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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: mrstucci on Friday 15 July 05 01:17 BST (UK)
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Anyone researching these names in the Berkshire County area? Love to hear from you!!! Judy
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Hi - What sort of dates are you looking for
I have a Theodora Williams who would have been born 1745 approx marrying Thomas Payton in Abingdon - I would love to find her parents. Also a Sarah Fletcher marriying Henry Payton again in Abingdon about 1825 (I don't have my papers with me at the moment). I have transcripts of some of the registers for Abingdon and some other stuff if I can be of any help
Debbie
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Thank you so much for contacting me! I will give you the information as I have it.
Thomas Fletcher was a hemp dresser married to Elizabeth Cripps (I don't have any dates for them at all). They had 4 children: Mary, b abt 1753 in Abingdon, Joseph, Eliabeth, Sarah. Mary is my gggg grandmother. She married Samuel Williams 5 Apr 1768. He was born 1750, died 1790, Reading. They had 9 children: Elizabeth Coombe Williams who married (11 Jun 1795, West Challow, BRK) Edward Leader- they had no children- she lived to 101!! She died 11 Jun 1870; Benjamin Williams b 29 May 1770, Reading- married Elizabeth Buckland; Thomas Williams b 12 Dec 1773, Bampton, OXF- married Violetta Williams (b 16 Jun 1776, Old Shifford, OXF)- their great granddaughter was named Theodora (b 1878); Mary Williams married a Kendel; Sarah Williams; Martha Williams; Ebenezer Williams, Hannah Williams (my ancestor), b 1786- married William Cary b abt 1782, Reading- they immigrated to America; Martha Williams b abt 1788- married James Collier (b Witney, OXF) 18 May 1824, Abingdon.
Let me know if I can provide you any more information! Thanks for your help, Judy
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Hi Judy
Thank you for the reply - much food for thought there.
You might like these bits if you don't already have them
Thomas Fletcher baptised 22nd April 1717 s/o John & Mary Fletcher carpenter
married Elizabeth Cripps 9th November 1740
they had baptised John 1741 23rd August
and Elizabeth 19th June 1743
I believe they then joined the new Presbyterian Chapel (the Fletchers were noted supporters of it) hence no more baptisms that I could see
Elizabeth was buried in 1787 17th April - w/o Mr Thomas Fletcher - hempdresser at the Presbyterian Meeting Chapel
and Thomas 1795 Feb 11th Mr Thomas Fletcher snr buried at the chapel
The use of the term Mr in this context is interesting he must have been a respected person in the community.
I am quite excited at the Williams/Fletcher marriage in 1768 as my Payton/Williams marriage is in 1769 - it is just possible there is a connection. Samuel Williams is given as of Bampton on his marriage so I think I will try and get hold of a copy of those register transcripts to see if there are any further clues - do you know what Samuel did as a job?
All the best for now
Debbie
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Well, I am excited also to have found someone with possible ties to these families! I thought I would also send some tidbits about Elizabeth Coombe Williams that I have since I find her so interesting:
married Edward Leader- lived at villa called North Court, out skirts of Abbingdon- Leader was a gentleman farmer- there was a church at Abbingdon that Cromwall converted into a stable during civil war- they had no children- they raised a nephew who married and became a famous portrait painter- Elizabeth died at age 102- nieces and nephews called her "Aunt Leader
in the 1841 Census, her niece, Elizabeth Leader Collier, was living with her.
According to Mieneke’s book, Elizabeth was remembered as an old lady that “The praises of God were sung very mournfully at the Independent Chapel, as at most other places in those days, only one hymn at each service.” In the 1780’s Elizabeth and her friends persuaded the minister to start a choir which sang in the gallery, but some members of the congregation preferred the precentor “singing slowly and sadly” to the choir’s lively tunes and walked out “as soon as the obnoxious sounds began.” In 1785, Elizabeth could stand it no longer and joined the Baptists.
She was a member of the Independent Chapel before becoming a Baptist.
