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I'm hopeful that someone going to Beverley would be kind enough to look up a marriage for me.
I'm trying to establish the details for JOSEPH HEMINGWAY who married in Howden sometime in the Dec Qtr 1862. I'm fairly sure it was to Mary Richardson, but it is the detail that I am in need of. I believe that Joseph was illegitimate and as much info from the marriage could help ensure that I trace the right Joseph.
Thank you.
Maurice
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Hi
To lookup a marriage at the records office you need to know which church it took place in
Here are all the areas contained within the Howden RD
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/howden.html
Is this the right 1871 entry for East Cottingwith. All born there except Mary
Joseph Hemingway 34
Mary 39 b Partington
Sarah Ann 7
Mary 5
Lucy 3
Hanah 11 Months
RG10 Piece 4758 Folio 9 Page 11
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That is the right family in 1871.
I can't tell which church the marriage took place in as I don't have a look up table from the page number, but based upon the page number it looks as if it might be parish of Howden itself.
If anyone has a table, the page is (9d) 165.
Here's hoping.
Maurice
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There is no sign of the marriage on YorkshireBMD, FindMyPast, Ancestry or FreeREG.
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I can't tell which church the marriage took place in as I don't have a look up table from the page number, but based upon the page number it looks as if it might be parish of Howden itself.
www.marriage-locator.co.uk agrees!
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Thanks avm228. Must use marriage locator in future. That's good news and all I need now then is for some very kind soul going to Beverley Archives to look it up for me.
Still hoping.
Maurice
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The images for the parish church in Howden are available to view on FindMyPast. There is NO marriage in the December quarter of 1862 for Joseph Hemingway at that church.
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I too have had a scroll through the images of Howden Parish Register and agree with BumbleB no marriage at Howden Minster
Goughy
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Joseph Hemingway 34
Mary 39 b Partington
Sarah Ann 7
Mary 5
Lucy 3
Hanah 11 Months
RG10 Piece 4758 Folio 9 Page 11
Mary was born in PORTINGTON (near Howden) so possibly marriage at Eastrington
No marriage in Aughton with East Cottingwith
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You will need to buy a copy of their marriage cert as it cannot be looked up anywhere
In 1881 - Joseph still shows East Cottingwith as his birthplace and birthyear 1838. No other children between 1871 - 1881
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Thank you Goughy, BumbleB & CaroleW. I'm defeated!
Looks like I'll have to order the certificate but given the GRO Page number, I don't understand why it's not at Howden. Marriage Locator has all marriages between page numbers 144 and 175 inclusive as being at Howden Parish. Page 143 is Thornton by Pocklington (in Pocklington RD) and Page 176 is unknown between Howden and Hessle (in Sculcoates RD).
Possibly my only hope is that it is in the register but not transcribed.
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Unless you know which church they married in - the reference/page numbers are immaterial and only useful when ordering a copy. Howden was the registration district and I posted the link in my earlier reply showing all the areas covered by it - all with various churches.
To find it via the records office would mean searching the marriage records of every church for the relevant quarter - very time consuming
If you are ordering from the GRO you need the quarter/district/volume number and page number which is on freebmd www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
In 1851 - Joseph aged 14 is shown as the nephew of William & Ann Hemingway and appears to possibly have had a brother William
All b East Cottingwith
William Hemingway 32
Ann 39
Joseph 14 nephew
William 12 nephew
HO107 Piece 2357 Folio 176 Page 7
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I haven't looked at the locator, so I may be talking out of the back of my hat! :o :o
The parish church in Howden is NOT the only location for marriages, is it? I think there is at least a Catholic church, plus I'm sure non-conformist chapels, and perhaps the Register Office. It is interesting to see that the other marriage noted on the same page as Joseph (groom George Ward), also did NOT take place at the parish church.
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A possible 1841 entry for East Cottingwith - no relationships are shown on the 1841 census
William Hemingway 55
Mary 60
Ann 30
John 25
Elizabeth 20
William 20
Joseph 4
William 2
HO107 Piece 1216/5 Folio 7 Page 7 Line 2
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From FS
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3NS-R4C
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWJ9-XFN
The 1841 entry was in the Civil Parish of Aughton
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Looking at the image of Aughton with East Cottingwith Parish Record for Joseph's birth
15 January 1837 Joseph son of Ann Hemingway of East Cottingwith, Singel (sic) woman
EDIT Looking at the William baptism in 1839 mother Elizabeth Hemingway Single Woman
Goughy
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Info on both baptisms already shown above from FS
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Interesting snippet to ponder on. There were Banns for an Ann Hemingway to a Thomas Hutchingson both of East Cottingwith read on 13th 20th and 27th November 1836 but I can't find a marriage! Joseph was christened on 15 January 1837 ?coincidence??
In 1851 there is a marriage on 29 December 1851 at Aughton Church - William Bateman, aged 47 bachelor, (Father deceased) Occupation Farmer to Ann Hemingway aged 40 spinster (Father William Hemingway Carpenter) Witnesses John Hemingway, William Hemingway, Thomas Coates
Goughy
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Many thanks everyone for taking this amount of interest. I had already seen the census entries for the family and can (almost certainly) say that William and Mary are the parents of Ann, John, William & Elizabeth. Both Ann & Elizabeth seem to have had illegitimate sons - Ann had Joseph (the subject of the original message) and Elizabeth has had a William.
I hadn't seen the Banns which may well have been called and not "followed through", so that was a good spot by Goughy. Thanks. I can confirm that Ann's father was a wheelwright so carpenter would fit in respect of the 1851 marriage. I must look to see if a similar scenario could have played out for Ann's sister Elizabeth.
But on the subject of "GRO Page Nos", I can confirm that these are of use and can certainly guide you to where a marriage took place. The transcription from the registers to the GRO Indexes follow a methodical approach each quarter and far from being useless except for ordering certificates from the GRO, they can provide a fair amount of guidance. For those that are interested it's worth looking up. Search for "Cardinal Points" if you want to know more.
Thank you to everyone.
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H, You are correct 4th Quarter 1862 Howden District poss to Mary Richardson whose name is their.
Found this on Find My Past under HEMINGWAY,
Gogogadgetlegs