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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: andycand on Monday 02 November 15 00:44 GMT (UK)
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I have just done a search on the 1939 Register and got to the Preview stage (I haven't tried to unlock yet) but the person I searched for married in 1940 and the preview has both married and maiden surname which is good
Andy
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I tried about 5 mins ago and it was throwing an error. The page was n't there.
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I tried about 5 mins ago and it was throwing an error. The page was n't there.
That's it's busy message. Usually goes through 2nd or 3rd try.
Tried about ten searches and none of them show up ???
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Not so far very impressed with their indexing, they've got my grandfather's middle intial completely wrong which makes you wonder how if the record is supposed to include full names, and my grandmother has acquired a second middle initial. :-\ Mind you I tried my grandfather without his middle initial but with birth year and he still didn't show up even though the birth year on their index is correct. :-X Only found them searching on my grandmother's name.
The annoying thing is that there are three people redacted from the entry, two I know, the other is a mystery which we may never find out since if they were only a child it will be years before they appear. ::) May have to phone up my uncle and see if he can remember anything, albeit he wasn't that old when it was taken.
Was the residency criteria for entry under a particular address based on the individual actually residing there on a permanent basis rather than just visiting?
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My other grandfather's middle name is a new variation on the spelling of a family surname. I've not seen it spelt that way before and it has been spelt on Census in some weird and wonderful ways. ::) I'd love to see how the names have been entered on the Register, it could well be something to do with the writing of the person who entered up the Registers, but I don't see the point of paying for information I already have so shall wait for the price to drop somewhat.
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I had another go and my walsall was n't showing up but looks like only part of stafford street is on. So then i tried searching for my other grandfather and i found him by putting less info in. Well it gives me granfather, 3 more who are unlocked and 7 officially closed. Well all my aunts and uncles who were living there have died and know he took lodgers in and got had for overcrowding.Tried to unlock and pay, all looked good for go and then got an error message up, will inform the team it said. Like i got at the beginning. So it should be gran and grandad and there are 11 kids but obviouly some have flown. I think one may be in the forces. That'll be fun trying to unlock them! I've got some of the certs.Wonder what find mypast wil do wth the evidence after they finish with it.
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I've looked up my grandparents who were all young children in 1939 (the oldest being my paternal grandfather, who was nine at the time) and apart from a few birthdays and addresses I haven't really found anything new although I didn't expect too. Some of my relatives aren't shown even though they died many years ago - my paternal grandmother, for example, who died in 1998.
Stephen :)
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Some of my relatives aren't shown even though they died many years ago - my paternal grandmother, for example, who died in 1998.
Stephen :)
If they were born after 1915 then only those who died before 1991 in England & Wales (I'm not sure about Scotland or Northern Ireland)are unredacted.
Andy
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Out of five siblings who all died well before 1991 but were born after 1915, I can only find one visible in the index. Out of the other four, two died overseas during the war and the other two died in England. :-\ Its possible that one or other of them had already signed up but two would have been under age at the start of the war.
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The title says it all, the 1939 Register is open. ;)
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Just to follow up:
For those who have a discount code, you have to enter the code before you go through the purchase process. There's a box to the bottom right which - at least on my laptop - was below the 'fold' of the page, so I missed it at first.
Enter your code there, and the middle of the three options for packages (5 households) should change in price. There is also a 15 household package available, but my code only changed the 5 household package.
Another thing to watch out for -
I received my code for the Irish version of the site (I often log in to different versions so that defaults make life easier for me). I tried using the code on the .uk site and it said the code had expired. Once I'd gone to .ie, it worked without a problem.
The image is of the whole page, though names that haven't been cleared are redacted. This bodes well for people researching streets of villages with some careful name selection.
Aside from the expected information, the image shows one column of the second page of the spread. There are notes here that appear to all be regarding later war service. On my page I have, an ARP member, a WAAF, a member of the Royal Observer corps, and a member of the Merchant Navy Reserve.
Where someone has married afterwards, maiden names are crossed out and the new name written above.
I'm yet to explore the other features, but will update so it's laid out for you all when you wake up.
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Tried the 1939 Register for the first time. It is still Sunday in USA. Did a lot of homework in anticipation of getting onto the site. Despite my concerns that the site may be overloaded everything went very well. As predicted there is both father and son both Medical Doctors, both Rolf Creasy, one living in Rustington (Worthing) Sussex and the other in the Totnes area of Devon. From Electoral Registers I knew that the one I wanted was the father living in the Worthing area so selected him.
Put my credit card details in and it took a few seconds to get me my image. So now I have his birth day. For a person born in Colombo, Ceylon and no traceable records in Ceylon, and who died in 1948 prior to birth dates on Death Certificates I had previously given up hope. Received his second wife’s birth date too as well as their servant’s.
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The site is very flaky, even launching in the middle of the night UK time. I'm getting an awful lot of error messages, at various points e.g. initial search results, trying to preview an entry, trying to buy credits/unlock an entry, trying to view an image. Usually reloading one or more times sorts it out though. And I don't seem to have inadvertently spent my credits twice.
I'm quite surprised by how much useful information I've got in this. Examples include:
- Finding my g-grandfather in Leeds, getting valuable info on him - he was estranged from my granddad so we didn't really know anything about him circa 1939, even if he was still alive
- Learning that my husband's g-grandparents on a farm had 2 land girls staying with them
- Discovering that my husband's Norfolk grandfather was in the local fire service in 1939, just like my granddad in southern Scotland
- Finding my other Yorkshire g-grandfather with what looks like wife #3, and then using that info to finally trace his/her marriage record in FreeBMD
I was also impressed by how full the pages are. Even with lots of entries closed (like my Dad's, aunt's, and my husband's uncle - all still living, in their 80s) you get names of lots of neighbours at the time. Which is really nice. I emailed the relevant pages to my octogenarian relatives, so they can see some names that might bring back memories for them.
On the downside I still can't find my husband's paternal grandparents in the 1939 Register. Goodness only knows quite how they've been recorded and/or transcribed! I think his granddad was also active in the war locally in some capacity, maybe an ambulanceman. Would like to see! Maybe I'll find them in future though.
But yes, pleased with what I found. Far more useful than I thought it would be - I didn't honestly expect it to tell me anything new or terribly interesting. Shame the site is struggling so much though. Goodness only knows what it will be like come UK daytime.
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I've tried searching for 4 different family members now that would have been less than 100 years old.
Unfortunately none of them show up in searches at all. I was under the impression that a preview would at least show that we'd found the correct person.
I'm not really sure how we can go about unredacting records, if we can't find them in the first place.
I've sent off an email that will hopefully shed some light on this.
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Sleepless night so thought I would take the opportunity to search for grandparents and great grandparents.
Impressed by the information that is available, the maps and original transcripts.
However a word of warning: there are a lot of errors in transcriptions. My grandfather's name was completely different despite on the original I was able to read as it should do.
Kerryb
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Just accessed the index, not impressed with the many name transcriptions that are incomplete. Still searching for grandparents with no luck :(
Jane
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What not to do #1: looked for my Dad. Forgot he (only) died in 1997 so is redacted and therefore doesn't show up in the search results
Place names seem to be based on parliamentary consistencies or something like boroughs s e.g Hounslow comes under Heston & Isleworth MB, Hanwell comes under Ealing MB
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The on line 1939 National Register exceeds my expectations in some ways and disappoints in others..
Very quick and easy to search.
The “0riginal image for a household gives not only 1 household but for the address I looked at 60 Holly Walk, Leamington Spa all the households on the page from 54 to 62,
Handy for those who are interested in a village or area of a town.
Some women have their surnames annotated with an additional name in green ink (perhaps a maiden name or a later marriage I haven’t checked that.)
You can also check by address but this is rather odd not all the numbers follow sequentially.
In the main they run odd number first then even numbers, but they seem to have some additional odd numbers between the run of odds and evens and extra even numbers at the end of the evens (possibly late returns).
In my entry of interest there are three redacted people are they family or other people visiting at the time or servants.
An interest entry comes between who I know is the householder and his wife.
From looking carefully at the redaction I suspect it could be their son who was a possibly cadet in 1939.
The second redaction is possibly Nellie Hitcox who according to my FoI request is deceased.
Leaving one other mystery person at the house.
All the children of the family are now deceased, their son JPH Guy was killed in the war and the three daughters died in 1966,1998 and 2004 respectively.
Looks like I will have to send some scans of death certs to FindMyPast.
Cheers
Guy
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It seems that married women are indexed under their married name rather than their maiden name
Cheers
Guy
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Not bought any credits
Despite vbeing a subscriber have no vouchers for discount
Just doing searches
My late uncle and aunt both show up with birth year both 1 year early!
Another late aunt is there with birth year given as 1910, should be 1924!
Will not know until I eventually see these what has happened
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Oh dear, getting the "We're having a few technical difficulties" message. Got this several times yesterday evening just doing some census searches
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Just popped in to say I like the way the transcriptions are laid out. I hope they can do something similar for all the censuses at some point.
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How strange - Viewed my grandmother with my mother and aunt. My aunt and mother's surnames have been crossed out and replaced with the surnames of their future husbands who they didn't marry until 1858 and 1947 ???? They hadn't met them by 1939
Kay
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Well, better than I thought it would be ::)
However, the first entry I checked, my parents, has my mother Doris, as Norris :o and male!
How do I suggest a correction?
Also my great grandmother Ann Clulo is transcribed as Ann Blulb! :-X
Kooky
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I have not as yet bought any credits but am seeing everyone indexed that I have searched for so far who died before 1991.
My mothers sister who died in 1995 is showing complete with her married surname in brackets. I was expecting to have to get her redacted ;D
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From a very popular previous thread here ( over 30 pages when closed) I was under the impression that present subscribers were being offered 25% discount.
I have only been offered 10%, subscriber since last December. I have written an email,but don't suppose I'll get a quick reply. Anyone else only been offered 10%?
Margaret
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Found my grandfather and grandmother. Have been searching for over 8 years to try and find my grandmother pre 1901. This is the first year that I can find her. We do not have a birth certificate for her and I have been told by a daughter and several grandchildren that her birthdate was 14 July 1880 or 1881. 1939 Register provides a birth date of 14 July 1883. Allows me to further explore census and birth records to try and find her, using 1883 as a search year.
Record was reasonably easy to find.
Kaybron
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How strange - Viewed my grandmother with my mother and aunt. My aunt and mother's surnames have been crossed out and replaced with the surnames of their future husbands who they didn't marry until 1858 and 1947 ???? They hadn't met them by 1939
Kay
These records were kept up to date until 1991, so that is to be expected
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Really nice to hear this type of success story. Hopefully you will now be on a roll finding more information on her. :)
I have not tried to 'unlock' anyone yet. But as mentioned previously I like the way the information has been laid out.
I'm not sure how FindMyPast have deduced that the 5 household bundle is is 'most popular' as the payment plans have not not long been announced!
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My father and his brother who both died long before 1991 appear to have been redacted anyway. I do have both death certificates though.
Every record I've looked at so far has a transcription error :-X
I like the map that pinpoints the address - very helpful.
No more till Friday now. (Credit card statement date ;D ;D ;D)
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Weirdly I couldn't find my grandad who died in 1996 but my nan who died in 2002 is on the register. I am thinking he wasn't at home. Needs more searching!
Kerryb
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Are you a monthly subscriber?
Apparently, only annual subscribers qualify for 25%
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From a very popular previous thread here ( over 30 pages when closed) I was under the impression that present subscribers were being offered 25% discount.
I have only been offered 10%, subscriber since last December. I have written an email,but don't suppose I'll get a quick reply. Anyone else only been offered 10%?
Margaret
Apparently FindMyPast are still sending emails out to subscribers I have seen reports some were sent last night/early this morning.
Have you checked you junk mail folder to ensure it has not been transferred to that?
Cheers
Guy
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I've been a subscriber for a couple of years or more and I've only been offered 10% for registering an interest. I think it's because I don't auto renew my subscription. ( I don't think they offer monthly subscriptions any more , do they ? ).
Christine
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I must register disappointment that the record for anyone deemed to possibly still be alive has been made inaccessible, including one of mine who would be 96 if he were still living. The onus is on US to pay for a death certificate and then a 25pound fee to get it all sorted out. And only the death cert will do, not an obit. No thanks. They have the death records for most of these people already.
I am annoyed because this restriction was not included in all the advertising and hype that preceded the release. They made it sound like you would be able to see everything. They also made it look like you would get photos and newspaper reports included, but I doubt very much if that is the case. If anyone gets any, please post!
I wonder if they will update this annually so as to allow unrestricted access to those who would be 100 years old if alive.
The only one that I looked up so far, which would have included the person born in 1919, was very difficult to find as the surname of the next door neighbour (whose name is known to me)was used instead. I went through the address directory instead, in order to track them down.
So, two strikes, and so far not worth it to me. It's very expensive, especially if you won't get the entire family grouping as advertised, so I will wait until I have a few families that are really worth my while to look up.
With so many errors, I really have to wonder how did they ever manage conscription? I know that 2 people in this household where the surname is wrong were conscripted, so how did they identify them? Surely the children (whom I'm not allowed to see), whom I know were conscripted, were not given different surnames to the parents?