Information about Northcourt- the home of Edward and Elizabeth:
Northcourt was a medieval manor, now a suburb of Abingdon. Northcourt House was built in 1805 by Henry Knapp (d 1825) but his son lost it when he went bankrupt in 1848. The house still exists. No traces remain of any medieval buildings.
“I am unsure if anyone has contacted you regarding this, but the closest
building to a Villa on Northcourt Road is Northcourt House which was built
in the 1700s. It was recently sold by the College to a private owner.
Friends of Abingdon will be able to give you more information at:
http://www.geocities.com/abingdonmuseumfriends
I hope you find what you need!
Regards
Rebecca Philbrook “ (she is at the Abingdon College)
I am a bit confused by something you wrote: you said that they had baptised John 1741 23rd August and Elizabeth 19 Jun 1743- do you mean that John Fletcher, father of Thomas, was baptised then? And when you say Elizabeth was baptised, do you mean Elizabeth Cripps? And Elizabeth died several years before Thomas??? From what I have learned about the Williams family, they were well educated and prosperous. Samuel Williams was a hemp dresser (as I said) but also a butcher. I have many butchers, meat packers, etc. in my ancestral line. I just had a thought- Thomas Williams married a Violetta Williams- they were cousins. Maybe your Williams line descends from that line particularly since Thomas and Violetta were the great grandparents of a Theodora Williams...... more food for thought! Thank you for the information you sent. It filled in more blanks!!! Judy
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Hi
Sorry I didn't make it plain - the two baptisms I gave are for the two eldest children of Thomas & Elizabeth (nee Cripps)
They had a son John and a daughter Elizabeth baptised in St Helens church in both cases the parents are given as Thomas & Elizabeth Fletcher - hempdresser.
My Williams line will be earlier than Thomas & Violetta Williams - I am wondering if Theodora my be a sister of Samuel - the dates would be about right she would have been born about 1750
Debbie
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Ah, thanks for the clarification. And I didn't have a John so this is good! I had Elizabeth but no dates. So if naming the children follows the pattern that ancestors long ago practiced, maybe Elizabeth Coombe Williams was named after a paternal or maternal grandmother?? Then Benjamin may have been Samuel's father's name..... Isn't that how it goes? The middle name of Coombe has to be a family name- it's not like Marie or Ann. We may make a break through on this family yet! Judy
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I have a Benjamin Williams b 1770 with wife Sarah Edgington (no marriage date) with children born Reading. Children are James, Edward, Thomas, Theophilus, Alfred, Frederick, John, Ann and Hannah. Unfortunately no dates but marriages for most of these. I need to confirm that this the same Benjamin. I think that James b1812 lived Abingdon and Edward was Edward Leader Williams b 1803 who lived in Worcester and whose son was Benjamin Williams b 1831 (the artist).
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Jen- I don't have a Sarah Edgington at all in my Williams line and the names that you listed don't match up either. I am not saying that your Benjamin Williams isn't part of my line but maybe a marriage that I don't know about. My Benjamin Williams was b 1770 (29 May) and was married to Elizabeth Buckland. They were the parents of James, Edward Leader and Benjamin. But there are enough similarities that it makes me wonder.... Maybe if you tell me the surnames of the spouses one will ring a bell! Don't give up yet. Judy
PS- I have Edward Leader's birthdate in 1795...
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my James Williams m Matilda Cook. Daughter Sarah Jane b1850 Abingdon. Father Benjamin Williams 29/5/1770-1/12/1846. Sarah Edgington b 1779 d 19/12/1848. I found James b 1812 in Abingdon in 1871 with Sarah Jane and son Benjamin b 1848 Northcourt. If anyone has 1841 census for Reading area they should both be on it.. The tree I have shows Benjamin b 1770 and sister Elizabeth m Edward Leader who d 27/10/1833. It also mentions Martha m 1824 James Collier. other marriages (no dates) are Edward=Sarah Whiting,Sarah=Josiah Fletcher (found on 1851 census in Norwich),Theophilius=? Bailey,and Hannah=? Waters. It also goes back several generations to James Williams b 1674. This seems to be in Bampton/Coate area of Oxfordshire.
