shipston 6d 430
ROBERTS John Stoke T. 6b 157
Deaths Jun 1864 (>99%)
ROBERTS John Bromsgrove 6c 262
ROBERTS John Dudley 6c 33
Deaths Sep 1864 (>99%)
Roberts John Stoke T 6b 111
Roberts John Wolstanton 6b 54 Scan available - click to view
Roberts John Dudley 6c 46
Deaths Dec 1864 (>99%)
Roberts John W Bromwich 6b 462
Roberts John Tewkesbury 6a 288
Deaths Mar 1865 (>99%)
ROBERTS John Dudley 6c 87
ROBERTS John Solihull 6d 348
ROBERTS John Bromsgrove 15c 313
ROBERTS John Kidderminster 6c 186
ROBERTS John Worcester 6c 217
ROBERTS John Worcester 6c 217
ROBERTS John Edward Penkridge 6b 286
ROBERTS John William Wolverhampton 6b 345
ROBERTS John William Stratford upon Avon 6d 394
Deaths Jun 1865 (>99%)
Roberts John Wolverhampton 6b 262
Roberts John Wolverhampton 6b 30_
Deaths Sep 1865 (>99%)
Roberts John Solihull 6D 295
Roberts John Easington 10a 214
Deaths Dec 1865 (>99%)
Roberts John Wolverhampton 6b 324
Roberts John Walsall 6b 390
I think we can probably discount any with middle names as he didn't use one on his marriage cert or any of the censuses.
I'm leaning towards the death in Easington as Maria is living there in 1871, but that might be another coincidence, of course. It seems more likely that they moved there, he died, and then she stayed there than if he died in Worcs and then she moved. But who knows?
I'm going to see if I can find a death in mining records for that time, as he's listed as a coal miner in 1851 and 1861 (and a move to Durham would totally make sense for a miner).
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Just checked my version 2nd Edition - you can buy them on discs - no sign of a John Roberts Thornley at the right time. There are later editions and it is possible that someone on the site has access to the Parish Records?? I can't see a death of him on Family Search
Unfortunatley the 1867 death of John Roberts is the right age :-\
Thank you!
I know, how annoying about the 1867 death. That's definitely not him though if he was already dead in 1865...!
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Easington Colliery didn't open until 1899 (and sinking didn't begin until 1899 either) so he didn't die there. Now looking for nearby pits.
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Sorry - called away by visitor - I would agree that the family were more likely to move as a unit to Thornley with the father alive and he died in the village. They worked at Thornley Colliery
Unfortunately I keep coming back to this John in the same village in 1871
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBZ1-M4V I wonder if it is worth asking if someone has access to the marriage of this John and Elizabeth to check who his father was!! Edit Married March Qtr 1865
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I can't see a John Roberts listed as dying at the colliery http://www.dmm.org.uk/colliery/t002.htm
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Sorry - called away by visitor - I would agree that the family were more likely to move as a unit to Thornley with the father alive and he died in the village. They worked at Thornley Colliery
Unfortunately I keep coming back to this John in the same village in 1871
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBZ1-M4V I wonder if it is worth asking if someone has access to the marriage of this John and Elizabeth to check who his father was!! Edit Married March Qtr 1865
Are you thinking that this one might be the son of John and Maria?
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I can't see a John Roberts listed as dying at the colliery http://www.dmm.org.uk/colliery/t002.htm
No, I'm having no luck finding a colliery death either. It was worth a check though, a small but significant proportion of my mining ancestors died in pit accidents. Seems like it was a very dangerous job.
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Quite possibly the son of John and Maria
Found a useful site including parish records for Thornley http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/index.php?q=1&cookiecheck=1
Looks as though the 1867 death for John Senior is probably the right one http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/SearchResults.php
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The 1865 marriage sadly looks the right one for a son of John Snr
18 Feb 1865 - John Roberts (bachelor, coal miner), age 24, of Thornley, son of John Roberts (coal miner) married Elizabeth Clark (spinster), age 23, of Thornley, daughter of John Clark (coal miner)
Witnesses: Matthew Chalder, John Pollard
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Quite possibly the son of John and Maria
Found a useful site including parish records for Thornley http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/index.php?q=1&cookiecheck=1
Looks as though the 1867 death for John Senior is probably the right one http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/SearchResults.php
How confusing! Does it happen a lot, people making mistakes on their marriage cert?
There is also the 1865 death in Easingham which doesn't have an age.
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The John Roberts who died in 1865 was also born that year.
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The 1865 marriage sadly looks the right one for a son of John Snr
18 Feb 1865 - John Roberts (bachelor, coal miner), age 24, of Thornley, son of John Roberts (coal miner) married Elizabeth Clark (spinster), age 23, of Thornley, daughter of John Clark (coal miner)
Witnesses: Matthew Chalder, John Pollard
How can you tell it's the right one? Not doubting you at all, but I'm not really experienced with this and trying to learn a few tricks. ;)
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The 1865 marriage sadly looks the right one for a son of John Snr
18 Feb 1865 - John Roberts (bachelor, coal miner), age 24, of Thornley, son of John Roberts (coal miner) married Elizabeth Clark (spinster), age 23, of Thornley, daughter of John Clark (coal miner)
Witnesses: Matthew Chalder, John Pollard
How can you tell it's the right one? Not doubting you at all, but I'm not really experienced with this and trying to learn a few tricks. ;)
His age, name, occupation, father's name and occupation matches the son of John and Maria. This John is also living in the same village as his parents and the names given to his children reflect his parents and siblings. The only reason I hesitated originally was the birthplace of Wednesfield/Wolverhampton listed in the census, but it is a place where the family lived previously.
