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Does anyone have any information on a Frederick Briggs married in South Australia in1861 to a y Anne Ford. When did he come to Australia. Who where his parents. I think he was born in England
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Married Mary Ford in 19.1.1861. Mary was born McEvoy
On his marriage details he states Robert Biggs is his father. Frederick was 33 on marriage making him born 1828/27
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His marriage gives his name as Frederick William Briggs, there is a Frederick William Briggs baptised in Lesbury Northumberland, 12 Oct 1825, to Robert and Ellinor Frances Briggs.
Jo :)
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Good work Jo :)
BAPTISMS,
St Mary, Lesbury
ISABELLA HAMILTON Briggs, 7 April 1817
ROBERT WIDRINGTON Briggs, 12 Oct 1818
EDMUND GEORGE Briggs, 12 Oct 1819
ELEANOR FRANCES Briggs, 22 April 1822
COLLIN HUME Briggs, 4 May 1824
FREDERICH* WILLIAM Briggs, 12 Oct 1825*******
MARGARET HUME Briggs, 26 Feb 1828
FRANCES MARY Briggs, 12 May 1829
WILLIAM JOHN Briggs, 24 April 1832
Parents ROBERT and ELEANOR/FRANCES ELLINOR etc
Fathers Occp Farmer
Abode Hawkhill
MARRIAGE
02 January 1815, St. John the Baptist, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland
Robert BRIGGS and Elinor Frances ROBSON
All above on FreeREG
Trish :)
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1841 Census
Stepney Cottages
All Saints, Northumberland
HO107/845/8/All Saints
Francis Briggs, 40, Independant
Isabella Briggs, 20
Ellen Briggs, 15
Collin Briggs, 15
Margt Briggs, 12
Francis Briggs, 10
William Briggs, 8
Both Francis should be FRANCES
1851 Census EDMUND G Briggs born c 1819, Lesbury Parish, Northumberland is living in Lambeth, Surrey, Unm, Occp Clerk in War Office?
His Sister ISABELLA 1817 is with him
Cant find any other the others.
F/S also has a FRANCES HUME Briggs, birth 1816, buried 1 March 1815 Newcastle Upon Tyne, age 0, who is likely their 1st Child.
ELEANOR FRANCES Robson Baptised 3 Oct 1790, St Andrew, Newcastle Upon Tyne
Parents EDWARD/FRANCES
Fathers Occp Sadler
Possible Marriage;
Edmund ROBSON/Frances WALKER, 26 Sept 1785, St John the Baptist, Newcastle Upon Tyne
FreeBMD has;
June 1847 Tynemouth, Marriage Margaret Hume BRIGGS, 4 possible Spouses
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Re this;
FreeBMD has;
June 1847 Tynemouth, Marriage Margaret Hume BRIGGS, 4 possible Spouses
Marriage is on FreeREG Margaret Hume Briggs names her Father as WILLIAM Briggs, Gentleman
So the name is used more than once
1851 Census
Elswick, Northumberland
HO107/2404/560/4
John MIDDLETON, 32
MARGT H Middleton, 32 (1819), born Northd, Woodhead
Ellen M Middleton, 1, Daug
Mary F Middleton, 3 weeks, Daug
MARGARET HUME Briggs was Baptised 29 Sept 1818 to WILLIAM/ESTHER ELEANOR Briggs
Fathers a Gentleman
Abode Waterloo**
She has a Brother WILLIAM 1819
Burial;
WILLIAM Briggs, 29 Dec 1818, St Alban, Earsden
Age 46 (birth c 1772)
Abode Waterloo Place***
William 1819 was born 10mths after Williams Death!
William BRIGGS Married Esther Eleanor STOREY, 5 July 1817, Christ Church, Tynemouth (F/S.Org)
1841 in Waterloo Place**, Horton, Northumberland we have;
Esther Thoburn, 55, Independant
Hadessah Thoburn, 18
Hannah Thoburn, 16
Margaret Briggs, 20*****
William Briggs, 20*****
Hadassah Eleanor THOBURN and Hannah Isabella Thoburn were Baptsied 1823/1825 in Horton
Parents JAMES/ESTHER ELEANOR Thoburn
Abode Waterloo
Fathers Occp Ship Owner
Cant find Marriage for them though.