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I don't think they offer monthly subscriptions any more , do they ?
Christine
Hmm, no doesn't look like it. My last monthly was in Nov 14, but maybe they continued it for existing subscribers. However, there are going to better people placed to know that than me.
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What not to do #1: looked for my Dad. Forgot he (only) died in 1997 so is redacted and therefore doesn't show up in the search results
Lol !!
what not to do no 2 : I searched for my grandfather for well over half hour , I even did an address search - and me cursing away at findmypast as I know exactly where they lived -why isn't he coming up in my results stupid @#X@ FindMyPast !!!-Then I remembered, he is still in Ireland and didn't move there until the late 50's when my mum and siblings were teenagers lol - what was I thinking?? - My excuse is that I got carried away in the excitement of the moment. lol ;D
I found everyone else that should be there easy enough, except for one set of my hubby's grandparents - and I know where they were, so I don't know why they are not coming up in my search.
I haven't bought any records, I'll wait until the price drops (hopefully) as there's really no rush for me as I know where the families were and what they were doing in 1939
I'm prepared to wait it out - same as most records that came down in price in the past
Kind Regards
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I must register disappointment that the record for anyone deemed to possibly still be alive has been made inaccessible, including one of mine who would be 96 if he were still living. The onus is on US to pay for a death certificate and then a 25pound fee to get it all sorted out. And only the death cert will do, not an obit. No thanks. They have the death records for most of these people already.
What makes you think you have to pay a £25 fee to get it sorted out, FindMyPast will open the name on the register if you send them a scan of the death certificate
I am annoyed because this restriction was not included in all the advertising and hype that preceded the release. They made it sound like you would be able to see everything. They also made it look like you would get photos and newspaper reports included, but I doubt very much if that is the case. If anyone gets any, please post!
FindMyPast have to abide by the law, put in place by Tony Blair's labour government. If it was not for that laww every single name on the 1939 national Register would be open to view.
If you want to blame someone please blame the right person/people.
I wonder if they will update this annually so as to allow unrestricted access to those who would be 100 years old if alive.
No they are updating it weekly by all accounts.
The only one that I looked up so far, which would have included the person born in 1919, was very difficult to find as the surname of the next door neighbour (whose name is known to me)was used instead. I went through the address directory instead, in order to track them down.
So, two strikes, and so far not worth it to me. It's very expensive, especially if you won't get the entire family grouping as advertised, so I will wait until I have a few families that are really worth my while to look up.
With so many errors, I really have to wonder how did they ever manage conscription? I know that 2 people in this household where the surname is wrong were conscripted, so how did they identify them? Surely the children (whom I'm not allowed to see), whom I know were conscripted, were not given different surnames to the parents?
As with any record it is only as accurate as the information given.
Don't forget like most of the censuses the information was written on a schedule then transffered to the register later.
That gives at least two chances of errors to creep in.
Also by scanning in colour we can see later amedments to the information.
Cheers
Guy
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How strange - Viewed my grandmother with my mother and aunt. My aunt and mother's surnames have been crossed out and replaced with the surnames of their future husbands who they didn't marry until 1858 and 1947 ???? They hadn't met them by 1939
Kay
These records were kept up to date until 1991, so that is to be expected
Thanks - It was the only such change I have come across
Kay
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Some of my relatives aren't shown even though they died many years ago - my paternal grandmother, for example, who died in 1998.
Stephen :)
If they were born after 1915 then only those who died before 1991 in England & Wales (I'm not sure about Scotland or Northern Ireland)are unredacted.
Andy
It's annoying when people who you know to have died in the 1990's aren't shown ::)
I wonder if they can be unlocked if you provide a Death Cert?
Romilly.
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Searched in vain for my family in Caithness Drive, Crosby. A stretch of the street from 22 to 42 appears to be missing.
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The on line 1939 National Register exceeds my expectations in some ways and disappoints in others..
Very quick and easy to search.
The “0riginal image for a household gives not only 1 household but for the address I looked at 60 Holly Walk, Leamington Spa all the households on the page from 54 to 62,
Handy for those who are interested in a village or area of a town.
Some women have their surnames annotated with an additional name in green ink (perhaps a maiden name or a later marriage I haven’t checked that.)
You can also check by address but this is rather odd not all the numbers follow sequentially.
In the main they run odd number first then even numbers, but they seem to have some additional odd numbers between the run of odds and evens and extra even numbers at the end of the evens (possibly late returns).
In my entry of interest there are three redacted people are they family or other people visiting at the time or servants.
An interest entry comes between who I know is the householder and his wife.
From looking carefully at the redaction I suspect it could be their son who was a possibly cadet in 1939.
The second redaction is possibly Nellie Hitcox who according to my FoI request is deceased.
Leaving one other mystery person at the house.
All the children of the family are now deceased, their son JPH Guy was killed in the war and the three daughters died in 1966,1998 and 2004 respectively.
Looks like I will have to send some scans of death certs to FindMyPast.
Cheers
Guy
Guy,-
The additional Surname in green ink for Married Women must relate to later Marriages... My Grandmother has her Surname from her Second Marriage added, - although this didn't take place until 1952! (She was still Married to my Grandfather in 1939).
Romilly.
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I wonder if they can be unlocked if you provide a Death Cert?
Romilly.
Yes, is the answer to that and I believe that a scan is acceptable, you don't have to send a paper copy.
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Many Thanks Groom.
However, the Site appears to have crashed now ::) ::)
Romilly
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Their idea of name variants seems a bit odd.
Looking for my father's cousin surname Eltham with no success, so I ticked the variants box and it came up with.
Far?Ll (E), Lyth (E) and Slavko,Saric,Sar?E-Slavko as possibly variants!
But I have found a little mystery.
My grandfather was the landlord of a pub in a village in Berkshire from 1924 until the early 1950's. In the 1939 register, my grandmother is at the pub, but my grandfather is in Northumberland. The only other occupant of the Northumberland house is a lady a few years younger than him. I haven't yet bought credits to see the details, but that what comes up on the free preview. The lady's name isn't familiar at all.
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I'm a monthly subscriber and have been since 2013; previously I used to pay annually.
I was only offered 10% and contacted them by phone after reading that other people had received 25% but apparently the larger discount is only been offered to annual subscribers - could make a fuss I suppose.
Nesta
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revisiting the entry where my mother Doris is mistranscribed as Norris!
Technical difficulties! 8)
Have just seen an edit button, but it won't let me any further! :-\
Kooky
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I must register disappointment that the record for anyone deemed to possibly still be alive has been made inaccessible, including one of mine who would be 96 if he were still living. The onus is on US to pay for a death certificate and then a 25pound fee to get it all sorted out. And only the death cert will do, not an obit. No thanks. They have the death records for most of these people already.
What makes you think you have to pay a £25 fee to get it sorted out, FindMyPast will open the name on the register if you send them a scan of the death certificate
I am annoyed because this restriction was not included in all the advertising and hype that preceded the release. They made it sound like you would be able to see everything. They also made it look like you would get photos and newspaper reports included, but I doubt very much if that is the case. If anyone gets any, please post!
FindMyPast have to abide by the law, put in place by Tony Blair's labour government. If it was not for that laww every single name on the 1939 national Register would be open to view.
If you want to blame someone please blame the right person/people.
I wonder if they will update this annually so as to allow unrestricted access to those who would be 100 years old if alive.
No they are updating it weekly by all accounts.
The only one that I looked up so far, which would have included the person born in 1919, was very difficult to find as the surname of the next door neighbour (whose name is known to me)was used instead. I went through the address directory instead, in order to track them down.
So, two strikes, and so far not worth it to me. It's very expensive, especially if you won't get the entire family grouping as advertised, so I will wait until I have a few families that are really worth my while to look up.
With so many errors, I really have to wonder how did they ever manage conscription? I know that 2 people in this household where the surname is wrong were conscripted, so how did they identify them? Surely the children (whom I'm not allowed to see), whom I know were conscripted, were not given different surnames to the parents?
As with any record it is only as accurate as the information given.
Don't forget like most of the censuses the information was written on a schedule then transffered to the register later.
That gives at least two chances of errors to creep in.
Also by scanning in colour we can see later amedments to the information.
Cheers
Guy
Regarding the 25 pound fee: I followed the links they offered to get the info unlocked, and was directed to a National Archives site where it said there was this fee. I closed the window rather quickly, as I was dismayed, so if there is a way around it I didn't see it.
I don't have the death certificate, so that would be another cost, to give them info that they already have, as he died in England, the name is unmistakable, and it is properly recorded and easily accessible. They ought to be willing to accept obituaries. National Archives in Canada accepts obituaries. And then I have to pay findmypast for the record. A very expensive operation.
On the other hand, since they are convinced that his surname is not what it in fact is, I doubt I have a hope in Hades of convincing them that he has died. If I'm still alive in 2019, I'll look into it again.
If later amendments include the correct surnames, then we should be able to find them through the indexing, which I was unable to do.
I have never lived in Britain and do not have an intimate knowledge of who enacted what legislation when. I only know that findmypast is responsible for its own advertising, which I find misleading, and, thus, my comment is directed to them. I was actually surprised when this advertising appeared, as I didn't expect names to be released of people who might reasonably still be alive. So they raised my expectations and I do feel that it was misleading.
Glad to hear they are updating weekly.
loo
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I was offered 25%, but it was from Find My Past ie.As my sub has lapsed it won't let me do it.
Anyway it is in Euros! ::)
Kooky
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I'm a monthly subscriber and have been since 2013; previously I used to pay annually.
I was only offered 10% and contacted them by phone after reading that other people had received 25% but apparently the larger discount is only been offered to annual subscribers - could make a fuss I suppose.
Nesta
I'm an annual subscriber and have been for years, I haven't been offered a 25% discount. Only a 10% because I signed up to receive information - just the same as a non-subscriber.
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From their facebook page
Findmypast Hi Sharon, Findmypast subscribers get 25% off a bundle - you can read the pricing structure here:
I will now be complaining - am taking a screen shot now in case it gets removed.
Nesta
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One of my relatives has the wrong middle initial and is listed with two surnames...one of her future husband who she hadn't yet met :-X
I haven't bought any credits yet and am not sure I will at this stage :-\
Carol
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The image quality is poor and while it will download Windows will not open it because it it to large or is corrupted. Also the report poor image option appears to be broken and the report fails with an error.
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Not impressed; unable to see "original images" and their reporting system is not working.
I am not surprised. ::)
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I haven't bought any records yet but it is very useful just as a free resource. You can search through a street and preview each house and see an occupier's name. I expected my grandmother's family to be at a certain address. They weren't there but kept clicking and found them at another house in the same street. Grandmother was listed differently so I couldn't find her at first. She had a mis-transcribed version of a later marriage surname followed by her then married surname.
Blue
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If my mum was still alive she would be 100, and if my dad was still alive he would be 99.
My mum died 40 years ago, should I be able to see their names?
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I think it will depend on when dad died.
As far as I can make out, if they died after 1991, then their deaths were not noted in the database.
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I got 2 households for the price of one, (on original document) as my great grandparents lived next door to my grandparents, which was a great bonus!
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It definitely seems to be hit and miss as to who was born after 1915 but died before 1991 has been marked as available to view. My Great Aunt was born in 1922 but died in 1975 isn't viewable.
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I have mentioned on here before that my grandmother always celebrated her birthday three days after the date on her birth certificate. She thought her birthday was 8th April, when it was actually the 5th. On the 1939 register her birthday was down as the 7th ! was she gradually advancing it over the years?
And another curious one, my maternal grandfather had a twin brother. My grandfather's Dob is 25 September, but his twin is 30th!
My father's cousin was born in 1914 and died in 1978, but she doesn't come up at all. I've searched on maiden and married name (she married in 1935). I've searched on dob and name variants. Although as noted above dob may not be reliable.
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I found my mother and grandmother, more by luck than anything else. My grandmother remarried in 1943 and I found her under her new married name with Schmgeonr in brackets, supposedly her first married name of Scrimgeour. Fortunately my mother was living at the same address as Coomer which is vaguely near her married name of Coomber from her 1943 marriage. I think the transcription must be pretty poor.
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Not too impressed so far. 10% discount was invalid :( On unlocking my first successful search, only my grandmother shows up and not my grandfather despite being on the transcription. Cannot download either >:( Plus not liking the closed entries which were not clearly mentioned in advertising blurp.....
YB
Edited to say most problems resolved but still cannot download when entry goes over two pages.
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anyone finding difficulty loading the original image mine seems to have areas of the image that are blurry and I cannot save the file onto my pc as when I open it its blank also not letting me print the record, what a waste of money if you cant view/save or print it ?
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For those of you searching unsuccessfully with date of birth, try using only birth year plus or minus a couple of years, that has worked for me.
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anyone finding difficulty loading the original image mine seems to have areas of the image that are blurry and I cannot save the file onto my pc as when I open it its blank also not letting me print the record, what a waste of money if you cant view/save or print it ?
Yes I said as much a few posts back, the image is blurry and doesn't load correctly and like you I can't save it as Windows throws up an error.
