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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Caernarvonshire => Topic started by: appolonia on Saturday 31 October 15 12:39 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to trace my great grandmother, Appolonia Jones, nee Williams, born about 1837 in Pentraeth, Anglesey. On her marriage certificate her father's name is given as William Price, miner, (patronymic system?). Appolonia was known as Appy. I have found a family living at Clwt-y-Bont, Llanddeiniolen, where I believe the family moved to, in the 1841 and 1851 census. All the correct names, ages and all born in Pentraeth, except that there is no Appolonia, only an Abigail. However, Abby sounds a lot like Appy. Am I clutching at straws or could this be a mistake on the part of the census recorder? There is no record of Abigail in the 1861 census, my Appy was in the Bangor workhouse in 1861 and married William Jones in 1862. Where else can I look to see if my theory is correct?
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Have you found the Clwt Y Bont family in 1861.
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In both 1841 and 1851, Abigail Price is entered with her full name, not Abby or Appy.
Just so we have details of the family .
1851 Clwt Y Bont Llanddeiniolen. All born Pentraeth.
William Price 46
Cathrine Price 32
Agnes Price 23
Edward Price 18
Richard Price 16
Abigael Price 14
Cathrine Morris neice 3 Mo b Llanddeiniolen
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No, I haven't found the family in 1861 census.
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Abeical (sic) Pryse was baptised in Pentraeth on 18th September 1836, daughter of William and Catherine.
The other children - Annas, Edward, Richard and William - were also baptised there on 18th May 1834 with a second Edward in 1836 - all as Pryse.
David
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I`d take a bet that this is the sister Agnes, but can`t find a marriage for her and Owen Pritchard.
It would be interesting to see if she used Price or also used Williams.
1861 Clwt Y Bont.
Owen Prichards 33
Agnes Prichards 32 b Pentraeth, Anglesey,
Owen Prichards 7
1871 Clwt Y Bont
Owen Prichard 45 b Llanddeiniolen, Caernarfonshire
Annas Prichard 42 b Amlwch, Anglesey,
1881 Clwt Y Bont
Agnes Pritchard widower 51 Pentraeth, Anglesey,
Jane Pritchard dau 20 Llanddeiniolen, Caernarvonshire
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I`d take a bet that this is the sister Agnes, but can`t find a marriage for her and Owen Pritchard.
It would be interesting to see if she used Price or also used Williams.
1861 Clwt Y Bont.
Owen Prichards 33
Agnes Prichards 32 b Pentraeth, Anglesey,
Owen Prichards 7
1871 Clwt Y Bont
Owen Prichard 45 b Llanddeiniolen, Caernarfonshire
Annas Prichard 42 b Amlwch, Anglesey,
1881 Clwt Y Bont
Agnes Pritchard widower 51 Pentraeth, Anglesey,
Jane Pritchard dau 20 Llanddeiniolen, Caernarvonshire
The marriage took place at Llanddeiniolen Parish Church on the 17th of September, 1853:
Owen Prichard, age 28, Bachelor, Quarryman, of Cae'r Hedyn, son of Richard Jones, Quarryman
Annas Williams, age 23, Spinster, of Clwtybont, daughter of William Prys, Miner
Both Owen & Annas signed by mark. The witnesses, funnily enough, were both called John Roberts!
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I think at least two of Owen and Agnes's children moved to live in Slatington, Lehigh. There is no MI for Owen or Agnes in Llanddeiniolen, as far as I can tell. Owen was still alive in 1875, a newspaper report noting that a fundraising event took place , as he had been in ill-health for some time. There is an on-line family tree for them, concentrating on USA descendants, but no 'Appolonia' is mentioned.
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So we have two sisters marrying with the name of Williams, both naming William Price as father .
I wonder if they were born to Catherine before she married William Price.
Was Catherine a Williams, perhaps a widow, or maybe they were illegitimate.
The marriage of William and Catherine might shed some light.
This still doesn`t solve the Appolonia puzzle though
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I think the sisters married with that surname because of the 'William' Price, rather than because of the Catherine ' Williams'.
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Thank you so much for your prompt and informative reply. My theory has been proved wrong with the baptism record for Abigael Pryce (where did you find it?). This then is not the family I am looking for. My great grandmother was Appolonia Williams, born abt 1837. The 1891, 1901 and 1911 census give her birth place as Amlwch, Anglesey. The 1861 9(Bangor Workhouse) and 1881 as Pentraeth, the 1871 as Lllanddeiniolen. I am missing the 1841 and 1851 census for her. She married Wiliam Jones, 22, living at Caellefacen, on 31 March 1862. She was a spinster living at 23 Castle Street, her father was William Price, miner. They had 4 sons and 1 daughter. In the 1880s, 1890s and 1900s she lived in Mountain Street, Carnarvon. In the 1911 census she is a widow (William Jones died in the Union Workhouse). She died on 20 Nov. 1919 at 4 Well St. Carnarvon. There is an Appolonia in nearly every branch of my Welsh family, which is why I feel she is an important link. Any further information that you can find about her early life and family would be much appreciated.
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What are the names of the witnesses on the marriage certificate for Appolonia and William Jones.
There may be a clue. Did they sign their names or make a mark.
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Not much more of great use, but they are both buried in Llanbeblig.
William Jones Union House 01 JUN 1899 70
Apolonia Jones 4 Well Street 24 NOV 1919 80
http://www.carnarvontraders.com/burials.shtml
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These are in the list of missing census pages for 1861. Perhaps that`s why she can`t be found.
Still doesn`t help with 1841/51.
4344 Carnarvonshire Carnarvon
Llanbeblig
Llanfaglan
http://www.familyhistory.uk.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=73&Itemid=2
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The images for the baptisms are on Findmypast, as are the marriages of Appolonia and Annas.
I can't find an details for Abigael after 1851 or Appolonia before 1861, so there is a possibility that they are the same person. Agnes/Annas has the same father's details as Appolonia, so they might be sisters but no definite proof.
David
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Thank you so much for your research. In answer to the question regarding witnesses to Appolonia Williams and William Jones marriage, they were Grace Jones and Robert Williams, possibly siblings of the bride and groom, but maybe not! They all made their mark, I don't think anyone in the family could read or write in those days.
I have documentation to show that my great grandfather, William Jones born about 1841, was alive in 1910 and in the Union Workhouse, I have found him there on the 1911 census too, listed as married and former mason. However, in the 1881 census, Appolonia is listed as a boarder, living with her children, and a widow. On the 1891 and 1901 census she is living with her grown up children at 4 Glanciedra Court, Mountain St., Carnarvon and is listed as married. In 1911 she is living at 51 Mountain St. with her son and his family (enumerator has terrible handwriting) and it is stated that she is a widow. I think there was great shame in being in the workhouse, which is why she may have said she was widowed. The 1899 death date for William Jones would have made him born in 1829, not 1841, so that can't be correct. I believe he died on 3 Feb. 1912 at Union House (Carnarvontraders and BDM) . Thank you for pointing out that 1861 census records for Canarvon are missing, that explains some gaps but it is still the 1841 and 1851 census for Appolonia and William that I am missing and evidence of their birth or baptism and parents.