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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: Watermelon on Monday 02 November 15 13:36 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I typed in the address that I know my family were living in 1939 and their street number 46 was missing? Does anyone know if that is because a lot of information is missing as standard?
Thanks all
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I typed in my Grandfather name, I know where they lived and he was under a wrong surname ???
Funny his wife had the right surname? Doesn't look good.
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hello I did a name search and found my family at a different address in Wembley. However, they still didn't have 46 which was standing as a house at that time
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if there was no-one at a particular address on Registration Night it won't appear in the register at all. It is also possible that the only inhabitants were under 24, and not recorded as deceased, in which case their records would be closed, including the address. I was looking at some of the addresses where I have lived, and this is the case with two of them. The records for the .houses on either side are visible
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FindMyPast's FAQ's give other reasons
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/frequently-asked-questions
click onto "the 1939 register coming soon" for the questions and answers
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thanks I will, I also need to update their records as it seems a lot of the records are closed assuming people are still alive, I have four closed records and I know that only one person is still with us
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thanks I will, I also need to update their records as it seems a lot of the records are closed assuming people are still alive, I have four closed records and I know that only one person is still with us
As long as you have their death certs you can apply to have those records opened.
I did for both my dad who died in 1970 (and I thought should have had his records opened already) and my mum who died in 2009.
It was very simple to click on the file in the document file on my computer and forward both certs.
They then email you and say they will look into it,but it may take up to 10 days.
Carol
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if there was no-one at a particular address on Registration Night it won't appear in the register at all. It is also possible that the only inhabitants were under 24, and not recorded as deceased, in which case their records would be closed, including the address. I was looking at some of the addresses where I have lived, and this is the case with two of them. The records for the .houses on either side are visible
Pedantic, I know, but the address itself isn't closed, just the details of the people there.
If you find the preview of a neighbour, then amend the number at the end of the web address (i.e. change 20 to 19 or 21) to work your way along the street, you will see the record appear, but with just dashes rather than the details. Also the top will just say "Household" rather than (for instance) "Smith Household". You can then see how many people are in that household.
As for a missing address in searches, if you look at the JPG that Guy put on the main thread, you will see that the address is in the first column and is only shown on the record for the head of household. If that person is redacted, the redaction INCLUDES the address column, meaning that the address as well as all subsequent details are witheld. So even if other householders ARE visible, the address will not appear in address searches.
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My Gran comes up on the search, but grandad Percy is listed as Mercy.
There are 2 more people on the record and 4 hidden. The four hidden will be my ma and her sibs.
But - and here is the query- my Aunt who was born 1928 and married 1950, is there under her married name with her maiden name in brackets and her birth year as 1928.
Can someone shine a light for me please, I know- just bite the bullet and pay for it :-\
Also if someone comes up and no other details are listed, does this mean they were sole occupier?
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Any suggestions how to "locate" a person born 1922 who was not with her parents. I would like to register her death (2012) with Findmypast but as I do not know with whom or where she was living I cannot work out how to do this.
I cannot see anything in FindMyPast FAQs.
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From the FAQ's, under "what if I notice an officially closed record etc...."
You will need to conduct a search for that person on the site to find the record. If you cannot find a person you believe is recorded in the Register, the record may be officially closed.
You need to prove that individuals listed in the records are deceased in order to submit your request to us and for the record(s) to be opened. We can only accept a copy of an official death certificate (issued by the General Register Office or overseas equivalent) so please ensure you have this documentation before proceeding. The only suitable form of evidence is an official death certificate (files supported: .jpg, .png, .gif). If we do not receive this valid proof of death, we will be unable to proceed with a search.
You can find more information about providing proof of death here.
Additional information can be provided such as siblings, occupation, evacuee or any other relevant information that may help us to search the data.
have you tried to find her under a married name?
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Dawn do you know if in the case of a married woman (death and marriage occured in USA) would proof be needed of both to open a record ,she was born in 1919.
Not that I can find her or her family mind you!
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But - and here is the query- my Aunt who was born 1928 and married 1950, is there under her married name with her maiden name in brackets and her birth year as 1928.