I have found a way to get the image to save.
Go back to the Findmypage homepage and select the "My Records" option, find your record and select the camera icon as it should now offer to save the image for you, which after it has saved you should now have a good image.
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Glenshiel Road, Eltham seems to be missing.
I know the names of three people living in the same house there and I can find them by name, obviously together and under Borough - Woolwich: County - London but when searching for the address to check the house number I can't see Glenshiel Road.
I am surprised at the information some people gave. I have one woman using the forename she 'adopted', completely different from her real name, she has given as her surname that of the man she lived with but was not married to and her age is 10 years out (younger of course!) So her identity card would have been pure fiction!
Selina
I should have said that Glenshiel Road is missing from the list of roads in Woowich, London. It has obviously been transcribed as these people were living there.
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I have found that they have wrongly transcribed the birth year of someone who was born in 1916 as 1885 so they are showing even though they would "only" be 99....
If this happens to someone who is still alive then FindMyPast are in trouble
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anyone finding difficulty loading the original image mine seems to have areas of the image that are blurry and I cannot save the file onto my pc as when I open it its blank also not letting me print the record, what a waste of money if you cant view/save or print it ?
Yes I said as much a few posts back, the image is blurry and doesn't load correctly and like you I can't save it as Windows throws up an error.
I have given up for now.
Hhmmm think I'll wait until the glitches have been sorted out. I have no urgency anyway.
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Hhmmm think I'll wait until the glitches have been sorted out. I have no urgency anyway.
I have just edited my post above as I have found a way round it.
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Not sure if this has been answered anywhere, but when you unlock the record, does it give the name of all in the household but not information on those redacted? Or does it just say "3 more who are officially closed"?
I've found an uncle and the preview of the record gives his name and says 2 locked and one officially closed. I know one of the locked will be his wife, but if the officially closed person isn't named, how will I know who they are so I can prove they are dead?
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I got 2 households for the price of one, (on original document) as my great grandparents lived next door to my grandparents, which was a great bonus!
My great grandparents lived next door to my grandparents so I'm thinking I might get two in one there.
Blue
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Not sure if this has been answered anywhere, but when you unlock the record, does it give the name of all in the household but not information on those redacted? Or does it just say "3 more who are officially closed"?
The latter.
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I think we have to give this time, if we all think back to 1911 we moaned then, now we just "do it", I am going to bide my time and be patient, hopefully
Louisa Maud
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Not sure if this has been answered anywhere, but when you unlock the record, does it give the name of all in the household but not information on those redacted? Or does it just say "3 more who are officially closed"?
The latter.
So that means I'll never find out who the mysterious person living with them was. It wasn't my cousin who wasn't born until 1943.
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Yes I said as much a few posts back, the image is blurry and doesn't load correctly and like you I can't save it as Windows throws up an error.
I have found a way to get the image to save.
Go back to the Findmypage homepage and select the "My Records" option, find your record and select the camera icon as it should now offer to save the image for you, which after it has saved you should now have a good image.
Thanks! A vey useful posting. ;)
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So that means I'll never find out who the mysterious person living with them was. It wasn't my cousin who wasn't born until 1943.
groom, I can sympathise as have the same problem with my grandparents. There is a mystery 3rd person born after 1915 with them. :-\
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Not sure if this has been answered anywhere, but when you unlock the record, does it give the name of all in the household but not information on those redacted? Or does it just say "3 more who are officially closed"?
The latter.
So to repeat the second part of Groom's question: How do you prove someone is dead if you aren't allowed to know who they are in the first place?!?!? ??? ::)
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I got 2 households for the price of one, (on original document) as my great grandparents lived next door to my grandparents, which was a great bonus!
My great grandparents lived next door to my grandparents so I'm thinking I might get two in one there.
Blue
Have a look at http://www.rootschat.com/links/01eoz/ for an example of a "household" page
There a a few redacted on there and also examples of how women's names were changed on marriage (green pencil)
Cheers
Guy
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I’m having mixed results with this.
Like others, I am disappointed that more information is not available.
I am looking for my father (b1917, d1993). I now understand that, because he died after 1991, his record will be closed.
However, he does not come up in the name search and, as I have no idea at all where he was living or who with, I am afraid that I will not be able to find him.
Am I right in assuming this, or is there another way?
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anyone finding difficulty loading the original image mine seems to have areas of the image that are blurry and I cannot save the file onto my pc as when I open it its blank also not letting me print the record, what a waste of money if you cant view/save or print it ?
Yes I said as much a few posts back, the image is blurry and doesn't load correctly and like you I can't save it as Windows throws up an error.
I have given up for now.
Hhmmm think I'll wait until the glitches have been sorted out. I have no urgency anyway.
I think that's due to the volume of people using the site the images take longer to load they are tiles which make up one entire image if the download is fast they appear as an image if it is a bit slow as a blurred image which then comes into focus and if really slow individual tiles appear one at a time.
Seen all since 5 am this morning when it was running like a dream.
Cheers
Guy
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I’m having mixed results with this.
Like others, I am disappointed that more information is not available.
I am looking for my father (b1917, d1993). I now understand that, because he died after 1991, his record will be closed.
However, he does not come up in the name search and, as I have no idea at all where he was living or who with, I am afraid that I will not be able to find him.
Am I right in assuming this, or is there another way?
If you have proof of his death email Findmypast with a scan of his death certificate. They will then open his record and you will be able to find him and possibly discover who he was living with.
Cheers
Guy
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Have a look at http://www.rootschat.com/links/01eoz/ for an example of a "household" page
There a a few redacted on there and also examples of how women's names were changed on marriage (green pencil)
Cheers
Guy
Guy,
Excuse my ignorance, but what does the colume entitled "O, V, S, P or I" indicate?
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Just a thought for those people who have unexpected mystery extra people in their households, perhaps they were evacuated children. I've just found my grandmother with her children living at the address they were evacuated to during the Phony War. She went too because her youngest was still a baby. But older children would have been by themselves, and would be redacted because they'd be assumed to be still alive now.
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I’m having mixed results with this.
Like others, I am disappointed that more information is not available.
I am looking for my father (b1917, d1993). I now understand that, because he died after 1991, his record will be closed.
However, he does not come up in the name search and, as I have no idea at all where he was living or who with, I am afraid that I will not be able to find him.
Am I right in assuming this, or is there another way?
If you have a look here it sounds as if they will search for someone for you if you can provide enough additional information along with the death certificate
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/frequently-asked-questions/answer/what-if-i-notice-an-officially-closed-record-in-the--register-that-i-believe-should-be-open (http://www.findmypast.co.uk/frequently-asked-questions/answer/what-if-i-notice-an-officially-closed-record-in-the--register-that-i-believe-should-be-open)
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a bit disappointed with 1939 register.
Searching for people I have correct names and dates for doesnt always bring up even though full names listed on entries.
People who I know are dead since they are my parents and uncles and aunts are redacted! So where I was hoping to see my Mum and dad...I now have to prove they are dead! You have to submit a death certificate! :)
I completed an error report in one case where wrong details were showing and it returned an error ...tried several times and still not enabling error report to be submitted.
The idea of 'unlocking' the household is a pretty expensive one ...so am looking back at my tree and trying to decide who to go for.... but as its wartime if family is split in locations...I shall use that up pretty damn quick!
Only plus so far.... checking various names am able to check back with my tree and get an idea if people were still alive at that time, whether they may have married or where they maybe..so could be useful as another source of simply attempting to track people down...but very hit and miss.
I did however find out the name of my grandmothers 'lodger' who used to bring us the 'seconds' - thick chocolate blocks/ toffee bits (similar to Crunchie bars) from Rowntrees factory on a Friday night and also who supposedly couldn't find my grandmothers wedding ring when my Mum went up to arrange the funeral etc...!!
Had high hopes .... but hope can find more.. :)
1921 census seems such a long way off! .. : ) :)
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Just a thought for those people who have unexpected mystery extra people in their households, perhaps they were evacuated children. I've just found my grandmother with her children living at the address they were evacuated to during the Phony War. She went too because her youngest was still a baby. But older children would have been by themselves, and would be redacted because they'd be assumed to be still alive now.
what was the 'phony war'
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Just a thought for those people who have unexpected mystery extra people in their households, perhaps they were evacuated children. I've just found my grandmother with her children living at the address they were evacuated to during the Phony War. She went too because her youngest was still a baby. But older children would have been by themselves, and would be redacted because they'd be assumed to be still alive now.
I have a found a 20 year old lodger (who must have died before 1991) with my great aunt and uncle.
I was expecting just the 2 of them.
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I am a bit annoyed that I just paid for a month sub, went to get the details of my grans half brother then found the 1939 register household is only viewable by pay as you go and you have to pay £24 for just 5 households. There is always a catch, always.
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I don't think it has been mentioned, I gather changes of addresses should show up on the original pages. If yes, do they show a date for the change or just the addresses please?
My Dad is interested in knowing when they went to Devon and when they returned. Although only his mother will show, if the dates aren't included, there isn't really much point getting a copy of the full document as the only other thing of interest on it is an additional redacted person which obviously won't be viewable.
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The idea of 'unlocking' the household is a pretty expensive one
You can still get a rough idea as to who was in the household apart from the redacted ones by just searching the reference number and playing with the results. When you select the preview it shows the (e.g) Smith Household at the top but if not the end numbers in the reference should follow on.
So far I have not unlocked any but have managed to put my households together apart from the redacted people though so far I know who they are too.
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I am a bit annoyed that I just paid for a month sub, went to get the details of my grans half brother then found the 1939 register household is only viewable by pay as you go and you have to pay £24 for just 5 households. There is always a catch, always.
The issue of the cost has been heavily discussed on RC, and other places, since the announcement last Wednesday. You can pay for just 1 household but its £6.96.
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Would a photo of a CWGC gravestone suffice instead of forking out for a death certificate? Surely that would be official enough to prove somebody is dead? I am thinking of my grandfather who is buried in West Derby Cemetery and I have his will.
What about all the millions of graves maintained by the CWGC surely that is enough proof somebody is dead.
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Does anyone know if the 5 household package has a time limit on it, will you lose your money if you don't use it up in a certain period of time?
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Just a thought for those people who have unexpected mystery extra people in their households, perhaps they were evacuated children. I've just found my grandmother with her children living at the address they were evacuated to during the Phony War. She went too because her youngest was still a baby. But older children would have been by themselves, and would be redacted because they'd be assumed to be still alive now.
what was the 'phony war'
'Phoney War' is the name given to the period of time in World War Two from September 1939 to April 1940 when, after the blitzkrieg attack on Poland in September 1939, seemingly nothing happened. http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/world-war-two/world-war-two-in-western-europe/the-phoney-war/
Stan
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From their facebook page
Findmypast Hi Sharon, Findmypast subscribers get 25% off a bundle - you can read the pricing structure here:
I will now be complaining - am taking a screen shot now in case it gets removed.
Nesta
I am an annual subscriber - only got 10% but I don't have a worldwide package, could that be the answer. Only those with the full package are getting 25% ? :-\
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Well I give up with my paternal grandparents, a fairly unusual name but I can't find them. The two addresses I have for them don't show anything, Ive searched the whole road. I've even put in searches just using their first names and dates of birth and leaving places blank, nothing! I've found one of their married sons and a married daughter, but the other 3 sons would be with them and would be redacted as they were born after 1915.
Would the fact that my grandfather's parents were German have anything to do with it?
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You can fiddle with the results by searching for a DOB previously unknown, due to not yet getting the cert. My 2xgreat uncle's birth was registered in the Sep quarter of 1877 so I searched surname then month of birth and borough, then found it was May, and then searched from the end of May backwards and he was born 30th May 1877.
And I did find my 1915 born great uncle in Greenwich in 1939.
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Does anyone know if the 5 household package has a time limit on it, will you lose your money if you don't use it up in a certain period of time?
One year from date of purchase.
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Excuse my ignorance, but what does the colume entitled "O, V, S, P or I" indicate?
I don’t know for sure they appear to be connected with nursing homes etc.
And possible refer to occupation
O Official matron cook/housekeeper, Clerk in Holy Orders etc
V Volunteer MY Uncle and Aunt both Medical Practitioners (GPs) and a lady (of private means) have the code V on another household which is a Nursing College.
S Staff this seems to be staff such as Nurses, Porters, Housemaid, Parlourmaid
P Patient
I Inmate (guess)
Sometimes the word wife appears in that column as well.
Cheers
Guy
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Does anyone know if the 5 household package has a time limit on it, will you lose your money if you don't use it up in a certain period of time?
One year from date of purchase.
Its been changed to 90 days as of last Friday. :-X
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Does anyone know if the 5 household package has a time limit on it, will you lose your money if you don't use it up in a certain period of time?
One year from date of purchase.