The eldest child that I found for Josiah Fletcher was Benjamin Edgington Fletcher b about 1837.
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I have a Theodora Williams who would have been born 1745 approx marrying Thomas Payton in Abingdon - I would love to find her parents.
Debbie
According to the Oxfordshire Baptism Index (http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/), we have :-
Theodora WILLIAMS, daughter of Thomas & Ann, baptised at Kingston Bagpuize in 1742
The parish registers of Kingston Bagpuize have been transcribed and indexed by this society. They are available on CD (http://www.ofhs.org.uk/CDsales.html) and are also freely available to consult at the Centre for Oxfordshire Studies and Oxfordshire Record Office. The transcription might well give information over and above that taken from the index.
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Hi OFHS ;D ;D ;D
Thank you so much for that information - I have been looking for Theodora on and off for several years - I even already have your publication of the registers for Kingston Bagpuzie on Fiche and never thought to look there - having said that for some reason the pages that contain that entry are very blurred and out of focus so I am not sure I would have spotted it without being told. Thomas & Ann seem to have had 6 children baptised in Kingston starting with a Leonard Williams in 1736 - sadly they didn't marry there so the search goes on now for their marriage (I can't see it in my copy of the Oxfordshire marriage index so perhaps it was in North Berkshire), however the name Leonard seems to suggest a connection with the Williams's of Iffley so I think I shall purchase that disk to add to my collection and see what I can find from there - again thank you so much - yo have made my day
;D
Debbie
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Debbie- I am so happy that you found some new information!! Yea! Judy
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Hi Judy - and all
I am getting really excited about this as I think with a bit of work it may all fit together. I started this afternoon going through some of my records for Williams - with reference to the facts already mentioned. When I looked at Kingston Bagpuzie on the map I realised how close it is to Bampton & Shifford I think that 'my' Thomas married to Ann and born about 1710 is very likly to be related to your Williams family. Jen you mentioned a tree going back to James Williams born 1674 - can you see any possibles for my Thomas Williams on it??
I have this from the 1841 census for Northcourt for you - In case you don't already have it
James Williams aged 29 Farmer Y
Matilda WIlliams aged 28 Y
James Williams aged 2 Y
Matilda Williams aged 6m Y
+ 2 servants
nest door (or possibly even in the same building)
Elizabeth Leader 70 Ind N
Elizabeth Collier 16 Ind N
Rachel Emberlin 25 F.S.
William Constable aged 20 M.S.
and From 1851 - Northcourt again
James Williams H Mar 39 Farmer 540 acres emp 31 men born Reading
Matilda Williams Dau 10
Edward Cook Williams Son 9
John William Son 6
Sarah Jane Williams Dau 2
Mary Jane Williams Visitor 16 born Reading
John Nicholson Visitor 16 Farmer born GLS Lydney?