Sadly I think it is a far more likely he is John and Maria's son than your John
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The 1865 marriage sadly looks the right one for a son of John Snr
18 Feb 1865 - John Roberts (bachelor, coal miner), age 24, of Thornley, son of John Roberts (coal miner) married Elizabeth Clark (spinster), age 23, of Thornley, daughter of John Clark (coal miner)
Witnesses: Matthew Chalder, John Pollard
How can you tell it's the right one? Not doubting you at all, but I'm not really experienced with this and trying to learn a few tricks. ;)
His age, name, occupation, father's name and occupation matches the son of John and Maria. This John is also living in the same village as his parents and the names given to his children reflect his parents and siblings. The only reason I hesitated originally was the birthplace of Wednesfield/Wolverhampton listed in the census, but it is a place where the family lived previously.
Sadly I think it is a far more likely he is John and Maria's son than your John
I guess that John does have a couple more matches than mine - my John's father's occupation on the marriage cert is Ag Lab.
So it's looking like we have more than one John with son John of the same age moving from Shrewsbury/Oswestry to Worcs, or maybe just the young John moving there before his marriage in 1865.
It's such a shame there are no siblings or anything in young John's 1871 and 1881 censuses. That would be really helpful. I guess I need to think about where to go next. :/
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I hadn't realised that your John's father was listed as an Ag Lab.
Were there any witnesses named Roberts??
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I hadn't realised that your John's father was listed as an Ag Lab.
Were there any witnesses named Roberts??
I discounted John's father's occupation as unimportant myself because I've definitely had Ag Labs become Coal Miners, and vice versa. But with all the other evidence, it probably IS significant.
The witnesses to young John's marriage are Charles Poole and Sophia Cox.
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Okay, going back to stuff I definitely know, and working from there.
Young John had 5 children that I know of, all born in Oldbury, Worcs.:
Agnes ROBERTS Oct 1866
John ROBERTS 1869
Eliza ROBERTS 1871
Daniel George ROBERTS 17 Jul 1874
Mary A ROBERTS 1880
Apart from Daniel George (my great great grandfather) I can't find any of them after 1881. Daniel married in Staveley, Derbys. in 1895 so I wonder if the whole family moved to that area at the same time?
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Okay, going back to stuff I definitely know, and working from there.
Young John had 5 children that I know of, all born in Oldbury, Worcs.:
Agnes ROBERTS Oct 1866
John ROBERTS 1869
Eliza ROBERTS 1871
Daniel George ROBERTS 17 Jul 1874
Mary A ROBERTS 1880
Apart from Daniel George (my great great grandfather) I can't find any of them after 1881. Daniel married in Staveley, Derbys. in 1895 so I wonder if the whole family moved to that area at the same time?
Urgh. the whole family (apart from Daniel) seems to have dropped off the face of the earth after 1881.
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Back after being dragged out for lunch - but can't complain
So no witnesses that look to be useful in terms of Roberts family
Will have a fiddle :)
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Back after being dragged out for lunch - but can't complain
So no witnesses that look to be useful in terms of Roberts family
Will have a fiddle :)
Lovely! I trust you had a good time?
Nope, no helpful witnesses. :(
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Very nice thanks ;)
I presume you haven't found Daniel in 1891 either?
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Very nice thanks ;)
I presume you haven't found Daniel in 1891 either?
No. I have him in 1901 and 1911 living in Poolsbook, Derbys., but not in 1891.
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Found a John Roberts living with wife Phoebe and son John in Rowley Regis 1861, with pob Shrewsbury and the right age. Worth following that one up, I think.
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Yes - I saw that one and meant to ask if John was listed as a bachelor at the time of his marriage??
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Yes - I saw that one and meant to ask if John was listed as a bachelor at the time of his marriage??
Yes he was.
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John's wife Caroline James has a Cox family and a Poole family on the same census sheet in 1951. Coincidence? I don't see a Sophia Cox or a Charles Poole there, but hmmm. Interesting.
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This tree on Family Search has the same idea re the 1861 John with wife Pheobe
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:33H4-QZX
If you click on the John Roberts b 1839 in the tree it will take you to other data including a suggested 1851 census which they think is a John Robert age 12 born in St Chadds Shrewsbury living as a newphew with the Walker family in St Mary, Shrewsbury
I think this John is the son of a Sarah Roberts who is age 30 in 1841 living in St Chadds with children including son John age 1. In 1851 Sarah Roberts is listed as 40 unmarried and a dressmaker with daughter still living in St Chadds
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This tree on Family Search has the same idea re the 1861 John with wife Pheobe
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:33H4-QZX
If you click on the John Roberts b 1839 in the tree it will take you to other data including a suggested 1851 census which they think is a John Robert age 12 born in St Chadds Shrewsbury living as a newphew with the Walker family in St Mary, Shrewsbury
I think this John is the son of a Sarah Roberts who is age 30 in 1841 living in St Chadds with children including son John age 1. In 1851 Sarah Roberts is listed as 40 unmarried and a dressmaker with daughter still living in St Chadds
I think that tree is my original incomplete one from back when I first started, when I copied stuff off Ancestry trees that seemed sensible. :/ Young John is my #16, and the only other person who has him as #16 is my brother, who doesn't do any family history research.
Basically I scrapped my original tree on Ancestry and started again from scratch but doing actual research this time! So take this tree with a huge pinch of salt. ;)
Of course there might well be some good info there which is worth looking into.
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Well at least you know who produced it :)
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Well at least you know who produced it :)
Yep, aren't I unhelpful! ;)