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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: eyshame on Tuesday 03 November 15 13:20 GMT (UK)
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I am having problems finding out just which churches there was in or near to Ferryhill in 1870. A Catholic relation was born in Ferryhill in 1870 and apparently there were no Catholic churches in Ferryhill at that time.
I have been told that a Catholic family would have baptised a child at the nearest Anglican church - is this correct? if so which church would it be? How much did it cost to baptise a child back then?
This family is proving very difficult to find.
Thanks in advance.
E.
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Here are the CofE Parishes according to date
http://www.durhamrecordoffice.org.uk/Pages/AdvancedSearchPlaceNamesResults.aspx?SearchType=PlaceParam&SearchID=aeccbce9-1d5b-4597-9fd5-aa2130587800
The All Saints Catholic Church was built and opened on June 21st 1927.
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How much did it cost to baptise a child back then?
The Church of England has never charged fees for Baptisms, (unlike weddings and funerals) Under Ecclesiastical law no fee can be charged for the administration of Sacraments, and I assume the Roman Catholic Church was the same.
The Baptismal Fees Abolition Act was passed in 1872, under which no fee can be charged for baptism notwithstanding any ancient custom to the contrary. The purpose of this act was to make the law clear in respect of fees for baptisms or for registering baptisms, it appeared that fees were being charged in some parishes, and it was intended to put an end to this system.
Stan
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I have been told that a Catholic family would have baptised a child at the nearest Anglican church - is this correct?
If they were strict and devout Catholics then I think that's extremely unlikely. The Roman Catholic church does not accept the validity of Anglican orders (ie does not accept that Church of England ministers are properly ordained), and is always keen for the children of its members to be brought up under its own influence - often in a very exclusive way.
C of E teaching is that in an emergency, baptism can be administered by anyone at all (eg a midwife); I think this may be RC teaching too (but I'm not sure), in which case they would (grudgingly?) accept an emergency baptism performed by a C of E minister as being better than none at all. However, in normal circumstances I think the stricter teaching would apply.
On the other hand... not all Catholics stick rigidly to the letter of the law at all times, and particularly if one parent was a non-Catholic, you might need to consider the possibility of a baptism elsewhere.
In a nutshell, never say never, but I think there are more likely possibilities.
Arthur
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Is your enquiry related to the baptism of John Kavanagh in 1870?
If so, you've already got some threads on that topic with various suggestions made about possible baptism places :-\
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I tried Durham Records office without success. I was told to go research myself and if I found the church then go or phone back.
Thanks Stan, didn't know that.
They were both Irish Catholics so would look for the nearest Catholic church I would assume but I was also told if there wasn't one near they would travel but where too? I cannot locate a Catholic church that they might use. I was also told they would have the baptism in an Anglican church so that looks like false info now.
Jen B, I couldn't locate any previous threads relating to churches in Ferryhill and it has been a long time since I posted here. Could you point me in the direction of those posts as I need to re-read them.
Very many thanks for the responces everyone.
E.
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If you cklick on Profile at the top of the message board, on the left hand side you will see under Summary "Show Posts" if you click on this you will see all the posts you have made.
Stan
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Very many thanks Stan.
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I don't have 'show posts' Stan under Profile, only account settings and forum profile. Cannot find show posts. Lost again.
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You must have a profile for RootsChat and this will show
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Alternatively, click on your username which shows top left of any of your postings. On the new window that opens you will see 'Show Posts' just underneath your avatar.
Click on this and you'll get all your postings in chronological order :)
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You can see your posts at http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=100914
Stan
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Many thanks JenB, that was helpful. Unfortunately I did't have the items Stan mentioned.
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The original enquiry on this thread has now been repeated on this one :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=702836.msg5457721#msg5457721 (reply #9)
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Not sure if I am to continue in this thread or start a new one but I am sure someone will be able to tell me if I am doing this wrong.
Had an e-mail about a Thomas Cavana born in Blaydon, no idea of year as I don't know how to read these census records as yet. As I cannot seem to attach the census record to show I can say that the census is numbered as RG11/4947 and it lists Thomas Cavana as a visitor with another Thomas listed underneath the first Thomas, however this second Thomas has no surname only ?nR written in place of surname.
This may throw a spanner in the works. I cannot look further as I do not know the date of this census to look up a birth - can anyone help please? This Thomas may be visiting an uncle or other relation.
This is the first time I have known of a Thomas Cavana born in this area. Since the census is in Lanchester and my Thomas was married there it may prove interesting if I can follow it up.
Thanks for any help.
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It is the 1881 Census RG11; Piece: 4947; Folio: 34; Page: 63
this second Thomas has no surname only ?nR written in place of surname.
It means his surname is not recorded.
Stan
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Thomas Cavana was born in Blaydon, and Thomas ?NR in Ireland. They were visiting Hugh Langton, born in Ireland, living in Esh.
Stan
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I cannot look further as I do not know the date of this census to look up a birth -
Thanks for any help.
1841 HO107
1851 HO107
1861 RG9
1871 RG10
1881 RG11
1891 RG12
1901 RG13
Stan
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Very man thanks Stan so appreciated.
I think I grasp your second reply - as in the first two letters and numbers denotes the year of the census?
Thanks, I didn't know that.
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The Catholic church in Cornforth was built around 1875; prior to this Catholics would have gone to the Catholic chapel in Foundry Row, Coxhoe which was formerly used by Primitive Methodists