Emma Payton Serv 20 House serv born Abingdon
Charlotte Woodbury Serv 24 House Servant born MArcham
again next entry
Elizabeth Coombe Leader H Wid 81 Blind Annuitant born Bampton
+ 2 servants
James & Matildas eldest son is at school in Reading - I think the other Williams there is probably a cousin
James Leader Williams aged 11 born Northcourt Abingdon
Charles Bailey Williams aged 14 born Reading
From the BVRI I found details of three of the children of Benjemin Williams & Sarah (nee Edgington)
Frederick Williams bapt 15 Nov 1813 Reading
John Octavious Williams bapt 16th June 1813 Reading
Hannah Phillips Williams bapt 30th Jan 1817 Reading
So it really does look as though Elizabeth Leader was the aunt of James Williams (b 1812 Reading) the son of Benjemin Williams & Sarah (Edgington) - can I ask where you got the other marriage of Benjemin to Elizabeth Buckland from Judy? perhaps she died and he married again
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Thats it so far - I will see what else I can come up with
Debbie
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Hi again
I have found Benjamin Williams in the 1841 census for Reading
- Reading St Giles - London Road
Benjamin Williams 70 Ind N
Sarah Williams 60 Y
Hannah Williams 20 Y
Sarah Brooker F.S. Y
Hannah Phillips 20 Ind Y
So by 1841 he was married to Sarah and Hannah his daughter was still at home
:)
Debbie
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Thanks Deb! I will have to go through all this wonderful new info!! Judy
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Hi
The information I have is James Williams b 1674 m Mary Williams, their children are on the IGI 10 in all. The main one being Benjamin b 1718 d 1792. i've got him married to Martha Hunt but IGI has Mary Hunt on baptisms of children (all baptisms at Bampton or Aston or Coate) Benjamin & Martha have at least 7 children including Elizabeth b jul 1741 who m T Coombe (possibly b 1732 d 1819). Samuel b 1749 m Mary Fletcher. I have got a lot of marriage names but no dates for both these generations.
The data I have was from a cousin and was written down 15-20 yrs ago.
Sarah Jane Williams b 1850 Abingdon m Charles Alfred Fisher in 1874. One of their sons married my great Aunt and they emigrated to New Zealand in about 1908 or 1910.
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Hi all
I found that Benjemin Williams who died in 1792 left a will which is at Oxford R.O. - he is given as yeoman of Cote, Bampton in the index. The names of the prople mentioned in this will are listed in the Eureka publication - persons named in Archdeaconry Wills proved 1790-1800 (will no 208)
Wife Rebecca Williams, Son James Williams, Daughter Martha Williams, son Samuel Williams, daughter Ann Hughes - son-in-law John Hughes, daughter Mary Petty son-in-law William Petty, daughter Elizabeth Coome son-in-law Thomas Coombe and William Hurcomb nor relationshirp given.
From the OFHS marriage index Benjmein married Rebecca Robert in 1761 in Bampton - so this must have been a second marriage
From IGI Ann Williams married John Hughes 1772 in Bampton
Elizabeth Williams married Thos Coombes 1759 in Buckland Berks.
I have a copy of the baptist registers for Cote Oxfordshire and though there are many Williams entries there is very little for Benjemin and family though there is a note of the death of Elizabeth Coombe in 1829 and Mr Thomas Coombe in 1819 - non of his children appear listed in the births, nor can I find his death listed - though it is very patchy.
I wonder where whoever put those entries into the IGI got the information from - it doesn't seem to have been from the church or chapel registers :-\
Still I will keep digging
Debbie
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Hi Debbie
Thanks for all the 1841 & 1851 info.
Also the will of Benjamin from 1792. It fits in well with the info I have, allowing for misspellings. Anna Williams (1747 to 13 oct 1825) m 1872 to 'J Hines' who died in 7/10/1808.
Mary W 1749-8/10/1774 m in jun year u/k to William Pey who died 27/9/1794
Charles Bailey Williams possibly son Theophilius Williams & ? Bailey. Theo died 1837.
I found John O Williams near Torquay on 61 & 71 census
Further surnames from marriages probably 1720-1740 are Hutt, Hunt, Sparrowhawk, Ricketts, Peck, Ridge & Warman
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I'm back- I am trying to sort through all the Williams' and jen___maxsgirl, you asked how I came by the information about Elizabeth Buckland. I got it from someone I have been corresponding with for several years now who is doing research on the Williams family. I don't have his source but he said that Elizabeth Williams who married Edward Leader, her younger brother Benjamin Williams married Elizabeth Buckland. I will write to him to verify. So I have a question about James Williams b 1812- he is the son of Benjamin Williams and Sarah Edgington? James married Matilda Cook? Now where does Theophilius fit in? And Josiah? I hope I can keep this all straight! Have a good day! Judy
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Hi
It is possible that Benjamin Williams had two marriages. As none of the marriages appear on the IGI
Edward Leader Williams had his eldest daughter called Sarah Edgington Williams which suggests she was called after her grandmother.
also Benjamin's daughter Sarah born 1802 had a son Benjamin Edgington Fletcher.
