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Title: William Briggs
Post by: davies51 on Saturday 14 November 15 00:36 GMT (UK)
William Briggs born 1845 in England and died in Muttama NSW 1945 I believed he arrived with his parents in 1848. He married in NSW in 1872 to an Elizabeth Charlesworth. Looking for any information about his early life.
Title: Re: William Briggs
Post by: Billyblue on Saturday 14 November 15 12:28 GMT (UK)
William Briggs born 1845 in England and died in Muttama NSW 1945 I believed he arrived with his parents in 1848. He married in NSW in 1872 to an Elizabeth Charlesworth. Looking for any information about his early life.
Arrived 1848 aged 3
Died 1945 aged 100?
If that age is correct, suggest you search TROVE for any newspaper about his 'grand old age'.

Dawn M
Title: Re: William Briggs
Post by: Rosinish on Saturday 14 November 15 12:35 GMT (UK)
Regarding his early life can you please state where born and parents names please?

Annie
Title: Re: William Briggs
Post by: ShaunJ on Saturday 14 November 15 13:48 GMT (UK)
The Grand Old Man of Muttama was born at St Mary's of English parents according to this obit:

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/138990418
Title: Re: William Briggs
Post by: Christine53 on Saturday 14 November 15 14:43 GMT (UK)
If his is the death registered in 1945 Cootamundra , 24160, parents' names were Charles and Hannah.
Title: Re: William Briggs
Post by: Rosinish on Sunday 15 November 15 00:31 GMT (UK)
The Grand Old Man of Muttama was born at St Mary's of English parents according to this obit:

This would suggest William was born in oz although his parents were English?

However, if he was born in England, "St. Mary's" could be anywhere as this would be a Parish rather than a Town or County.

How old was he when he married & do you have him on any census records with an age to clarify a definite year of birth as his age on death could be out or is his age/birth year consistent?

Annie
Title: Re: William Briggs
Post by: Rosinish on Sunday 15 November 15 00:42 GMT (UK)
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Realised he emigrated aged 3 yrs so not him  ::)

Annie
Title: Re: William Briggs
Post by: Rosinish on Sunday 15 November 15 00:50 GMT (UK)
Do you know if William had siblings born in England, if so what were their names & yrs of birth?

What was his father's occupation on Williams marriage & census records?

Annie
Title: Re: William Briggs
Post by: Rosinish on Sunday 15 November 15 01:02 GMT (UK)
"Needle in a haystack" with the name William Briggs & yrs 1845/1846 as many do not have parents names alongside.

Annie
Title: Re: William Briggs
Post by: Rosinish on Sunday 15 November 15 01:23 GMT (UK)
William Briggs born 1845 in England and died in Muttama NSW 1945 I believed he arrived with his parents in 1848.

Do you have any info. which points to 1848?
Do you have any info. on his parents since arriving in Oz?
Does any of William's children have surnames as middle names which may indicate Hannah's maiden name or any other middle names?

Annie
Title: Re: William Briggs
Post by: Christine53 on Sunday 15 November 15 22:25 GMT (UK)
A couple of online trees have William Briggs born in New South Wales around 1847 , parents William Thomas Briggs and Hannah Ann Smith. A brother , Thomas , is mentioned. There is an obituary for Thomas Briggs which mentions his brother , William , the butcher at Muttama :

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q=%22Thomas+briggs%22&l-decade=192&l-year=1928

Thomas 's death in 1928 names parents as William and Hannah - maybe the 1945 death index for William has an incorrect father's name ?
Title: Re: William Briggs
Post by: davies51 on Sunday 15 November 15 22:55 GMT (UK)
Thanks for your help

Williams Briggs Born 1845 to John and Anne Briggs (nee Butler) Died NSW age 100 (?)
Arrived  on the 'Poictiers" from London via Plymouth 13/11/1848 in South Australia he would have been 3

Facts: George, John and Roseanne (Rose Anne) were on the boat with their parents. Records have 5 children so maybe one of the children was William.  Their eldest child Catherine was already in Australia by this date.  I have detailed information of these 4 children.

If this is the William- I do have infro about his parents, especially Anne Butler.
John and Anne Briggs son John also married an Anne (my great great grandparents)
I will keep looking assuming it was William on the boat abut any more help would be great.

Title: Re: William Briggs
Post by: ShaunJ on Sunday 15 November 15 23:32 GMT (UK)
It seems pretty clear from the obituary that the William Briggs who married Elizabeth Charlesworth in 1872 and died in Muttama in 1945 was born in St Mary's NSW so it would seem that he is not the missing sibling that you are looking for.
Title: Re: William Briggs
Post by: Rosinish on Monday 16 November 15 01:05 GMT (UK)
What was William's father's name on his marriage & death certs.
The marriage cert. would be the word of William himself.

Annie
Title: Re: William Briggs
Post by: davies51 on Monday 16 November 15 03:45 GMT (UK)
Marriage Cert does not have his parents name. Our family folklore has that, after arriving in SA, at least one of the children travelled to NSW in the care of a Church of England minister. Given it was not John and does not appear to be George, it could have been this child, which could account for his not knowing his parents names and also lack of consistency in some of the earlier documents about William.
Title: Re: William Briggs
Post by: Rosinish on Monday 16 November 15 13:42 GMT (UK)
If his is the death registered in 1945 Cootamundra , 24160, parents' names were Charles and Hannah.

I agree with CB & Sean, you are searching for the wrong William.

It seems pretty clear from the obituary that the William Briggs who married Elizabeth Charlesworth in 1872 and died in Muttama in 1945 was born in St Mary's NSW so it would seem that he is not the missing sibling that you are looking for.

Annie