The reason I was searching this is ROBERT and WILLIAM Briggs both name a Daug Margaret Hume Briggs in 1828 and 1828
So to me they were likely Brothers
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Got to be relevant
Robert BRIGGS Married Margaret HUME, 2 October 1769,Earsdon By North Shields, Northumberland
Childrens Christenings;
BARBARA, 11 Nov 1770 (only Father Robert named)
The have Parents as ROBERT/MARGARET
WILLIAM, 27 Dec 1772 (must have died)
WILLIAM, 3 Jan 1773***
ISABELLA, 4 Jube 1775
JANE, 30 Dec 1776
ROBERT, 1 Nov 1778****
ELIZABETH, 23 Jan 1782
JOHN, 31 May 1784
(Source Familysearch.Org)
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Forgot to say welcome to Rootschat davies51 :)
From this Site;
http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/data/simple.php
Robert BRIGGS, gentleman, of Hawkhill in the county of Northumberland [Lesbury, Northumberland]
Date of probate: 28 September 1814
will, 9 February 1808 (DPR/I/1/1814/B17/1-7)
Likely the Will of Robert who married Margaret Hume.
Hawkhill links with Robert Jnrs abode when Baptisng Children after 1815 Marriage
Names his Son Robert.
You can actually read the Will online
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William BRIGGS, master mariner, of Blythe in the parish of Earsdon in the county of Northumberland [Earsdon, Northumberland]
Date of probate: 2 February 1819
will, 19 January 1818 (DPR/I/1/1819/B18/1-3)
Cheers,
Trish (in Sydney)
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Thanks for all of that. Frederick Briggs - middle name likely to have been William Died 23 Dec 1905 Melrose South Australia. I have his parents as Robert and Ann (both born about 1781) but can not verify this. I believe he may have come to Australia in about 1848 but that is a deductive guess, maybe with his grandfather, uncle or brother!!!!!
Thanks David we are talking about the same person in SA.
Jo that was helpful although I have his born about 1828. Does anyone have any information about his siblings.
It would appear every second family in Northumberland area was named Briggs!!! and all managed to have John and William in their names!!
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Hi Davies51,
All records seem to indicate his middle name is William and Trish has posted an enormous amount of relevant information for you to follow up on.
Jo :)
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From this Site;
https://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-databases.html
FW Briggs was Married twice.
MARRIAGE REG;
1856, BRIGGS, Frederick William BRIGGS/Elizabeth LEIGH, Burra, 10/36
DEATH REG;
1860 12/237, BRIGGS, Elizabeth, undefined, Burra
BIRTH REGS;
856 BRIGGS, Frederick William, Parents-Frederick William BRIGGS/Elizabeth LEIGH, Burra, 10/36
1858 BRIGGS, Harrold Hamilton*, Parents-Frederick William BRIGGS/Elizabeth LEIGH, Burra 14/406
The Parents I found for Frederick William Briggs ROBERT/ELEANOR Frances name a Child;
ISABELLA HAMILTON* Briggs, 7 April 1817
I rest my case.
Do you have his Death Cert davies51?
EDIT;
Harold Hamliton Briggs married Annie JENNINGS 1883
He died 1933, 550/366, BRIGGS Harold Hamilton, Norwood
Frederick William Briggs Jnr died 1914, Reg Frome
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Brilliant work Trish...........
Certainly "no stone unturned"!!! ;D
Annie
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Thanks to all this has been helpful but still can't find a date, ship or place he arrived in Aust.
His death is 23 Dec 1905 at Melrose South Aust. That part is not a problem.
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Awesome job Trish :)
Davies51, i think Trish was asking if you have the actual death certificate? If so can you please post the details contained in it?
Jo :)
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Thanks Jo, yes that is what I meant.
Thanks Annie for your kind words.
If this was my Family (as I have done for mine) I would be buying the 1856 M/C, the 1861 M/C and and they Death Cert of 1905.