It would be good if someone out there can find Benjamin's marriage(s). I suspect that they are connected to the chapel,
On the IGI there is a Sarah Edgington baptised as a teenager at a meeting house in Abingdon in 1792 with birth given as 1779 which fits.
Benjamin & Sarah are on the 1841 census together.
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Thanks for that info. I will attempt to untangle all this..... :-> Judy
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Hi,
I'm new to this site, but came across it because I did a search for North Court, Abingdon on google and found this thread. It's quite hard to follow all the ins and outs of the people you're talking about, but my gggg grandmother was Mary Fletcher, married to Samuel Williams. I'm related on my maternal side via their daughter Martha Williams m to James Collier; their daughter Martha Leader Collier m to Charles Hemming and so on down the female line.
I have a family tree done about 30 years ago which concurs with your discussions, although it doesn't go back quite as far. I have Benjamin Williams married first to Elizabeth Buckland who died 21 Feb 1800 and then to Sarah Edgington on 23 Dec 1800 from whom he had all those children!
I actually have a couple of photos of North Court, taken circa 1865 (according to the writing on the back) One has 2 women in it and it says on the back "Grandma Green in the seat at North Court, Abingdon (Elizabeth Leader Williams Collier). But as the inscription is probably later than the photo and there seems some confusion which Elizabeth it is, I'm not sure how reliable it is. I'm happy to attach a copy if anyone is interested (my scanner is broken so it'll have to be a digital photo).
I also have a portrait of Martha Collier (Hemming), although that might not be of interest as it's later than most of the people you're discussing (1860s?) so probably not such a close relative, but I'm happy to photograph that and attach it if it is of interest. I'd be interested to know more about your investigations and how you fit in.
Regards,
Jenny
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Hi Jennie- Anything you have on Martha and any pictures are most welcome! I am so, so happy to meet you. Another piece of the puzzle!!! Mary Fletcher was my 4ggrandmother. Do you by any chance have any info on Mary's parents, Thomas and Elizabeth Baggs Fletcher? I have a website that you can visit that has my Fletcher info on it but I can't say that I have it all straight on there either- I am afraid I have been a bit confused now and then about it all but you can visit my site if you like: www.ourfamilynearandfar.net. I am so glad you found this site, take care, Judy
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Anyone researching these names in the Berkshire County area? Love to hear from you!!! Judy
I have a Mary Leader, born in Rotherfield Greys (Oxfordshire) who married Aaron Gorton in 1890. They had two children before Aaron died in 1895 and Mary married George Summersby. Any help to you
Viv
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Hi Viv! Sorry I am so tardy in replying- didn't realize that there was a new reply to this forum. As for your Mary Leader, I don't have any Leaders that recent. I don't have much on the Leader line. The area is right but I can't fit her in yet. You can take a look at my website to see if she might fit in somewhere if you like: www.ourfamilynearandfar.net.
Take care, Judy
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Hi
I'm new to genealogy and this site so please bear with me. I am a Williams born in Abingdon. I have some info about my ancestors and their ocupations. Reading through this thread shows up some similarities but also some names I haven't heard of. James Williams, Thomas Williams, Walter Williams are in my line. Likewise Hilda, Emma and Emma Kate. Occupations are butcher, fishmonger, Pub landlord (Black Bull in Stert Street), Furniture shop in St Helens. The butcher line came down through Walter to my dad and his brothers. I am away working at the moment but when I get home I will look up dates etc and see if they tie in. In the meantime, does any of this info make sense to anyone?
Max
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Hi Max - and a very big welcome to Rootschat - who knows we may even turn out to be distant cousins - do you have any dates (even approx would help to pinpoint them) for your lot ?