Or 90 days if you are not a subscriber mine last until 26/01/2016
Cheers
Guy
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I am an annual subscriber - only got 10% but I don't have a worldwide package, could that be the answer. Only those with the full package are getting 25% ? :-\
No that won't be it. I was given 25% for an annual UK package (that was itself a 50% off Christmas promotion)
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The 25% discount offer only seems to apply to the Irish Find My Past site - Find My Past ie
Kooky
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Haha
Found an error
One of the daughters in a household got married Mabel , to a Mr Petrie
However the record has the other daughter's surname amended to Petrie
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The 25% discount offer only seems to apply to the Irish Find My Past site - Find My Past ie
Kooky
They haven't bothered to send me any discount
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Does anyone know if the 5 household package has a time limit on it, will you lose your money if you don't use it up in a certain period of time?
One year from date of purchase.
Or 90 days if you are not a subscriber mine last until 26/01/2016
Cheers
Guy
Oops sorry, bought mine last Thursday and my account says valid until 28 October 2016. Mind you, I've already unlocked three households and very disappointed. Should have checked first but I've got 1 household with 7 locked records!!!
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Received the email from FindMyPast half an hour ago. I've had an annual subscription for a few years now, and the email says a 25% discount. On the UK site. Offer expires 30th Nov. so FindMyPast clearly wants to drive traffic in the first month.
I've had a quick look and spotted both sets of grandparents, but not paid any further, as I can't believe it'll show me more than I know already.
The really interesting thing is precisely that which we can't find out - who are the redacted people in the household? One set of grandparents, I can't account for the redacted person (one of my parents), but the other has a couple of redacted names that I have no idea about. They can't be evacuees, as the address is in the East End of London.
The one person I can immediately think of that I'd like to know about was born 1923 and died 2009. I don't know if I can't find her because she's redacted or because she hadn't arrived in the UK yet.
Has anyone started a petition to the government yet to have the names of redacted people made available, even if their other details remain redacted? ;D
I had no idea this register was still being maintained and updated to 1991: anyone know of any articles etc about how and why this was done? Were civil servants employed to scan GRO indexes and look for possible marriages & deaths, or did they get copies from the GRO, to cross reference?
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I have a UK subscription and have had a few emails - some not read- from FindMyPast re the register.
Today's offered me 25% discount and I just checked last Thursday's does too. It expires at the end of the month. Not sure when my subscription expires though.
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Received the email from FindMyPast half an hour ago. I've had an annual subscription for a few years now, and the email says a 25% discount. On the UK site. Offer expires 30th Nov. so FindMyPast clearly wants to drive traffic in the first month.
I've had a quick look and spotted both sets of grandparents, but not paid any further, as I can't believe it'll show me more than I know already.
The really interesting thing is precisely that which we can't find out - who are the redacted people in the household? One set of grandparents, I can't account for the redacted person (one of my parents), but the other has a couple of redacted names that I have no idea about. They can't be evacuees, as the address is in the East End of London.
The one person I can immediately think of that I'd like to know about was born 1923 and died 2009. I don't know if I can't find her because she's redacted or because she hadn't arrived in the UK yet.
Has anyone started a petition to the government yet to have the names of redacted people made available, even if their other details remain redacted? ;D
I had no idea this register was still being maintained and updated to 1991: anyone know of any articles etc about how and why this was done? Were civil servants employed to scan GRO indexes and look for possible marriages & deaths, or did they get copies from the GRO, to cross reference?
Good points. How and why update a register from 1939? All the way up to 1991.
Big brother? ::)
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I have a UK subscription and have had a few emails - some not read- from FindMyPast re the register.
Today's offered me 25% discount and I just checked last Thursday's does too. It expires at the end of the month. Not sure when my subscription expires though.
Where does the email say the discount code expires at the end of the month please? Mine from Thursday doesn't say anything about an expiry date as far as I can see. :-\
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Has anyone started a petition to the government yet to have the names of redacted people made available, even if their other details remain redacted? ;D
I had no idea this register was still being maintained and updated to 1991: anyone know of any articles etc about how and why this was done? Were civil servants employed to scan GRO indexes and look for possible marriages & deaths, or did they get copies from the GRO, to cross reference?
Good points. How and why update a register from 1939? All the way up to 1991.
Big brother? ::)
Ha! I'm more inclined to think that the job(s) had been created to make use of the register with regard to the creation of the NHS, and the role just carried on until somebody in 1991 asked "why are we paying those people in the cellar who keep putting in requisitions for green pencils?" ;D
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The published expiry period for credits is 90 days. When I purchased mine a little while ago, I was advised that they would expire end of March 2016 - which is when my annual subscription expires.
Perhaps if you don't have an annual subscription, they expire in 90 days; and if you have an annual subscription they expire when your subscription [annual] expires... ???
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According to the FindMyPast site
O – Officer
V – Visitor
S – Servant
P – Patient
I – Inmate
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I’m having mixed results with this.
Like others, I am disappointed that more information is not available.
I am looking for my father (b1917, d1993). I now understand that, because he died after 1991, his record will be closed.
However, he does not come up in the name search and, as I have no idea at all where he was living or who with, I am afraid that I will not be able to find him.
Am I right in assuming this, or is there another way?
My Dad is shown on the preview, he died in 2004. But he was born in 1909, over 100 years ago, so could that be the reason as yours was not born until 1917?
Anyway, I'm not investing as I've found 3 errors already, in the space of half an hour. But having fun bringing up the roads, and being reminded of neighbours I knew then!
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You can fiddle with the results by searching for a DOB previously unknown, due to not yet getting the cert. My 2xgreat uncle's birth was registered in the Sep quarter of 1877 so I searched surname then month of birth and borough, then found it was May, and then searched from the end of May backwards and he was born 30th May 1877.
Just to expand on the method for this, it exploits the fact that exact searches on FindMyPast give no results for a "miss".
So - having searched for a someone (e.g. Nigel Bloggs in Sunderland), and got a unique hit, you can add a likely birth year. You are then likely to get no results (a miss). This means your guess of birth year was wrong. Try different birth years, until your hit comes back.
Leave the birth year filled in, and repeat the process for the month (MM)
Finally, leave the month filled in, and repeat the process for DD, and you have an accurate-to-the-day DOB.
BugBear
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Where does the email say the discount code expires at the end of the month please? Mine from Thursday doesn't say anything about an expiry date as far as I can see. :-\
On today's email it has this, with a code:
Discount code cannot be used in conjunction with any other offer. Code expires: 23:59 30/11/15. T&Cs apply
Last Thursday's just has a link to 'Get your code' (or similar) and I don't want to click on that in case it interferes with today's message.
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Aulus
You are correct in saying that the register was being updated manually until 1991 by the National Health Service. There was a 4-year overlap between the start of the NHS in 1948 and the end of National Registration in 1952 when it was used for both purposes. National Registration Identity Card numbers became NHS numbers, and the books were used until the NHS Register was computerised and they were no longer needed. Up till then they were updated to reflect changes of name, deaths, and other coded health information which we don't get to see. Changes of address have never been recorded in the central register. Under National Registration current address details were recorded locally, and the central office was only informed of the fact that a person had moved from one district to another.
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Where does the email say the discount code expires at the end of the month please? Mine from Thursday doesn't say anything about an expiry date as far as I can see. :-\
On today's email it has this, with a code:
Discount code cannot be used in conjunction with any other offer. Code expires: 23:59 30/11/15. T&Cs apply
Last Thursday's just has a link to 'Get your code' (or similar) and I don't want to click on that in case it interferes with today's message.
Thanks Heywood. Just checked today's email and its the same code as Thursday. :-X So it looks they've amended the codes to include an expiry date.
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I have lined up 5 families, preparing to use my 25% discount, which I have not yet activated. Three of the families cover my five great-grandparents still alive in 1939. The other two are my grandparents including my parents and siblings. For these two records, households of 5 and 6 people each have 4 closed entries (more than I expected).
How do I get these opened for the people I expect there (eg deceased parents and siblings less than 100) ? can I supply death entry index to FindMyPast ? or do I have to buy the death certs at £9.25 a time ? where are the instructructions from FindMyPast on this ? where closed entries exceed what I expected, presumably I have no chance of ever finding out who these folks are until they are over 100 years old, whether living or deceased ?
Help ! all seems a bit of a difficult process for the folk under 100 when we are not quite sure who they are.
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Using the TNA reference to Search
I don't have any credits but have managed to find out who was living with my great-grandparents
Do the search for the person you do know and make a note of the reference
eg RG101/0950E/009/*
you don't need the last digits represent by the *
then if you do a blank search (no names or places) just using the reference, you ignore the RG101, the piece number (in my eg) 0950E and the item number 009
If I do this search I get a long list of people but the family I want will have sequential numbers. You have to do a free preview of all the names but you can work out who is living with whom. Just hover over the free preview button and the full reference should be displayed at the bottom left of the screen.
The lady that was living with my great-grandparents was listed after them.
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They've made a right hash of my great-grandparents' household, in which my grandparents and some great aunts and uncles were also living. The two family members whose names appear in the transcription (who lived 1884-1958 and 1914-1944) have been redacted as "closed" in the original for no good reason. Those who appear unredacted in the original are "closed" in the transcription.
And they have charged me twice for viewing this same record, accessed by separate searches, the second of which I would not have carried out had the relevant names for non-closed people been visible in the original when I went to it the first time.
Not a happy customer! Have sent an email so hope they can sort it out.
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Well I've finally found someone! :)
My paternal grandparents have just come out of hiding.
I found my grandfather alone, so guessed my grandmother along with my Dad and aunt must have been at their evacuation location, but they were being stubborn. Then I found a possible for my grandmother in the area to which I know they were sent. however she was transcribed with an incorrect middle initial.
Further searching, using the method DawnSh used, revealed my aunt in the sequence.
I know it's her as it includes her middle initial in brackets and her later married name, again in brackets. Strange thing is my Dad who was almost 7 at the time is hidden (fair enough) but my aunt is visible despite being less than 18 months old!!! Must be because they have her birth down as 1860 rather than 1938. When I saw her in February, she was looking good for 155 years old ;D
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At last found my father's cousin, just tried name and day and month of birth, and there she was living where she still did in 1970. (Strange that I couldn't get her from the address). But her year of birth was transcribed as 1844 instead of 1914!
Then I wondered how many centenarians were on the register and searched with no name but just 1829 +/- 10 for birth year. And it came up with 168,418 results. Looking closer, the search includes many pages of people who have no birth year recorded (or maybe not transcribed).
Somehow the Guardian found there were only 111.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2015/nov/02/the-1939-register-a-tale-of-a-country-ravaged-by-war
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Using the TNA reference to Search
I don't have any credits but have managed to find out who was living with my great-grandparents
Do the search for the person you do know and make a note of the reference
eg RG101/0950E/009/*
you don't need the last digits represent by the *
then if you do a blank search (no names or places) just using the reference, you ignore the RG101, the piece number (in my eg) 0950E and the item number 009
If I do this search I get a long list of people but the family I want will have sequential numbers. You have to do a free preview of all the names but you can work out who is living with whom. Just hover over the free preview button and the full reference should be displayed at the bottom left of the screen.
The lady that was living with my great-grandparents was listed after them.
Thanks Dawn. Good information.
Blue
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At last found my father's cousin, just tried name and day and month of birth, and there she was living where she still did in 1970. (Strange that I couldn't get her from the address). But her year of birth was transcribed as 1844 instead of 1914!
Then I wondered how many centenarians were on the register and searched with no name but just 1829 +/- 10 for birth year. And it came up with 168,418 results. Looking closer, the search includes many pages of people who have no birth year recorded (or maybe not transcribed).
Somehow the Guardian found there were only 111.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2015/nov/02/the-1939-register-a-tale-of-a-country-ravaged-by-war
FindMyPast apparently provided the statistics to the Guardian according to the end of the article. :-X Obviously doesn't agree with their search engine results.
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If I do this search I get a long list of people but the family I want will have sequential numbers. You have to do a free preview of all the names but you can work out who is living with whom. Just hover over the free preview button and the full reference should be displayed at the bottom left of the screen.
Didn't we do something similar on the 1901 when it first came out. Then I think something was done to stop too much information being had for free. I still have files of screen prints with the reference numbers written on by hand to work out which records were worth paying for.
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what was the 'phony war'
The Phony War, in terms of the home front, occurred after war was declared on 3rd September 1939, when it was generally assumed that there would be imminent widespread bombing of the cities, so there was an evacuation plan put into place. In reality, there was very little bombing at all and so the evacuated children were called back home by their parents. In my grandmother's case they went back to London and then had to be evacuated again once the Blitz had started in earnest in 1940.
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Well I give up with my paternal grandparents, a fairly unusual name but I can't find them. The two addresses I have for them don't show anything, Ive searched the whole road. I've even put in searches just using their first names and dates of birth and leaving places blank, nothing! I've found one of their married sons and a married daughter, but the other 3 sons would be with them and would be redacted as they were born after 1915.
Would the fact that my grandfather's parents were German have anything to do with it?
I've found my German great grandfather born 1854 and his family who lived with him (and incidentally lived in a "restricted" area near a seaport). I do know that some German cousins of his family were classed as "Aliens" and were sent to the Isle of Wight.
However, I can't find one of his granddaughters (who was one of my mother's sisters) or her husband and I too searched using their address plus all manner of wild cards and blanks. It's not a common surname and from recognisable given names (at Xmas party gatherings) I've found some of their relatives but my direct kin are missing.