The Hamilton link is what confirms it for me.
As to his arrival he may have arrived elsewhere and moved to Sth Australia.
Trish :)
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Hi I'm new to this chat room. I have been looking for Frederick William's death for a long time. ( He is my g-g-grandfather. Your info confirms everything I have found). My Aunt went to Melrose and told me that she had found his burial there, but I've never been able to confirm it. The only contradiction to your date is that he was described as the late F. W., when his daughter Eliza or 'Dolly"married Robert Trail Muir in Albany, in 1902. But it might be explained if he had deserted the family. He is in the SA police Gazette for desertion around the time of her birth. (They gave a desription '5ft9" sandy hair and beard slight build I think) I couldn't find a marriage record for Elizabeth and FW, but they had a daughter Frances Ann in Adelaide in 1851 3/212. She married a Williams around 1870. I have a photocopy of the marriage certificate of Mary Ann Ford nee Mc Evoy and FW 1861. My grandmother told me stories about Mary Ann and we have her photo. I also found that Hawkhill is now a B & B. You can see it on google streetview. Love to hear anything more.
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Welcome to Rootschat mariaf,
Hopefully davies51 will reply to you soon.
Although he hasnt been on Rootschat since 2015.
Just out of curiousity can you type up the details from the 1861 Marriage Cert you have please?
I also realised I made a mistake 1856 was a Birth Reg for a Son of FW and Elizabeth Briggs, not a Marriage.
I also see your Frances Ann 1851's Birth Reg now.
Trish :)
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So FW/Elizabeth have Children;
FRANCES ANN 1851
FREDERICK WILLIAM 1856
HARROLD HAMILTON 1858
FW/MARY have Children;
MARGARET 1861, died 1867
JOHN 1863
WILLIAM 1867
EDWARD 1869
ELLEN 1872, died 1872
WINNIE 1874
ELIZA 1876
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Hi, From memory
Mary Ford widow, father Thomas, F W Briggs, labourer, father Robert, married in a private house in Copurhouse, January 19th 1861,
She married John Ford, 31st May 1858 in London.
My Gt grandmother was Charlotte and I have her birthdate as 12th February 1874. (Probably Winnie)
I linked up with the Murphy family on ancestry who are descended from an unregistered sister Emily born about 1865.
Looking at my notes I'm still not convinced about the deathdate. I have a note next to it which says 65 yr old buried in the Catholic section of West Terrace Cemetery Adelaide. I don't think the catholic bit is likely at that time. Anyway love to hear anything more.
Maria
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Hi,
FW Briggs is my 4th Great Grandfather.
The Frederick William Briggs buried in West Tce Cemetery with the Death date of 24/12/1905, was aged 65 years, making his year of birth around 1840. There is a FW Briggs born in Adelaide to a Henry Briggs and Johanna Buckley in 1840, whose gravesite this most likely is.
There is, however, a Frederick Wynham Briggs buried in West Tce cemetery (gravesite unknown) with the death date of 10/12/1900, aged 74 years, making his birth year around 1825. This does fit in with the birth Year of the FW Briggs from Northumberland with Father Robert Briggs.
I was also looking into leads to Albury Western Australia as his burial place, though nothing confirmed.
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Welcome to Rootschat paulrp.
The original poster davies51 hasnt been on here since 2015 so may not reply.
The other person mariaf has been on here recently so hopefully will get back to you.
I am glad that you have cleared up FWB's Burial :)
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Hi Paulrp Davies 51 and Trish
If it is an unmarked grave it may well be a mis-transcription of William for Wyndham. The age and the year of death fits.
I think the other Frederick William may have been his son by his first wife Elizabeth Leigh.
Paul are you a descendent of Mary Ann McEvoy (Ford) or Elizabeth Leigh?
My Grandmother kept a photo of her Granny (Briggs).
If you would like a copy please let me know.
Maria
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Hi Paul
Just read your message again.
I also have Mary Ann's death certificate.(1917)
When my grandmother's family, the Nugents left Tambellup, she stayed behind in a Nursing Home, her daughter Eliza (Dolly) had married well in Albany.
Maria