Debbie
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Hi again Max - and all the others who have taken an interest in this thread - I have found what I think is your Williams line Max. If I have it right it goes
Walter born 1883 son of James & Kate
James Williams born 1847 son of James and Martha - nee Brewerton, incidently - if we aren't related through the Williams line we are through the Brewerton one though very distantly.
James who married Martha Brewerton was born in 1816 the son of Thomas & Sarah (nee Welch) - Thomas was a baker and died in 1843 so although I can find him on the 1841 census at the Almshouses I don't know where he was born, I wish I could find out as he may well have been related to my Theodora Payton nee Williams who died in Abingdon in 1812 - I think she may have been his aunt If you find when you get home there is any info on where Thomas came from I will be over the moon as we are still trying to peice together the assorted Williams lines beofre 1800
All the best
Debbie
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Hi Debbie (and anyone else)
Have you seen the book "Illustrated in Abingdon". It contains lots of old photos of Abingdon. Anyway, there are pictures of Williams Butcher's Christmas display with James (If i remember right, I will check when I get home) standing in front. Also picture of Black Bull in Bury Street (another family property). Anyone interested I can probably see if it is still printed.
Max
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hello
I am a Coombe whose ancesters started off in Torquay Devon and eventally settled in Liverpool in 1876, the name Thomas/Tom also Richard follow down through the years.
Doreen
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Hi Max
Yes I have a copy of that book - and have often looked at the picture of Williams butchers shop and wondered if there was a connection
Debbie
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Hi DoeDoe- I have Coombe but just as a middle name- a couple of Thomas' that lived in London and an Elizabeth Coombe Williams Leader who was born in Bampton but died in Berkshire. Any connection? Judy
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hello Judy
cant think of any at the moment but will see what I have got and if any connection will get back to you good luck
Doreen
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Thanks and good luck to you too! Judy
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If anyone is interested, my wife has emailed me a copy of the original photo of James Williams' Christmas display. It is clearer than in the book. I tried to attach it to this post but its too big. I would be happy to e mail it to anyone who wants a copy.
Another Williams anecdote for you:
When the Abingdon Gaol closed (I don't know the date, does anyone?) the effects were auctioned off. Williams bought the governor's clock (which was made in Abingdon). It hung in the butchers shop in Abingdon and then in the Steventon Shop, until the Gaol was restored and turned into a sports centre. The Williams family alive at that time; Gordon, Clive, Derek and Ivor donated the clock and it was hung in the foyer. By the way it is many years since I have been in Abingdon, is the Old Gaol still a sports centre or has it closed?
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I would be interested! judytucci@mac.com
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I have jusy sent the photo Judy
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- there was a church at Abbingdon that Cromwall converted into a stable during civil war-
Very unlikely - the church was used as a stable (as were others) but Cromwell would almost certainly have had nothing to do with it. He was never in the garrison at Abingdon nor was he a senior enough commander at that time to have any overall control. The guilty party was probably called Browne.
Tales of the Civil War often give Cromwell credit for everything Parliamentary forces did - in reality it was only in the closing months of the 1st Civil War (1642-1646) that he rose to high rank for most of the conflict he commanded little more than a cavalry regiment.
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Thank you- I have included your historical correction in my information. Judy
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Boy! Am I ever slow........ I am getting buried under emails and have put off too long too much 'stuff'- interesting stuff but I get easily distracted and when it comes to genealogy, I definitely have ADD!!! But anyway, I am going through my old emails and came across a mention of James Williams' butcher shop in Abingdon. Could someone please refresh my memory of which James Williams this is? As a short refresher I descend from Samuel and Mary Fletcher Williams. They are my gggg grandparents. And hello again to everyone!! Hope you are enjoying your summer/ winter, whichever applies to you. Judy
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Hi,
I've just come across this discussion. I too have an interest in finding out the connection of Williams in Oxon/Berks with my family (Clinch). I have several ancestors who were christened John Williams Clinch.