I've also found all the men in my family except for my mother's bachelor brother who must have been one of the first to be sent abroad.
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Some Germans living in Uk were interned during the war. Try putting in one of the daughter's/ sons' names instead.
I am having difficulty with it too. I have found my father. It gives one other person(probably my mother) and 7 others are locked. So even if I pay the 60 credits needed I will still only get my parents and the address(which is on my birth cert) so not worth it. The other seven people, closed, on it are all deceased but to correct this and allow a change to be made one has to give proof- presumably attach scanned death certs . I have three death certs but no scanner. The other deaths I have been informed of( if they are all who I think they are.)
.So I think it's a daft way of going about things. One should be able to just give the gRO details of the deaths and leave it for them to check.
So all in all I'm very disappointed with it but glad others have had more success.
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I do know that some German cousins of his family were classed as "Aliens" and were sent to the Isle of Wight.
Reckon you mean Isle of Man?
That's where internment camps were located! ;D
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Some Germans living in UK were interned during the war. Try putting in one of the daughter's/ sons' names instead.
I know he wasn't interned as I have photos of him as an ARP warden. Unfortunately my father and his two brothers were born after 1915 and the two siblings who were married I've found living elsewhere. It is so frustrating as I know the address where they must have been in Croydon by then, as I have letter's written to them from my uncle in 1941. I have also searched East Ham as well. as that is where they were before, just in case they moved after the start of the war.
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I have found my grandmothers name along with 1 person able to be shown and 1 other redacted in the indexes. I have also found somebody else with the exact same name and year of birth as my grandmother on their own. Common name both living in the same big city.
I haven't bought any credits yet but how would you know which was the right ancestor without unlocking them both?
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Using the TNA reference to Search
I don't have any credits but have managed to find out who was living with my great-grandparents
Do the search for the person you do know and make a note of the reference
eg RG101/0950E/009/*
you don't need the last digits represent by the *
then if you do a blank search (no names or places) just using the reference, you ignore the RG101, the piece number (in my eg) 0950E and the item number 009
If I do this search I get a long list of people but the family I want will have sequential numbers. You have to do a free preview of all the names but you can work out who is living with whom. Just hover over the free preview button and the full reference should be displayed at the bottom left of the screen.
The lady that was living with my great-grandparents was listed after them.
Thanks for this method. I tried this and at first it did not work. The number I tried putting in was 27561, Arggg so for anyone who doesn't pick it up the fifth digit of the piece reference is alphabetical so I should have been entereing 2756I rather than 27561 and then it does work.
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I have found my grandmothers name along with 1 person able to be shown and 1 other redacted in the indexes. I have also found somebody else with the exact same name and year of birth as my grandmother on their own. Common name both living in the same big city.
I haven't bought any credits yet but how would you know which was the right ancestor without unlocking them both?
If you know your grandmother's birthday eg 1 May 1898 you could enter that in the search details and if its recorded it should pick her up
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There were other Internment camps. One was a hotel in Brighton so I heard. Also people went abroad, some to Belgium. This happened in ww1 One of my relatives was married to a German woman so they spent the war in Belgium.
It may have been the same in ww2. People went to canada and USA to keep their families safe.
Other German families in Britain may have taken refuge with relaives so that may be why they are not where we expect to find then in1939.
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Just hover over the free preview button and the full reference should be displayed at the bottom left of the screen.
Well, pedantically, the URL-the-button-leads-to is displayed in the status bar of at least one current browser.
But since the status bar is bottom left, and the full reference is part of the URL, it comes out to what you said - but might be different, depending on browser.
In particular, it's very different to the data you get in Anc*stry when you hover over a search result, where Ance*stry have gone to quite a lot of programming effort to give a useful "taster" of the data.
(oh, and thanks for the search method!)
BugBear
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I tried this and at first it did not work. The number I tried putting in was 27561, Arggg so for anyone who doesn't pick it up the fifth digit of the piece reference is alphabetical so I should have been entereing 2756I rather than 27561 and then it does work.
I just cut 'n' pasted.
:)
BugBear
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I think there are sections missing in the road where my grandparents lived! I suddenly remembered that amongst my late uncle's letters were some from a neighbour, who wrote to him when he was stationed in India. These neighbours and the ones the otherside of my grandparents are also missing.
Is there a way to report this to FindMyPast?
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Davidft.
Thanks for that. I will try it.
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I tried this and at first it did not work. The number I tried putting in was 27561, Arggg so for anyone who doesn't pick it up the fifth digit of the piece reference is alphabetical so I should have been entereing 2756I rather than 27561 and then it does work.
I just cut 'n' pasted. :)
BugBear
Yes i should have done that rather than "testing" the system ;D
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Here's a question for Guy, or one of the other experts - why can't we see the date of death notice information that I thought (or perhaps I should say, hoped) would appear on the page as part of the visible entry?
When the NHS were originally persuaded to start giving out information from the register, this information was not released. But further campaigning resulted in the terms of the applications being amended so that (from 2010 onwards) - so long as you remembered to specify that that this information was wanted - it would be included as part of the data returned to applicants at no additional cost.
A friend of mine successfully received this additional piece of information as part of a 1939 register application, so it does exist.
I assumed that the entries in the register were being annotated with death notice dates as these became available - just as the women's names are annotated with their later married surnames. I hoped that this information would be visible on the pages available for us to download. However, I have just downloaded my first example, and there are no death dates to be seen.
- Are they in one of the redacted columns to the right?
- If not, what is in that redacted area?
- If the dates of death notice (up to 1991) are not in the register, how have FindMyPast established who died?
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I have found my grandmothers name along with 1 person able to be shown and 1 other redacted in the indexes. I have also found somebody else with the exact same name and year of birth as my grandmother on their own. Common name both living in the same big city.
I haven't bought any credits yet but how would you know which was the right ancestor without unlocking them both?
If you know your grandmother's birthday eg 1 May 1898 you could enter that in the search details and if its recorded it should pick her up
I do know it but what if I didn't? Unfortunately I have a lot of common names in my family.
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I have found a mistake in my Grandparents household
I expected to be able to see 3 available records (grandparents plus one deceased aunt) plus 4 redacted records (my mother plus 3 siblings all alive/recently died)
But instead, there are 4 available & 3 redacted -- an aunt who should have been redacted is clearly shown -- and she is very much alive & kicking in her mid-eighties!
Have only viewed the index, not bought the full entries
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The womble,
They do not seem to know who has died after 1991 and hence are making people closed to viewi when they are dead,. There is a way of informing them only if one has the death cert for proof and we don't always obtain all our relatives death certs. So how are we to inform them?
marmalady,
There is a place where you can click and send them a correction.
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Well looked at the search and preview panes for my Grand father - found him, his wife (Elizabeth) and 1 of my fathers sisters (Doreen) who have all died. Two people apparently redacted which will be my father (still alive) and his other sister (Kathleen). Unfortunately she died with Elizabeth and Doreen in 1942 - but, as she had (in 1940) a child out of wedlock, the Uncle who identified the bodies gave her name with the fathers surname - so born a Burrell, died a Burrell, but registered as a McMillan when not legally married - Now I suspect that may be difficult to prove to get the record unlocked!!
I will not be doing that though as I do not think it is worth £6.95 to get an address I already know!
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I have found a mistake in my Grandparents household
I expected to be able to see 3 available records (grandparents plus one deceased aunt) plus 4 redacted records (my mother plus 3 siblings all alive/recently died)
But instead, there are 4 available & 3 redacted -- an aunt who should have been redacted is clearly shown -- and she is very much alive & kicking in her mid-eighties!
Have only viewed the index, not bought the full entries
Is her DoB correct? As per my early reply, my aunt is showing, as her DoB is shown as 1860 rather than 1938, and she is most certainly still with us.
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have had a quick look and found my grandparents ( on dad's side) had then listed with two people that are blacked out. I know that will be my dad and his oldest sister and they are both deceased now. Do you know if there is anyway of getting them to unblock as they I have their death certificates.
Also wondering if my dad or mum will ever be unlocked as they both died in Canada. hoping they will increase the death year cut off..
cheers
anne
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I have found a mistake in my Grandparents household
I expected to be able to see 3 available records (grandparents plus one deceased aunt) plus 4 redacted records (my mother plus 3 siblings all alive/recently died)
But instead, there are 4 available & 3 redacted -- an aunt who should have been redacted is clearly shown -- and she is very much alive & kicking in her mid-eighties!
Have only viewed the index, not bought the full entries
Is her DoB correct? As per my early reply, my aunt is showing, as her DoB is shown as 1860 rather than 1938, and she is most certainly still with us.
My father is showing (and shouldn't be);I have the full entry and his dob is correct on the original census, but has been (mis) transcribed as 1908 - his mothers dob. He's not concerned and the effort needed to have him redacted honestly isn't worth it...
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Can someone help me please i've found my great nan and in green pen there is another surename above her and also a what I'm assuming a reference number at the side what does this mean?
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The notifications of death 'D-codes' were noted in the part of the register we don't get to see - the right-hand page which has confidential medical information that can't be revealed. However, the D-code information was made available to FindMyPast, so that they could unlock the records that had been so annotated up to 1991. The changes of name, for any reason, and in a few cases corrections to dates of birth, are visible on the open pages because they involved crossing out something that was already there, and adding new information in its place. Sometimes you will see the date of a marriage or change of name, but not always. It's not going to be consistent because a lot of different people were making notes in the books over 50 years.
Lots more records will be opened over time. It is in FindMyPast's interest to have as many records open as possible so people can find them, but because there can be potential Data Protection issues they have to be cautious. This is what they have to say on the subject
Findmypast are continually working to improve the record set in as many ways as they can, and as such are looking into the possibility of cross referencing death indexes in order to open as many records as possible. At this stage, the only way to ensure 100% accuracy to open is by provision of evidence of death in the form of a death certificate. If we can determine the level of accuracy can be upheld with the results of work being carried by Findmypast, we will change our process.
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Can someone help me please i've found my great nan and in green pen there is another surename above her and also a what I'm assuming a reference number at the side what does this mean?
Could it possibly be her married name? My grandmother has the same and in her case it is her married name; I've assumed the reference numbers link to the marriage record, but I may be wrong; I haven't looked into the reference numbers as I have her marriage cert... My explanation could of course be totally wrong...
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My nans name was Louisa Gibson she married a Eric Fisher but in green pen it has Robertson! I know she spilt from Eric but they apparently never got divorced because she wouldn't give him the satisfaction of doing so, so I'm totally confused to where this name is from
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The notifications of death 'D-codes' were noted in the part of the register we don't get to see - the right-hand page which has confidential medical information that can't be revealed. However, the D-code information was made available to FindMyPast, so that they could unlock the records that had been so annotated up to 1991. The changes of name, for any reason, and in a few cases corrections to dates of birth, are visible on the open pages because they involved crossing out something that was already there, and adding new information in its place. Sometimes you will see the date of a marriage or change of name, but not always. It's not going to be consistent because a lot of different people were making notes in the books over 50 years.
Thanks - that's what I wanted to know! So the dates of death notice (D-codes) are in the redacted right-hand part of the image. So for the present at least, if we need to know what it says, we still have to use the old system and put in an expensive paper request to the NHS. Botheration. Seems a bit unfair given that, once deceased, the Data Protection Act does not apply!
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My mum's not on it. Not bought any households, but the search results give me 0.
I know where she was, she was 14 and living with her granny/granddad and uncles/aunts. I know the exact address. I know they moved into that house in 1933 and were still in it past 1949. She was there. They weren't wealthy, she couldn't have been anywhere else - she'd have just left school and was working on a production line at the factory down the road.
But she's not showing up in results. I even tried just the surname and year of birth (+/- 2 years). Missing ... not there.
That's not a good start.
Granny's there. A lot of the household it says are closed records, looking at it it looks like granny/granddad will be named.... others in the house (aged 14 to possibly 35) are just lumped together under the "5 others" ....
I've tried using just the surname and gone through them all; others are in the results, just not her. I've even tried using a fake name she's been known to use ... but still nothing. I've checked for just her first name, with variations .... nothing.
At 14 she HAD to be at her granny's .... or (unlikely) her mum's, just 200 yards away. She'd always lived with granny, forever..... it doesn't make sense.
I'll try poking round with more variations/combinations to try to work out who is who .... and what's what ....but it's not the nice/clean/exact record-keeping I was expecting it to be.
I won't be buying access for now .... I'm happy just to discover people in the results for now.
It looks like, ultimately, I'll have to buy the access for the two households I "know" .... just to double check. I bet it'll turn out to be a super-annoying poor transcription.
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I have found a mistake in my Grandparents household
I expected to be able to see 3 available records (grandparents plus one deceased aunt) plus 4 redacted records (my mother plus 3 siblings all alive/recently died)
But instead, there are 4 available & 3 redacted -- an aunt who should have been redacted is clearly shown -- and she is very much alive & kicking in her mid-eighties!
Have only viewed the index, not bought the full entries
Is her DoB correct? As per my early reply, my aunt is showing, as her DoB is shown as 1860 rather than 1938, and she is most certainly still with us.
