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Title: James Holt - Middleton
Post by: Vote4holt on Thursday 12 November 15 22:53 GMT (UK)
James Holt was born around 1832 I believe in Middleton. He is the son of James Holt a weaver and according to the lads marriage certificate he was aged 27 in 1859 when he married in Coventry. He joined the 4th Light Dragoons in 1855. Any more info on the family would be appreciated.

Title: Re: James Holt - Middleton
Post by: KGarrad on Thursday 12 November 15 23:23 GMT (UK)
Maybe?   This from Lan-OPC.org.uk

Baptism 26th January 1834  at St Chad, Rochdale
James Holt, son of James Holt & Elizabeth
Abode: Shaw Clough
Occupation: Weaver
Title: Re: James Holt - Middleton
Post by: lancsann on Friday 13 November 15 17:04 GMT (UK)
I know the year is a bit out but is this one more likely?

Baptism: 6 Dec 1835 St Luke, Heywood, Lancashire, England
James Holt - Son of James Holt & Sarah
    Abode: Middleton
    Occupation: Weaver

There are rather a lot of James Holts in the Rochdale / Todmorden area!
Title: Re: James Holt - Middleton
Post by: Vote4holt on Friday 13 November 15 17:22 GMT (UK)
I did a search myself on familysearch org and found one for 1832
James Holt born 22 April 1832 in Rochdale
Father James (weaver) Mother Sally
This looks odds on the one I am looking for. Now I have to look up his parents.
Title: Re: James Holt - Middleton
Post by: keyboard86 on Friday 13 November 15 17:34 GMT (UK)
I did a search myself on familysearch org and found one for 1832
James Holt born 22 April 1832 in Rochdale
Father James (weaver) Mother Sally
This looks odds on the one I am looking for. Now I have to look up his parents.
:D If I was you, I would first check to find out if he is on the 1841/51 census,  when does he use pob as Middleton?
EDIT Who did he marry 1859 Coventry and where are they 1861?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: James Holt - Middleton
Post by: Vote4holt on Friday 13 November 15 17:40 GMT (UK)
Middleton was on his service record pob.
Title: Re: James Holt - Middleton
Post by: keyboard86 on Friday 13 November 15 17:47 GMT (UK)
Hi again, and I apologise, I forgot to welcome you to Rootschat, who did he marry in 1859 Coventry and where are they 1861 census?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: James Holt - Middleton
Post by: Vote4holt on Friday 13 November 15 17:59 GMT (UK)
Thank you for the welcome. James Holt married Hannah Webb in Coventry in 1859 but went to Dundalk with his regiment until he left the army in 1865. His daughter Matilda was born in Coventry in 1862 and son George in 1871 but I have no record of him on a census. His wife was in the 1881 census living with George and her daughter Matilda in Nottingham.
Title: Re: James Holt - Middleton
Post by: keyboard86 on Friday 13 November 15 18:44 GMT (UK)
Hi a bit hard to find in 1881 as you did not say Matilda had married!

1881 census

Hannah Holt 42 Married b Northamptonshire
Walter Allen 21 Son in Law b Radford
Matilda Allen 19 b Coventry
Kate Allen 0 b Notts
George Holt 8 b Notts
Maria Stevens 18 Niece b Notts
Residing Lea Street, Radford
Census ref RG11/3343/60/60
Keyboard86

Title: Re: James Holt - Middleton
Post by: keyboard86 on Friday 13 November 15 19:07 GMT (UK)
Hi again in 1891/1901 Hannah M Holt aged 52/62 b Towcester is a Widow in 1901 living with her married son George & wife Sarah
Census ref RG12/2685/125/32 RG13/3181/131/29
Keyboard86

PS who were the witnesses at the 1859 marriage?
Title: Re: James Holt - Middleton
Post by: Vote4holt on Friday 13 November 15 19:16 GMT (UK)
I would like to find out why James does not feature on the Coventry or Nottingham Census of 1871 or 1881.  Sometime after George was born in 1873 in Nottingham and up to 1881 Hannah was widowed. I can't find a burial record for James. Any ideas?
Title: Re: James Holt - Middleton
Post by: Vote4holt on Friday 13 November 15 19:20 GMT (UK)
The witnesses to the marriage were Susanne Thornton (who signed with a cross) and Geo Jeayes. I know Hannah was in Service when she married James.
Title: Re: James Holt - Middleton
Post by: keyboard86 on Friday 13 November 15 19:38 GMT (UK)
OK will look some more, who is the "Niece" Maria Stevens aged 18 b Notts in 1881, ie whose Niece James or Hannah's?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: James Holt - Middleton
Post by: Vote4holt on Friday 13 November 15 19:59 GMT (UK)
I have no idea my friend.
Title: Re: James Holt - Middleton
Post by: keyboard86 on Friday 13 November 15 20:12 GMT (UK)
 ;D May be worthwhile then looking into just who she is!

In a similar fashion in 1881 Hannah Holt has 2 Boarders Mary A Woodward aged 10 and Edward Woodward aged 8 both born Notts,  in 1891 Hannah M aged 52 is living with a widowed William Woodward 45 b Calverton, Notts
Keyboard86
Title: Re: James Holt - Middleton
Post by: genielynau on Wednesday 29 June 16 12:48 BST (UK)
Geo Jeayes the witness to the marriage was probably my ancestor who was a parish clerk in Coventry.

regards

Lyn