John Williams I, b 1878, Witney, d 1871 Witney
He married Elizabeth Philippa Hill Cripps -- hense the second reason for my interet in this discussion!
JW 1 was a brewer and banker in Witney (Clinch & Co)
John Williams Clinch II, b 1814, Witney, d 1861 Witney
John Williams Clinch III, b 1839, Witney, d 1905 Douglas IOM
John Williams Druce Clinch IV, b 1871 Douglas, d 1921, London
The Williams name seems to have stuck for some generatios, so they must have had an impact on the Clinch family - I'd love to find out more.
Regards
Craig
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I too have just come across this message by googling
'Theodora Williams, Kingston Bagpuize'
Theodora may have been my 5G grandmother, if I can establish the connection.
My 3 Ggrandmother was Ann Payton, born 1816, Shoreditch to John and Ann Payton.
I have been informed that this was John Payton of Abingdon and his 3rd wife, Ann Blissett of Wantage, and that John's parents were Thomas Payton, and Theodora Williams of Kingston Bagpuize.
I have not as yet confirmed this information, but it looks likely, from this thread. I have just put a new post about this family, asking if anyone recognises them - well looks like at least one other person does!!
Margaret
:D
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Hello sugarfizzle and craigcc! I am sorry that I am so late in replying but time just got away from me! What else can I say? I do think that there probably is a connection between your, craigcc, John Williams and the Clinch line but I can't find it in what I have. I will send the details you have given to someone else researching Williams. Sugarfizzle- I couldn't find any Paytons in what I have but will do the same for you that I am doing for craigcc. I invite you both to visit my website at www.ourfamilynearandfar.net and take a look. You can contact me via that website if you like. Take care, TGIF, Judy
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Hi Jenny
Very interested that you have a picture of Martha Collier. Recently discovered that she and Charles Hemming are my gg grandmother and grandfather. Would love to see a copy if that's possible, plus any information that you have on them.
Many thanks
Clare
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Hello Max,
I am also from your line of the Williams' through James and Emma Kate. Their daughter Mildred was my great grandmother. I would be ahppy to share any research with you.
Rachel Preece
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Hi Rachel! Good to meet you! I would love to share. Please visit my website at www.ourfamilynearandfar.net
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Hi again-part of my message got cut off! The part that's missing said that you can email me from the website and that I look forward to hearing from you! Merry Christmas! Judy
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Judy, Just seen your site tonight. I have put up 2 suggestions on the Ourfamily nearandfar site. Couldn't find an e mail place but maybe Suggestions is the same thing.
My comments are under the heading Thomas Fletcher. Basically I'm saying that Thomas Fletcher married twice and all of Mary and Samuel's line comes from Mary's mother Hannah Hopkins NOT Elizabeth Baggs. Ditto Mary's 3 siblings from her mother - Joseph, Elizabeth and Sarah. The rest of the huge family was by Elizabeth Baggs. Thomas F had 12 children in all. I am descended from his youngest child Isaac Fletcher who married Charlotte Baker.
Also as you may all know by now Benjamin Williams (son of Mary and Samuel )did marry twice. His second wife was his first cousin Sarah Edgington (her mother was Sarah who married Richard Edgington. Sarah's mother was also Hannah Hopkins.
Hope that helps - you may already know it though. Eleo
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Hi-no, this is new information for me and very welcome! Thank you so much, Eleo. And very nice to meet you. Will make the changes. Judy
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Hi All, I have the complete family tree for the Williams's of Cote, Bampton coming down from Gweryfed. I met the Pastor of Cote Rev Sparrowhawk who gave me a book with the Williams lineage which matched 99% with mine but mine went back further. I have reasearched the earlier Williams and found my tree to be correct. I have however an unverified link: Richard Williams of Gaer Aberysgyr born about 1600 died (apparantly) at Bampton 1662 bringing the Williams' from Gwernyfed in Wales to Oxford. His 4 great grandsons John, Richard, James & Adin are our great grandfathers! If anyone would like to ask me questions, want a copy of the family tree, just let me know.