Yes Dob correctly given as 1928, with later married name also given
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Im sure most people here know, but just in case. If you know some details of the record they have is wrong, you can submit a correction, using the Update the record option. I have already corrected a street name that was wrong.
I feel sorry for the transcribers, some of the text is horrible! :)
Cheers.
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My grandfather died in January 1992, was born in 1920 so just misses out, he died after 1991 so he is not on the register, he may have been in the RAF by then anyway. I found my gran, she died in 1970 and is in Southend in 1939.
There are a few rellies I cannot find either.
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My mum's not on it. Not bought any households, but the search results give me 0.
I know where she was, she was 14 and living with her granny/granddad and uncles/aunts. I know the exact address. I know they moved into that house in 1933 and were still in it past 1949. She was there. They weren't wealthy, she couldn't have been anywhere else - she'd have just left school and was working on a production line at the factory down the road.
Granny's there. A lot of the household it says are closed records, looking at it it looks like granny/granddad will be named.... others in the house (aged 14 to possibly 35) are just lumped together under the "5 others" ....
If she was 14 in 1939, that means she was born after 1915 -- and so should be redacted (ie a closed record) unless they are sure she died before 1991
So she will be there, as part of granny's household -- but you just aren't allowed to see her yet
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I do know that some German cousins of his family were classed as "Aliens" and were sent to the Isle of Wight.
Reckon you mean Isle of Man?
That's where internment camps were located! ;D
Oops - yes I most definitely did mean Isle of Man
Thanks for the correction .... I shall now be forever wondering how on earth "Wight" managed to get onto the page. :-[
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Well, what a day I've had!
Haven't paid a penny but through cross-reference and the advice that dawnsh offers in post 118 on page 14 of this thread I have managed to access and confirm so much info in my family tree. (I remember something similar was possible with the reference numbers when the 1901 census was released)
The only aspect that surprises me is that so many ancestors don't seem to know their exact birthdate! it's always a couple of days out or the date is right and the year is plus one.
But I suppose we learn when our birthday is from our parents...and we all know how confusing parents can be!
Rebel
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Using the TNA reference to Search
I don't have any credits but have managed to find out who was living with my great-grandparents
Do the search for the person you do know and make a note of the reference
eg RG101/0950E/009/*
you don't need the last digits represent by the *
then if you do a blank search (no names or places) just using the reference, you ignore the RG101, the piece number (in my eg) 0950E and the item number 009
If I do this search I get a long list of people but the family I want will have sequential numbers. You have to do a free preview of all the names but you can work out who is living with whom. Just hover over the free preview button and the full reference should be displayed at the bottom left of the screen.
The lady that was living with my great-grandparents was listed after them.
There is another way to do this, when you have the preview window open just change the number at the end of the web address in your browsers bar where you type web addresses into, so if it says 23 at the end of the address change it to 22 or 24 as it saves having to check the other previews and is a bit quicker !
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Well, what a day I've had!
Haven't paid a penny but through cross-reference and the advice that dawnsh offers in post 118 on page 14 of this thread I have managed to access and confirm so much info in my family tree. (I remember something similar was possible with the reference numbers when the 1901 census was released)
The only aspect that surprises me is that so many ancestors don't seem to know their exact birthdate! it's always a couple of days out or the date is right and the year is plus one.
But I suppose we learn when our birthday is from our parents...and we all know how confusing parents can be!
Rebel
Can you see the exact date of birth without paying, I thought it just showed the year?
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Using Dawn's method which has thrown up some interesting things like why are my mother and her brother not shown with their parents ::) yet the grandparents had *their* siblings living with them....
However this bit doesn't work for me "Just hover over the free preview button and the full reference should be displayed at the bottom left of the screen" I actually have to go into each record and look at it in full. I am on a laptop not a tablet.
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My greatgranfather charles frederick blakes dob is given as 10 feb 1861. We know he changed his name from richardson. We have a birth cert for a charles frederick richardson saying 10 feb 1862. I know some of the year of births are out by a year. We've seen similarities in family meber photos of the richardson family and am fairly happy now that it is the same man.
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I haven't read all of the pages of this thread but I was wondering if any people were finding problems with transcriptions or people redacted who shouldn't be??
Borderslass
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Is it possible to submit a correction to an entry on the results page? It is a cousin of my father and I have no intention of paying to view it.
His last name is okay, birthdate is correct so I know who it is, but the writing must have been awful as his first name is 3 question marks
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I do know that some German cousins of his family were classed as "Aliens" and were sent to the Isle of Wight.
Reckon you mean Isle of Man?
That's where internment camps were located! ;D
Oops - yes I most definitely did mean Isle of Man
Thanks for the correction .... I shall now be forever wondering how on earth "Wight" managed to get onto the page. :-[
There WERE internees on the Isle of Wight, although I appreciate that this is not where your person was.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=28601.0
I would think that Sept 29, 1939 might have been a bit early for them to have been all rounded up though. Presumably this Register would have been used to identify and locate them for this purpose.
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I would think that Sept 29, 1939 might have been a bit early for them to have been all rounded up though. Presumably this Register would have been used to identify and locate them for this purpose.
Unless there are parts of the register we can't see, how would they know as it doesn't give POB does it?
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I actually have to go into each record and look at it in full. I am on a laptop not a tablet.
As I said earlier, you don't need to go into each record. Wjen you have the preview you want look at the internet address for it in your browsers web bar where you usually type internet addresses, look at the end of it as there will be a two digital number like 43, just change this to either 42 or 44 and keep on changing it until you have all people you are looking for.
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I would think that Sept 29, 1939 might have been a bit early for them to have been all rounded up though. Presumably this Register would have been used to identify and locate them for this purpose.
Unless there are parts of the register we can't see, how would they know as it doesn't give POB does it?
I don't know whether that info is there or not. I am just speculating. It seems to me that, given the experience of WW1, and anticipating another war with the same people, that it would have made eminent sense to include it. If not, why not?
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.... means she was born after 1915 -- and so should be redacted (ie a closed record) unless they are sure she died before 1991
Yeah, I then worked that out .... and thought "Well, what a lot of hoo-hah about nothing".... so tantalisingly useful .... and so appallingly poor :(
While I'm sure it'll have some occasional use, it's not exactly the record set I thought we were being promised, the big fanfare..... it's quite a disappointment.
Right now it'd be handy to have a big red button on my tree software that enabled me to type in a year and have it highlight everybody that was alive on that date..... I guess I'll have to trawl through it manually.
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Over the next few days we will all discover what reference number searching techniques work best for each of us depending on the device we are using and the browser.
The information I gave earlier was based on using a tower pc running windows 7. I'm not particularly tech-savvie and hoped it helps.
Others may be using a Android based tablet.
I know there are always issues with using mobile devices as some of them don't have the same functionality.
If you find a different method which works for you, please add which device and operating system you are using as others may find it useful.
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The question about opening the records of deceased family members has been asked more then once.
Please take a few moments to read FindMyPast's FAQ's about this dataset
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/frequently-asked-questions
and select "the 1939 register coming soon to FindMyPast"
And in this case:
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/frequently-asked-questions/answer/how-can-i-provide-proof-of-death-to-request-the-opening-of-a-record
Answer:
You will be required to scan and send a copy of a fully certified death certificate from General Records Office (GRO) or the equivalent Governing body if the death occurred in a country other than the UK. By certified copy, we mean the original certificate as registered and provided when the death occurred. This can be a copy as opposed to an original however it must contain the full registered details. If the criteria are not met, you may be requested to either re-submit or provide further evidence, such as a birth certificate.
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I do know that some German cousins of his family were classed as "Aliens" and were sent to the Isle of Wight.
Reckon you mean Isle of Man?
That's where internment camps were located! ;D
Oops - yes I most definitely did mean Isle of Man
Thanks for the correction .... I shall now be forever wondering how on earth "Wight" managed to get onto the page. :-[
There WERE internees on the Isle of Wight, although I appreciate that this is not where your person was.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=28601.0
I would think that Sept 29, 1939 might have been a bit early for them to have been all rounded up though. Presumably this Register would have been used to identify and locate them for this purpose.
I was told all Aliens who were allowed to live in their own home had to report to the local police station daily. Presumably all of them had to report to be processed in the first instance. Attached is the earliest internal Police response when Elizabeth reported to her local cop shop. The next copy document I have is a very long questionnaire which was sent to various police stations until it eventually arrived at the County HQ for verification.
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I haven't read all of the pages of this thread but I was wondering if any people were finding problems with transcriptions or people redacted who shouldn't be??
Yes, redaction seems inconsistent. I've mentioned this 8-person household briefly earlier in the thread.
Person 1 (1884-1958). Appears in preview. Redacted in image.
Person 2 (b 26.11.15). Not in preview, but appears unredacted in image. [Died 2007]
Person 3 (1914-1944). Appears in preview. Redacted in image.
Person 4 (b 1918). Not in preview, but appears unredacted in image. [Died 1996].
Person 5 Identity unknown. Not in preview, redacted in image.
Person 6 (1889-1980). Not in preview, but appears unredacted in image.
Person 7 (b 1912). Appears in preview and appears unredacted in image.
Person 8 (b 1916). Not in preview, but appears unredacted in image. [Died 1995].
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I do know that some German cousins of his family were classed as "Aliens" and were sent to the Isle of Wight.
Reckon you mean Isle of Man?
That's where internment camps were located! ;D
Oops - yes I most definitely did mean Isle of Man
Thanks for the correction .... I shall now be forever wondering how on earth "Wight" managed to get onto the page. :-[
There WERE internees on the Isle of Wight, although I appreciate that this is not where your person was.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=28601.0
I would think that Sept 29, 1939 might have been a bit early for them to have been all rounded up though. Presumably this Register would have been used to identify and locate them for this purpose.
I was told all Aliens who were allowed to live in their own home had to report to the local police station daily. Presumably all of them had to report to be processed in the first instance. Attached is the earliest internal Police response when Elizabeth reported to her local cop shop. The next copy document I have is a very long questionnaire which was sent to various police stations until it eventually arrived at the County HQ for verification.
All aliens had to appear before a tribunal to decide if they were genuine refugees or were Nazi sympathizers. There were three categories. ‘A’ were the known Nazis who were interned immediately, ‘B’ were the doubtful ones who had restrictions placed on them i.e. no radios, needing permission to travel etc. ‘C’ were all the rest and almost all the Jewish Refugees.
After Dunkirk most of the remaining German Nationals were also interned.
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In other news, Genealogists are delighted to now have access to the 1939 register, quite possibly the most extensive collection of overpriced mistranscriptions yet released.
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I think I must of missed something.
We were told that if we wished to reveal a redacted entry, we simply needed to send a copy of the death certificate. Now I'm reading that we need to pay £25 as well! I'm pretty sure this was not advertised in advance.
To add to this, the chap I want to look at died before 1991 anyway!
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On the basis of buying credits for just one household (my grandparents) to see what all the fuss is about, it seems an awful lot of money for very little :'(
But the previews are proving useful for checking where people were in 1939 . . . except for all those who are redacted . . . or mis-transcribed ::)
Mike.
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I think I must of missed something.
We were told that if we wished to reveal a redacted entry, we simply needed to send a copy of the death certificate. Now I'm reading that we need to pay £25 as well! I'm pretty sure this was not advertised in advance.
To add to this, the chap I want to look at died before 1991 anyway!
Where on the site does it say about paying £25?
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I think I must of missed something.
We were told that if we wished to reveal a redacted entry, we simply needed to send a copy of the death certificate. Now I'm reading that we need to pay £25 as well! I'm pretty sure this was not advertised in advance.
To add to this, the chap I want to look at died before 1991 anyway!
Where on the site does it say about paying £25?
Exactly! It does not tell you until you actually try and apply for the record to be released. You have to have a full subscription to avoid this charge.
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The £25 charge is the charge payable to the National Archives to do a search. This would only be incurred if you wanted a redacted record opened and did not have a subscription with FindMyPast. If you have a subscription (and have unlocked the record concerned), FindMyPast provide the service free
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I do know that some German cousins of his family were classed as "Aliens" and were sent to the Isle of Wight.
Reckon you mean Isle of Man?
That's where internment camps were located! ;D
Oops - yes I most definitely did mean Isle of Man
Thanks for the correction .... I shall now be forever wondering how on earth "Wight" managed to get onto the page. :-[
There WERE internees on the Isle of Wight, although I appreciate that this is not where your person was.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=28601.0
I would think that Sept 29, 1939 might have been a bit early for them to have been all rounded up though. Presumably this Register would have been used to identify and locate them for this purpose.
I was told all Aliens who were allowed to live in their own home had to report to the local police station daily. Presumably all of them had to report to be processed in the first instance. Attached is the earliest internal Police response when Elizabeth reported to her local cop shop. The next copy document I have is a very long questionnaire which was sent to various police stations until it eventually arrived at the County HQ for verification.
Fascinating! Thanks for sharing this interesting document. I know a fair bit about WW1 internments but not much about WW2 as my lot were no longer vulnerable then.
