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Title: Pub/address Newcastle under Lyme
Post by: pedders on Friday 27 November 15 11:04 GMT (UK)
I have been able to locate Edward Barker (born 1818 and married to Sarah Eardley) living in Bridge Street, Newcastle under Lyme in the 1861 census.  Unfortunately the record I have doesn't have the exact address in Bridge Street.  Pigots Directory of Staffordshire shows an Edward Barker being the proprietor of the Brown Jug in Bridge Street in 1830.  As the 1818 Edward Barker is a malster and licensed victualler I wonder if he was related and had taken over the pub.  Any help with a look up would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Pub/address Newcastle under Lyme
Post by: hanes teulu on Friday 27 November 15 11:41 GMT (UK)
Staffordshire Advertiser, 23 Jun 1821
To be sold by Auction (in the Roe Buck Inn, Newcastle)

LOT 1 - A small Messuage, ..........., situate in Bridge Street....."   

LOT 2 - "An old accustomed public House, adjoining the last Lot, called the Brown Jug .... now in the occupation of Edwd Barker".

Title: Re: Pub/address Newcastle under Lyme
Post by: hanes teulu on Friday 27 November 15 11:43 GMT (UK)
Advertisements on 11 and 19th December 1819 in the same paper have an Edward Barker at the Brown Jug.
Title: Re: Pub/address Newcastle under Lyme
Post by: hanes teulu on Friday 27 November 15 12:01 GMT (UK)
A death notice in the paper on 20 Dec 1851 states Edward Barker, of the Brown Jug, Bridge Street died 9th Dec, age 71.

Title: Re: Pub/address Newcastle under Lyme
Post by: hanes teulu on Friday 27 November 15 12:09 GMT (UK)
The earliest reference I can find has Edward Barker at the Brown Jug on 2 January 1819.
Title: Re: Pub/address Newcastle under Lyme
Post by: pedders on Friday 27 November 15 12:15 GMT (UK)
That is great.  It looks like the Barker family were tenants, unless they purchased it in the auction.

Obviously Edward Barker (senior) ran the Brown Jug and lived there until 1851.  I just need to establish that Edward Barker (junior) took over the pub and that it is the Brown Jug he occupied in the 1861 census.
Title: Re: Pub/address Newcastle under Lyme
Post by: hanes teulu on Friday 27 November 15 12:56 GMT (UK)
In January 1852 the licence was transferred to Mrs Elizabeth Barker
Title: Re: Pub/address Newcastle under Lyme
Post by: hanes teulu on Friday 27 November 15 13:01 GMT (UK)
Elizabeth Barker's death notice, age 78 of the Brown Jug, Bridge street, widow of Edward Barker, appeared 27 December 1862.
Title: Re: Pub/address Newcastle under Lyme
Post by: hanes teulu on Friday 27 November 15 13:05 GMT (UK)
The Staffordshire Advertiser, 4 April 1863 reported the transfer of the licence from Mrs Elizabeth Barker to a John Hughes.
Title: Re: Pub/address Newcastle under Lyme
Post by: hanes teulu on Friday 27 November 15 13:17 GMT (UK)
Sarah Barker, 38, wife of Edward barker, maltster died Bridge Street (Brown Jug not mentioned) on 17 December, just 4 days before Elizabeth Barker on the 21st.
Title: Re: Pub/address Newcastle under Lyme
Post by: hanes teulu on Friday 27 November 15 13:23 GMT (UK)
Looking at the '61 Census, John Hughe's was Elizabeth's son in law. They occupied a separate address to Edward and Sarah + family.

I recall seeing something in 1857 about John Hughes, address Brown Jug, Bridge Street.
Title: Re: Pub/address Newcastle under Lyme
Post by: pedders on Friday 27 November 15 13:35 GMT (UK)
I have confirmed that Edward (b 1818) is the son of Edward proprietor of the Brown Jug and that Elizabeth was his mother.  Based on the fact that in 1861 Jnr was running a pub in Bridge Street I had reached the conclusion that he took over the family business ... your last post suggests not.  Solve one question and more just appear.  Thanks v much for your help.
Title: Re: Pub/address Newcastle under Lyme
Post by: hanes teulu on Friday 27 November 15 18:46 GMT (UK)
From the '61 census "Jnr" was in the trade, but not necessarily running the Brown Jug. Why did you deduce he was running a pub '61?
Title: Re: Pub/address Newcastle under Lyme
Post by: Zen rabbit on Saturday 28 November 15 09:15 GMT (UK)
Barker Jr could well have taken over the Brown Jug (still there by the way) but there were several others in Bridge St. I do not have the 1861 directory but in 1851 there was The British Flag (Isaac Cotterall), The Cheshire Cheese (Jas Locke), The Rising Sun (John Nicholas), The Eagle and Child (Wm Barlow), the Vine (Wm Brayford) and the Golden Ball (Francis Fieldhouse). Interestingly Edward Barker has two listings The Brown Jug 22 Bridge st and as Edward Barker under beerhouses (also 22 Bridge st) but there is also and Edward Barker listed under beerhouses at 127 Lower St. Which puts him right next door to The Queens Head (John Shufflebotham) at 125 Lower St
Title: Re: Pub/address Newcastle under Lyme
Post by: pedders on Tuesday 01 December 15 16:22 GMT (UK)
thanks both - I think I had been naïve to assume that the business would just go to the son.  Looks like Bridge Street would have been ripe for a pub crawl! The Brown Jug is still there so nice to make a connection with some part of the family
Title: Re: Pub/address Newcastle under Lyme
Post by: hanes teulu on Tuesday 01 December 15 16:54 GMT (UK)
I'd started to check out John Hughes - son in law. As previously mentioned, he was recorded at the Brown Jug in 1857.
Your post has reminded me.
Title: Re: Pub/address Newcastle under Lyme
Post by: Westfield on Friday 26 February 16 21:38 GMT (UK)
Ooooh, now there's a blast from the past! I used to walk past that pub on my way home from school. I even remember getting told off for jumping on the steps of the Alms Houses that used to be nearby.
Title: Re: Pub/address Newcastle under Lyme
Post by: wilco888 on Saturday 01 December 18 15:52 GMT (UK)
I am in possession of the complete title deeds to the Old Brown Jug, I have the original deeds from Edward Barker in 1822....
Title: Re: Pub/address Newcastle under Lyme
Post by: Westfield on Monday 05 August 19 22:08 BST (UK)
Here's a turn up for the books! Since I posted in 2016, I have started to work on another branch of the family tree (daughter in law's family) only to find that she is related to the Hughes/Barker clan on her mother's side. Small world isn't it? Any other info on the family would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Pub/address Newcastle under Lyme
Post by: theoldbrownjug on Monday 05 August 19 22:22 BST (UK)
Is there anything you know or you think I know that can bring this together.. I'm interested in the story of the building of this pub...