Bill
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Hi Bill
and welcome to rootschat - it is lovely to 'meet' you
That is a very generous offer and I would love to take you up on it, I will admit I am not even sure that my branch of the Williams are part of the same family, despite coming from Kingston Bagpuzie which is very close to Cote my ancestress Theodora was born there in 1742 to Thomas & Ann Williams and later lived in Abingdon. I will Pm you my E-mail address
:)
DebbieG
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Hi Debbie,
I have emailed you the tree - very interesting - even one uncle a missionary eaten by cannibils! :o
You can also see the Leader influence in my family Edward Leader of Wootton must have been an incredible guy if his neice got his surname as a middle name!
Chat more once you've studied the tree.
Bill
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Hi Bill
your tree sounds very interesting.
I have a Sparrowhawk marring into the Williams family in the early 18th centuary to a Hannah Williams born 1704, but no further details.This info was from a cousins family in New Zealand.
Jen
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Hi Jen,
Yes, Hannah was the third child of James of Aston b.1674 and Mary (nee Williams) whose sister Hannah married the locally famous Rev. Joseph Collett.
I have nothing further on Hannah or her husband, although the present Rev. in Cote is one Graham Sparrowhawk. I sent him an email this afternoon as we plan to go over again this Christmas. Him and his Wife are a truly delightful couple.
Do you have any more info on the Williams's in NZ? I know one Joshua Stranger Williams was a Judge in NZ - I have his line upwards.
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Hi
My relations in New Zealand are descended from Sarah Jane Williams born 1850 in Abingdon to James Williams and Matilda Cook.
She married Charles Alfred Fisher in 1874. I think she had 3 sons and my Great Aunt married one of them and emigrated to New Zealand in about 1909/1910
I've come across the Judge in my searches
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Hi Jen, James b 1811 was my ggg granfather's brother. Their father was Benjamin of Hill Hall Reading and his second wife Sarah Edington.
Mikenoni if you read this - my pm to you bounced. If you want a copy of the tree please forward me your email address.
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Hello, I'm Lesley,
I have really enjoyed the conversation & 'ourfamilynearandfar' - a great website.
I think I may have a new thread to add to the story.
I have a NSW transcript of death for Sarah BETTS - I will try to make it brief - but I feel certain that she is the dau. of Sarah EDGINGTON. It incudes the following info:
Death 1 Jul 1860 Parramatta NSW age 89yrs (b. abt 1770)
Marriage - Abingdon BKS at age 27 to Matthew BETTS ( not in OFHS's PR transcripts)
Parents
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Hello, I'm Lesley,
I have really enjoyed the conversation & 'ourfamilynearandfar' - a great website.
I think I may have a new thread to add to the story.
I have a NSW transcript of death for Sarah BETTS - I will try to make it brief - but I feel certain that she is the dau. of Sarah EDGINGTON. It includes the following info:
Death 1 Jul 1860 Parramatta NSW age 89yrs (b. abt 1770)
Marriage - Abingdon BKS at age 27 to Matthew BETTS (abt 1797) ( not in OFHS's PR transcripts)
Parents Josiah ALLEN, gentleman & Sarah FLETCHER (Mother's maiden name only required)
From OFHS transcripts of St Helens there is
CH: 11 Nov 1770 Sarah FLETCHER, dau. of Josiah & Mary Allen, cutler.
We have some hints of Baptist or Quaker background, could this be why I cannot find some marriages or death records?
A few Questions: Did Richard Edgington die before 1797 when Sarah married Josiah ALLEN?
Could Sarah have died in childbirth before the CH of dau. Sarah ALLEN & the marriage to Mary ?
Dau. Sarah & her husband Matthew BETTS are both mentioned in the will of Josiah ALLEN of Abingdon in 1805
I hope someone may be able to clarify this,
Happy Christmas everyone Lesley