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The £25 charge is the charge payable to the National Archives to do a search. This would only be incurred if you wanted a redacted record opened and did not have a subscription with FindMyPast. If you have a subscription (and have unlocked the record concerned), FindMyPast provide the service free
This was my experience as well. See #33 above, page 4, although I didn't know it was connected to the fact that I don't have an active subscription. Ding! ding! ding! It seems outrageous considering they can do it for free for some and charge others so much. They charge enough for the records themselves.
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The £25 charge is the charge payable to the National Archives to do a search. This would only be incurred if you wanted a redacted record opened and did not have a subscription with FindMyPast. If you have a subscription (and have unlocked the record concerned), FindMyPast provide the service free
This was my experience as well. See #33 above, page 4, although I didn't know it was connected to the fact that I don't have an active subscription.
Yes. It seems to be punishment for not getting ripped off in advance as a subscriber!
Personally, I feel this is quite ironic as most of my family in 1939 were struggling to feed and clothe themselves and working in awful jobs, and now I'm here in 2015 weighing up if £7 is too much for their record!
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It seems outrageous considering they can do it for free for some and charge others so much.
No they aren't doing it for free - they are offering it as part of a service to the people who already have a subscription. For those who want a lot of records unlocked it will obviously be cheaper in the long run to buy a subscription to FindMyPast.
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Is anyone else getting an unknown error has occurred while processing your request? i'd just hopefully found who i was searching for by address and this keeps coming up but doesn't when i search by names!!
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I am about to submit a FindMyPast Evidence of Death Form to have a deceased person unredacted, but am stuck on the question Street name *. On the image of the household the address is 85 ditto, with dittos all the way down the page. I don't know the street/road in which they lived. Any ideas?
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Sorry, old news
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If you've unlocked the image, doesn't it tell you on the transcription above the household names, the one I opened did?
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I am about to submit a FindMyPast Evidence of Death Form to have a deceased person unredacted, but am stuck on the question Street name *. On the image of the household the address is 85 ditto, with dittos all the way down the page. I don't know the street/road in which they lived. Any ideas?
Can you get up the page before or after?
All of mine have had the street name in the indexes before I clicked on the actual image.
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Ok, found it, in the obvious place in the header of the transcription. Thanks.
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Ok, found it, in the obvious place in the header of the transcription. Thanks.
I missed that on the first one I unlocked as well. ;D ;D
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If some people are not redacted when it should be then a bonus. Until I read the 1991 cut off I always thought all dead people would appear in the 1939 register, as they are now deceased, esp if they kept track of the people after 1939. Then I learned anyone born on 1 Jan 1916 or after and died after 1991 will be redacted unless you fork out for a death cert.
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Is it possible to view the address having found the person (without unlocking the record)? Several people ive found may need following up on electoral rolls so it would help to know where they were living.
Thanks for the search tips on here, really helpful.
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I can't make this work either... "Just hover over the free preview button and the full reference should be displayed at the bottom left of the screen"
Talk about an expensive resource. Nearly all my family appear to be redacted, combined common names so even a preview can't always clarify if you've found the right record.
looks like I'll just have to wait a couple of decades until others have unredacted the records and the novelty factor has worn off so it's just incorporated into a normal subscription.
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I noted down the ref number for the address my gran was at in 1939, and then typed in names of streets in the area of Southend into the FindMyPast address search, while looking at street names on Google Maps. I then noticed the area she lived at was further north, and the RG101/1465/ had the same ref as South Street. I knew from the name result it was the Kiernan household, and I then looked through each house number in FindMyPast to see which household it was and the Kiernan's were at No 46. May sound gobbledygook but it is a way to try and crack down the address if you dont yet know where in the area they were even if you know the area.
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I am about to submit a FindMyPast Evidence of Death Form to have a deceased person unredacted, but am stuck on the question Street name *. On the image of the household the address is 85 ditto, with dittos all the way down the page. I don't know the street/road in which they lived. Any ideas?
You could try putting exactly what it says, "ditto" or "do", whichever it is. I don't know if that would work but it may mean that it actually goes through, rather than being rejected because you didn't fill in the box.
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Well I've playing about with it all morning ( when I should have been doing some work ;D) using the tip that Dawnsh posted with the RG numbers to see who else is in the households ,found everyone ( except hubby's paternal grandparents ,still hidng - but he may be off in the army, and I know his grandmother and children were evacuated to another county,but don't know what date and he served in the army). Found one of my G grandmother's , that I wasn't sure she was still alive , but she was, living by herself, so at least I've narrowed down when she may have died now for her death cert which I've never been able to find
I really can't ever see me ever purchasing the records even if they came down to just a pound each, as all my ones I know where, who and what etc . I also know who the people are in the closed records as well. There is no point in me purchasing the records
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It would be interesting to know out of the millions(?) of people that are searching what percentage of these people will buy (or bought)the records and what percentage of people are gleaning enough info from the free search and won't be buying them (like myself). I bet the latter would be by far the huge majority.
If it was part of the normal sub fair enough, but there is no way on earth that I'm going to buy any of the records as it's a total waste( for my situation)
Kind Regards
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.... means she was born after 1915 -- and so should be redacted (ie a closed record) unless they are sure she died before 1991
Yeah, I then worked that out .... and thought "Well, what a lot of hoo-hah about nothing".... so tantalisingly useful .... and so appallingly poor :(
While I'm sure it'll have some occasional use, it's not exactly the record set I thought we were being promised, the big fanfare..... it's quite a disappointment.
Right now it'd be handy to have a big red button on my tree software that enabled me to type in a year and have it highlight everybody that was alive on that date..... I guess I'll have to trawl through it manually.
Well if you can do so much better why haven't you?
It is easy to sit in your armchair and criticise others but far more difficult to go out and do the work.
You assume that FindMyPast have made errors because you cannot see certain people on the index but you have not looked at one scan of the records they have to work with.
Do you know they have made a mistake?
Do you know the enumerator did not make a mistake in transcription?
At least FindMyPast have made the effort and produced a useful online resource something that would never have got off the ground if had been left to the likes of you.
If you want to help fellow genealogist be part of the solution not part of the problem.
Open a few records send scans of death certificates of people you know are dead (you do have death certificates don't you) and help instead of moaning.
Cheers
Guy
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The £25 charge is the charge payable to the National Archives to do a search. This would only be incurred if you wanted a redacted record opened and did not have a subscription with FindMyPast. If you have a subscription (and have unlocked the record concerned), FindMyPast provide the service free
This was my experience as well. See #33 above, page 4, although I didn't know it was connected to the fact that I don't have an active subscription. Ding! ding! ding! It seems outrageous considering they can do it for free for some and charge others so much. They charge enough for the records themselves.
If by they you mean FindMyPast then they are not charging you the National Archives are levying the charge complain to them.
Better still make a Freedom of Information request to the National Archives they are holding a copy of the records and have to release the information if the person is deceased.
They may claim they don't have to as the record is available elsewhere but that is wrong if the person is redacted even after they are deceased.
If the subject is deceased they have a legal duty to disclose the information to you.
Cheers
Guy
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Thanks for the advice, Guy.
Applying to UK under Freedom of Info is well beyond my abilities to carry out at this time for personal reasons, but others may be able to pursue this route. I wouldn't know where to begin, and, well, as I said, I'm quite limited right now.
I don't think any complaint from me would have the slightest effect, especially as a non-Brit.
It is certainly confusing if it's TNA that levies the 25pound charge but findmypast who can waive it.
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It seems somewhat cheeky for there to be a charge to view a household and a charge to get a redacted record unredacted for the household (in some cases this is multiple people who are now dead) when by going through this whole process we are actually doing a large component of the work for the provider who will continue to earn money of every view of the household by others who would be more inclined to pay to view when there are more members visible (or unredacted).
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It seems somewhat cheeky for there to be a charge to view a household and a charge to get a redacted record unredacted for the household (in some cases this is multiple people who are now dead) when by going through this whole process we are actually doing a large component of the work for the provider who will continue to earn money of every view of the household by others who would be more inclined to pay to view when there are more members visible (or unredacted).
Agreed. It's comparable to ancestry, which has some of the most regrettable transcriptions, which WE correct. I am grateful for corrections submitted by others but wish we weren't obliged to support ancestry.
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...we are actually doing a large component of the work for the provider who will continue to earn money of every view of the household by others who would be more inclined to pay to view when there are more members visible (or unredacted).
How many "others" are likely to view an individual household? If I sent my mother's death certificate to FindMyPast (to which I have an annual subscription) It shouldn't cost me anything. I already have several copies of her death certificate because I registered her death and assisted my brother (her executor) sorting out probate etc. But getting her record unredacted would only benefit me. I can't see anyone else being at all interested in this household, so FindMyPast would not gain additional revenue from my actions.
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It would probably have been quicker to scan the cert and email it than write out that post
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...we are actually doing a large component of the work for the provider who will continue to earn money of every view of the household by others who would be more inclined to pay to view when there are more members visible (or unredacted).
How many "others" are likely to view an individual household? If I sent my mother's death certificate to FindMyPast (to which I have an annual subscription) It shouldn't cost me anything. I already have several copies of her death certificate because I registered her death and assisted my brother (her executor) sorting out probate etc. But getting her record unredacted would only benefit me. I can't see anyone else being at all interested in this household, so FindMyPast would not gain additional revenue from my actions.
Agreed - it's surely a common experience that as you go back in time you're more and more likely to find that a fellow genealogist has been before you.
This is because ancestors further back have a larger pool of descendants from whom genealogists can emerge.
By the time you're at 1939 the pool of descendants is much smaller.
bugBear
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I shared my opinion. I'm fairly sure Findmypast would like each household to be viewed multiple times. The only family of mine in the 1939 Register are Greats and Great Greats Gramps and Aunts, Uncles and their offspring. Not all of us have lots of info about our families, and some families are complicated and big. One of those families has 10 children and 2 halves... imagine how many descendants come from that one cluster. This same family have multiple family trees on Ancestry suggesting that multiple people are interested in researching and finding out. Many of the people died after 1991 so are seemingly redacted (their common single first names and common surname complicates it further).
I also do not have the death certificates for the ones I'm talking about. Not everyone can afford to by certificates for everyone they research, especially when you do not live locally to the UK (ie the exchange rate makes costs rather astronomical).
Also researchers use the resources for many other purposes... surname studies; social demographic work; local and regional research; occupation research... just to name a few. Due to it's significant timing on the eve of war and the fact that there are no Census' after 1921 for research this resource will be heavily utilized in time by a wide range of researchers and they, I imagine, won't bother until the data is 'more complete'.
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MODS - is there scope for a edited-and-locked "1939 Register Search tips" thread?
There's some really good stuff in this TL;DR thread.
BugBear (off to define a "1939 Register Preview" Source in his DB)
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Just found an address with a bit of trial and error from free previews.
Use the person search to find the person of interest and narrow own to one hit using the other fields. Then I put *road, *street, *lane, *avenue etc to narrow down the list of streets in the particular borough.
Then I opened a second browser window with address search. Once I had a hit on whether it was *street,*road etc. I tried to narrow down first part starting with vowels e.g *a*street, *e*street etc.
Each time I got a hit, I would mirror it on address search and narrow down my potential street list. Then try the first letter e.g A*e*street, B*e*street. The mirror list of streets will tell you if some letters aren't worth trying. Although it sounds a long process, I have found two addresses so far quite quickly. Once I'm at street level, I used Dawn's tip to match up the reference number by hovering mouse over preview button and then I get house number.
(Laptop running Windows 10)
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LizzieL,
can you put a copy of your tip here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=734390.0
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Just copied it over
Good tips on that thread
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Does anyone know why I can't find my friends grandma in 1939- she was born c 1875 +/- 10 years,in Poland ,came to London (her brother went to USA) and had kids in at least 1916 and 1919.
Although she gives her surname as Miller (she was born Rebecca Goldstein) on the kids birth certs and in electoral rolls up to 1930 and from 1945-48,she never actually married.
I saw talk of foreigners being interned away from home,could that be why she doesn't seem to be on the 1939 register? Her 1919 daughter had a baby in 1944,and I'm sure she was in London by then.
Daughter and grandaughter moved to the USA in 1948/9.
I thought the 1939 register would solve all my problems but it doesn't ???
Carol
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I've looked up two different people and then looked at original sheets, both have mistakes on the people living with them I filled in error sheet but message pops up to say there is a problem sending it. Apart from that I was happy with the information I got.
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If the people here who are mentioning they have noticed transcription errors have all submitted corrections, then there might be a problem with the site coping. Try again later.
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Success! I have used the name and DOB of a co-habitee to identify a previously unknown marriage.
(the name was too common for FreeBMD to narrow it down).
BugBear
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I've not tried it yet, but then I know all my ancestors who were alive in 1939, my 2 grans, all my aunts and uncles and some cousins. Both my grans are dead as are all my aunts and uncles and some of the cousins born before 1939. I'm not sure it would be worth my while to search for any of them. The only person I'm really interested in is my husband's uncle Harry who neither my husband nor his half brother (10 years older than my husband) knew about. I've found him on the 1911 census when he was still at home with his parents and siblings, I've found a marriage for him and 2 births of children one in 1916 (about 4 months after their marriage) and one in 1925 - I wonder why such a large gap, he doesn't appear to have served in WW1 - and there don't appear to be any child deaths, I suppose there could have been miscarriages. I doubt finding him in 1939 will solve the mystery of why my m.i.l never mentioned her brother, and why her sisters (who I met) didn't either.