Can someone shine a light for me please, I know- just bite the bullet and pay for it :-\
It does seem a bit random as to whether they are indexed under their maiden name with their married name in brackets or visa versa. Have seen both.
I assume she is showing because she is no longer with us (pre-1991)
Also if someone comes up and no other details are listed, does this mean they were sole occupier?
If it doesn't mention others (either as being there or hidden), then they are the only person in the household - could be a multi-household house, so not strictly "sole occupier"
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Dawn do you know if in the case of a married woman (death and marriage occured in USA) would proof be needed of both to open a record ,she was born in 1919.
Not that I can find her or her family mind you!
FindMyPast and TNA say that a death certificate issued in the correct jurisdiction is required if death occured outside of E&W, they don't mention anything about marriage certs.
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I still cannot establish a process for sending a death certificate for to FindMyPast for a record that is officially closed when I cannot find out the household in which that person was residing.
I may be missing something but I am hoping someone can spell it out to me.
Please and thank you.
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You just click on update the record(once you have paid to view it of course) and then you can upload a death cert to them from your computer.
Oops sorry I missed the bit where you said you can't find them.
In which case I don't think it's possible until you can find where they were.
I have a lady that I can't find and I'm going to diarise it to come back an try again in a couple of weeks.
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You're going to be stuck, sorry.
Because the information would be closed, without knowing the address they were at when the register was taken, FindMyPast or TNA wouldn't be able to open the record.
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But - and here is the query- my Aunt who was born 1928 and married 1950, is there under her married name with her maiden name in brackets and her birth year as 1928.
Can someone shine a light for me please, I know- just bite the bullet and pay for it :-\
It does seem a bit random as to whether they are indexed under their maiden name with their married name in brackets or visa versa. Have seen both.
I assume she is showing because she is no longer with us (pre-1991)
Also if someone comes up and no other details are listed, does this mean they were sole occupier?
If it doesn't mention others (either as being there or hidden), then they are the only person in the household - could be a multi-household house, so not strictly "sole occupier"
Many thanks for the reply. Yes my aunt died in the early 80s. But why would her married name show, as she did not marry until 1950. Does that mean someone has added information to her details?
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You're going to be stuck, sorry.
Because the information would be closed, without knowing the address they were at when the register was taken, FindMyPast or TNA wouldn't be able to open the record.
I had a feeling that would be the answer - shall have to wait until 2022 to find out who had given her a home.
Thanks again
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Many thanks for the reply. Yes my aunt died in the early 80s. But why would her married name show, as she did not marry until 1950. Does that mean someone has added information to her details?
Yes, those details were added up to c.1991 apparently.
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I found my paternal grandparents. They were listed in Blackburn, when in fact they were in Blackpool. :o
Blackpool is on the image, so some careless transcribing!
Also on the image there are some dates in green. I know two are death dates. Unfortunately there is no year visible ??? Good job I have the death certs. so have this info.
Kooky
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There are a few rellies I cannot find, I know their DOB's from birth certs and they died long after 1939. As said, could be gross mistranscribing, or they were abroad or even missed the register for some reason.
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I have just posted on another thread that my Gran was transcribed with my Mother's married name, and her second name not her Christian name. I used the TNA numbers as dawnsh suggested, so she wasn't really missing.
rayard.
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I must admit, I am having a hard time trying to understand why a record is redacted. For someone born, say, in 1931 who is still alive or died after 1991, I am not allowed to see the address he/she lived at in 1939, his/her date of birth and his/her occupation.
At the same time, I can easily find that persons birth registration, order a copy of the birth certificate to get date of birth and parents names, I can find and purchase a marriage certificate for that person and get their occupation (albeit a few years later), I can also freely get details of any children they had. I can also probably get their address from electoral registers of the period (not to mention details of other people of voting age at that address).
All the information in this register is available now, so why is it redacted in this one document (to me it also begs the question why is this 1939 data so important?)?
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See Guy Etchells replies here as to why the information is redacted
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=730024.msg5794174#msg5794174
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=734302.msg5796776#msg5796776
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=734467.msg5798544#msg5798544