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I searched for my father who died in 1961 but he isn't on there.He was deployed to Malta in the war but not until 1940. His parents are not there either and they have a very unusual surname.my maternal grandparents are also missing.I only found my mother who appears to have both her married names there as well.
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It depends on what the parameters of your research are. I know several people who would be interested in my grandparents', parents, aunts and uncles' records, and have only met them through doing the research, but they are not descended from them.
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I wonder what kind of compulsion there was at the time for everyone to complete these forms?
I have drawn a blank with both sets of grandparents and quite a few others. A friend has looked as well - nothing.
Very, very disappointing.
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I wonder what kind of compulsion there was at the time for everyone to complete these forms?
I have drawn a blank with both sets of grandparents and quite a few others. A friend has looked as well - nothing.
Very, very disappointing.
I don't think they were given ration books if forms were not completed or names not included. I believe many people were known to have excluded sons in the hope that they weren't called up but soon realised they'd face other problems and had to get the forms amended.
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I have just purchased my first and probably last entry from the 1939 register. My main concern is poor transcription of data. I wanted to get my GG Grandmas residence 39 Chapel Hill. The first problem which I suppose is not find my pasts fault are many people who are deceased before 1991 have not been updated. There are 11 people at the residence but I can only see four entries although only one is still living and two died after 1991.
The names are completely wrong on the database the transcriber has put the names of people that on the original image are at the address next-door meaning it took me ages to find the data all the names are mixed up and sates are wrong although the original image is clear enough to make out the correct names as such the household name is even wrong I have submitted multiple corrections to FindMyPast however they may take upto 90 days to correct.
The only person that was correct was my aunt Emily (1924-1990) and this was the only way I found the entry as all other details are wrong on the database despite being quite legible on the original document.
I think £6.95 is reasonable amount but wonder if it has been rushed out has anyone else come up with this problem.
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I found my grandparents' surname mistranscribed. I only found them because I knew the address anyway.
With the free searches of the index I have filled in two gaps in my knowledge. The only new pieces of knowledge that paying for records would fill are my maternal grandfather's occupation at the time and my paternal g grandparents' address although I found which town they had moved to from the free search.
For somebody of my age whose parent's were adults during WW2 I can't see that this register is going to add enough to be worth the expense.
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MODS - is there scope for a edited-and-locked "1939 Register Search tips" thread?
There's some really good stuff in this TL;DR thread.
BugBear (off to define a "1939 Register Preview" Source in his DB)
Excellent idea. [edit: and it's here: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=734390.0]
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Up and running here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=734390.0
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I searched for my father who died in 1961 but he isn't on there.He was deployed to Malta in the war but not until 1940. His parents are not there either and they have a very unusual surname.my maternal grandparents are also missing.I only found my mother who appears to have both her married names there as well.
"very unusual surname" could well mean "increased chance of mistranscription"
I'd try searching without surname - i.e. just first name and some other details, like birth, others in household (first names only), county etc.
When transcribing records, it's easier to make out first names, as there aren't as many, while if you can't quite read the surname, it's much harder to work it out as you don't know what it might be (if you see what I mean.)
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Just to say I've found my Auntie Eunice born 1928 and is still alive & well & still got a memory....as I've just spoken to her...... but her record is not closed ! ...
..... however I've not found my mother born 1919 & died 1970, who I believe (& so does Eunice) is living in that same household at the time, as her mother (my grandmother) is also listed as living there along with her sister (Eunice's mum) .... and could well be the recorded closed item in that household.
How do we know the name of the closed person so I can claim that it should be reopened? Surely someone knows how these eradicated people are?
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I wonder what kind of compulsion there was at the time for everyone to complete these forms?
I have drawn a blank with both sets of grandparents and quite a few others. A friend has looked as well - nothing.
Very, very disappointing.
The knowledge that they would not get a ration book if they did not was a good incentive to make sure everyone filled in the return.
Cheers
Guy
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How many "others" are likely to view an individual household? If I sent my mother's death certificate to FindMyPast (to which I have an annual subscription) It shouldn't cost me anything. I already have several copies of her death certificate because I registered her death and assisted my brother (her executor) sorting out probate etc. But getting her record unredacted would only benefit me. I can't see anyone else being at all interested in this household, so FindMyPast would not gain additional revenue from my actions.
By opening redacted records you are doing something for future genealogists 1, 5, 20 years down the line.
In addition when other companies can host the register those pages will be open, if people are selfish and do not update the records they have death certificates for we could end up with the situation in 5 or 6 years time where records are open on Findmypast, but not on Ancestry or the Genealogist etc. or open on one of the other two mut not on the first.
Cheers
Guy
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I wonder what kind of compulsion there was at the time for everyone to complete these forms?
I have drawn a blank with both sets of grandparents and quite a few others. A friend has looked as well - nothing.
Very, very disappointing.
Maybe if they had someone living with them they might be on my GG Grandparants have been transcribed incorrectly as such when you search you cannot find them :-\ :-\ :-\
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A couple of things I've noticed:
1) Not all of the pieces/items are uploaded. Searching for my great-grandparents, I had the luxury of knowing exactly where they lived, thanks to the 1939 electoral roll being on Ancestry. I found they did not come up using names (in various full and vague forms). So I searched via address, and whilst the door number shows on the list, it errors every time I try to click through. So, I tried searching for neighbours and every single one of them does not appear, until further up the road. The road itself goes from 1-23 (odds) and 2-42 (evens). The next piece shows 30-42 even then 23-5 odds. My rellies were at no.2 !!! So using Dawn's logic, I found that the third section of the reference (in red RG101/1234Z/123/01) is the item and by adjusting it by one you can see the previous or following item along the walk.......except the one I need errors :'(
Which brings me on to my next thing...
2) A household doesn't always fit nicely on to one document. In doing the above, I found husband and wife were on different pieces. If you're tracing them (or similar) that counts as two households to unlock :o
3) On the subject of missing pieces, my mum and her family are "hiding" (hence why I was searching Point 1 above, just in case). There are four of them in the household and all are deceased (although my Mum is too recent to show). Despite searching using all combinations of firstname surname, day month and year of birth, NONE of them show. Trouble is, despite knowing where they were, I can't search by address, as they were living in flats and the road doesn't even show in the index!! Arrgghhh!!!
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Just to say I've found my Auntie Eunice born 1928 and is still alive & well & still got a memory....as I've just spoken to her...... but her record is not closed ! ...
..... however I've not found my mother born 1919 & died 1970, who I believe (& so does Eunice) is living in that same household at the time, as her mother (my grandmother) is also listed as living there along with her sister (Eunice's mum) .... and could well be the recorded closed item in that household.
How do we know the name of the closed person so I can claim that it should be reopened? Surely someone knows how these eradicated people are?
If a record is marked as Closed you cannot know who they are until after what would have been their 100th Birthday when they are automatically opened the only way to open a record is by producing a death certificate and sending it off to be verified to open. People who died after 1991 and not yet gone past their 100th birthday mark will also be closed however i have found people who died before 1991 still closed
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Yahoo - I'm hugging myself with glee because I've finally found my mother's sister and brother-in-law.
I made a mistake looking for Elsie Kilvington born 1913 and her husband Herbert b1912. Today Herbert Kil* brought up a Herbert Kilswington and the street reference number showed he was living with a wife named Elsa Kilswington.
Using a few more frown lines I might just find Elsie's Aunt Min and Uncle Herman/Herbert Fleming. :D
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If you have any questions that can't be answered here, you would be better off asking FindMyPast. You can do a live chat at the bottom of the screen here (with computer & keyboard)
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/help/contact
if you don't want to email them.
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2) A household doesn't always fit nicely on to one document. In doing the above, I found husband and wife were on different pieces. If you're tracing them (or similar) that counts as two households to unlock :o
I stand to be corrected on this but as far as I remember a FindMyPast advisor stated they would only count as one household and you should be able to open both pages.
At least one person has done just that claiming to have access to I think it was 88 people instead of 44 (I think those were the figure given).
Cheers
Guy
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How many "others" are likely to view an individual household? If I sent my mother's death certificate to FindMyPast (to which I have an annual subscription) It shouldn't cost me anything. I already have several copies of her death certificate because I registered her death and assisted my brother (her executor) sorting out probate etc. But getting her record unredacted would only benefit me. I can't see anyone else being at all interested in this household, so FindMyPast would not gain additional revenue from my actions.
By opening redacted records you are doing something for future genealogists 1, 5, 20 years down the line.
In addition when other companies can host the register those pages will be open, if people are selfish and do not update the records they have death certificates for we could end up with the situation in 5 or 6 years time where records are open on Findmypast, but not on Ancestry or the Genealogist etc. or open on one of the other two mut not on the first.
Cheers
Guy
The point I was making (in response to Samantha's post) is that FindMyPast would be unlikely to benefit financially from my getting my deceased mother's record unredacted as it is unlikely anyone else would be wanting to look at that particular record in the first place, and the fact that they could then see the record of three people in the household is not going to entice them into buying the record if they had decided it wasn't worth it for only two people.
I agree for the sake of accuracy and completeness, it would be nice if people could get their deceased relatives unredacted, but if they don't already have the certificate, it would be a costly business.
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2) A household doesn't always fit nicely on to one document. In doing the above, I found husband and wife were on different pieces. If you're tracing them (or similar) that counts as two households to unlock :o
I stand to be corrected on this but as far as I remember a FindMyPast advisor stated they would only count as one household and you should be able to open both pages.
At least one person has done just that claiming to have access to I think it was 88 people instead of 44 (I think those were the figure given).
Cheers
Guy
Glad they have taken the sensible approach on that then. :)
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I agree for the sake of accuracy and completeness, it would be nice if people could get their deceased relatives unredacted, but if they don't already have the certificate, it would be a costly business.
Agreed, but don't we all complete the life cycle in our research by getting death certificates and transcripts of burial registers & tombstones etc. ;)
Surely it's one of the basic rules of research kill off your ancestors. :o
Cheers
Guy
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Using the 1939 Electoral Rolls I found one family that I'd been looking for. The wife does not come up on a search on FindMyPast but when I look for the daughter and then search by piece number, there she is.
Luckily for me several family members are living in the same street so searching on FindMyPast by street name I get 106 names in total. Ten of which are ??? ??? . Of the three surnames of family members, 8 in total none are spelled correctly. Four people all with the same surname all in the same house are spelled differently :-\
I can't see a way to make corrections, can you only do this if you pay to unlock the information?
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I can't see a way to make corrections, can you only do this if you pay to unlock the information?
Yes
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Using the 1939 Electoral Rolls I found one family that I'd been looking for. The wife does not come up on a search on FindMyPast but when I look for the daughter and then search by piece number, there she is.
Luckily for me several family members are living in the same street so searching on FindMyPast by street name I get 106 names in total. Ten of which are ??? ??? . Of the three surnames of family members, 8 in total none are spelled correctly. Four people all with the same surname all in the same house are spelled differently :-\
I can't see a way to make corrections, can you only do this if you pay to unlock the information?
Yes of course you have to unlock the information first how else could you tell if the transcription was wrong?
If the transcription agrees with the information in the register it is a correct transcription.
Cheers
Guy
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Pleased I wasn't desperate to find my great great aunt Catherine. She's in the register as Bathermine ::). As she's the only occupant I won't be unlocking the record to see what the entry actually looks like.
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(Apologies if this has already been asked)
In the right hand information section there is info about ambulance drivers / arp etc
My male grandfather (bus conductor) is listed as PWC 122/12067
Anyone know what that means ?
volunteer police ?
Thanks
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I wonder what kind of compulsion there was at the time for everyone to complete these forms?
I have drawn a blank with both sets of grandparents and quite a few others. A friend has looked as well - nothing.
Very, very disappointing.
I don't think they were given ration books if forms were not completed or names not included. I believe many people were known to have excluded sons in the hope that they weren't called up but soon realised they'd face other problems and had to get the forms amended.
On the other hand, if their names were all wrong on the Register, as so many of them are, their ration books would also have had their names wrong, and I would have thought that would have created problems too. I will ask my mum tonight if her ration book was in her own proper name because on the Register her parents' surnames are completely wrong. She was 18 and living at home at the time and has been redacted.
UPDATE: I talked to my mum this evening, who is quite competent, and she says her ration book was in her correct name. She still has it somewhere, and that is the way I remember it too, having seen it years ago. So I guess the problem with the Register is in the transcription.
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I was wondering that as well, Loo. My grandmother and so presumably my mother (who is redacted) are down as Walters when it should be Waters. I presume that other forms were filled in to get ration books after your name was on the register to prove you existed.
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I had great trouble finding some of my Hellyers. The name's been recorded as many variants over the years, Hellier, Hellyar, Hillyer, Hillier etc etc. When I eventually found them in the 1939 register the clear writing of Hellyer had been transcribed as Hellyes! Hellyes? Hell no!
Made me laugh anyway ;D
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Hiya folks, the topic continues here:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=734467.0