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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: Lorie Knight-Begin on Tuesday 27 October 15 21:36 GMT (UK)
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Looking for burial information for Walter Kane, Carpenter, who died between 1864-1870. He was living in Shankill at the time, and in 1864, he had a son baptised at the Greater Victoria Street, Presbyterian church. Walter was married to Jane Mullen who came to the USA, about 1869-1870.
Thanks,
Lorie
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I haven't found a death registration for Walter Kane 1864-onwards but I did see a marriage in 1846.
Are you sure his son was baptised in 1864? If so, is there an age or date of birth recorded? There's a N.Y. death record for a Walter Kane with those parents born c1864 but ages on death certificates aren't always reliable.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WRG-6LP
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Yes, this is our Walter, who was married in 1846. His son Walter, was born in 1864. By 1870 , Jane Mullen-Kane, and Walter Jr, are living in New York. Jane says she was married, but her husband Walter (born about 1818) is nowhere in site. We think he may have died, and she moved to the States to be with her daughters.
Lorie
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Walter Kane Jr, was baptised at Ste-Anne's, Shankill, on December 23, 1864. So, our Walter Sr. died sometime betweenn 1864 and 1870.
Lorie
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An Ellen Jane Kane married a Henry Stewart Douglas in Knockbreda Church of Ireland on 26 February 1870, her father was given as Walter Kane, a carpenter. A Mary Ann Kane was a witness. Ellen Jane's father was noted as "deceased".
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Eliza Kane, daughter of a Walter Kane married 1866 in Belfast-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG82-C4Q
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yes, this is our direct line. As you can see, Walter is deceased, at the time of his daughter's marriage to Robert Crawford in 1870.
Lorie
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yes, this is our direct line. As you can see, Walter is deceased, at the time of his daughter's marriage to Robert Crawford in 1870.
Lorie
The Crawford-Kane marriage was actually in 1866. If Walter Kane is noted as deceased on that certificate it apparently narrows down date of death to c1864-1866.
As I asked previously- does the 1864 baptism give the son's age or date of birth? If not, it's possible that the father died and the son was born before registration.
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Sry, for being so confusing.
On the marriage record of Robert Crawford, to Elizabeth Kane, on July 12, 1866, Walter is not listed as deceased.
By the time of the marriage of his daughter Eleanor Jane to Henry Stewart Douglas, on February 26, 1870, Walter is listed as deceased.
Walter's son (Walter James) was baptised in 1864, at Ste-Anne's, Shankill, as previously stated.
Walter must have died between 1864 and 1870. I am just covering all bets, even though he is not listed as dead on his daughter, Elizabeth Kane's marriage in 1866.
After 40 years doing genealogy, I prefer to err on the long side of things, as typo's in records seem to run rampart..
This is why i am looking between 1864, and 1870.
Thanks,
Lorie
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Walter's son (Walter James) was baptised in 1864, at Ste-Anne's, Shankill, as previously stated.
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Once again, does the 1864 baptism give the son's age or date of birth?
There looks to be no birth registration for Walter James (even looking for a male child without name listed) so it's possible that he was not an infant when baptised. If he was born before 1864 then it's equally possible that his father was dead before 1864.
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No, the baptismal record for Walter James does not give birth date, or age...........only baptismal date of Dec 23, 1864. Walter(his father) is not listed as deceased.
On the 1892 US census, of New York, says Walter James was born about 1865. In the 1900 census of New York, Walter James is listed as being born December of 1864.
Now I suppose it is possible, but very unlikely he was born earlier than 1864.
Now.............back to my original query, I was looking for the burial records for Shankill Cemetery, to see if Walter (born 1818-1820) is buried there. I have the cemetery inscriptions, and he is not listed, so was hoping the records of burials are still around, and that he may be listed.
Lorie
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Even if his son was born in 1864, there is nothing to say that Walter may not have died sometime in the preceding 9 months, I have come across a number of cases where a father died before the birth of their son. If Walter had died 1863 there would be no death certificate of his death.
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So, if I am understanding you correctly, if Walter died before 1864...............his burial would not be listed, in the Shankill burial registers, if they still exist? If this is the case, I am very sorry for wasting your time. Coming from Canada, I am not familiar with the Belfast area records, as to what is available, and what is not.
Lorie
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No, I think you are still confused about the advice and comments posted here.
Civil registration of births & deaths started in 1864. If Walter Kane died 1864-1870 there should be a death certificate (some early deaths escaped registration but that was more likely to be in rural than urban areas).
If Walter James Kane was born in 1864 then there should also be a birth registration. This is why I tried to get an answer about what details were in the baptism record.
I can find neither in the civil registration index or GRONI's own database using the broadest of searches.
Records for Shankill Cemetery are a completely separate thing and are not online.
The search facility does not include burial records for the following cemeteries: ... Shankill Graveyard. If you are looking for records for these graveyards, call our Cemeteries and Crematorium Central Office on 028 9027 0296 or email cemeteries[at]belfastcity.gov.uk for further help and advice.
http://www.belfastcity.gov.uk/community/burialrecords/burialrecords.aspx
http://www.belfastcity.gov.uk/community/cemeteries/shankillgraveyard.aspx
See also this topic-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=439699.0
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Thanks for the information. As i stated previously, i was looking for BURIAL RECORDS........ in Shankill Cemetery...........not death records or indexes. Sry to have caused such confusion, and to have wasted your time. Apparently my original request was not clear enough.
Lorie
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No, your request was clear enough but we were trying to help you find a death date for Walter Kane. A death certificate would have given that and allowed for newspaper searches to see if a funeral notice did appear in the local paper.
Since Shankill records are not online we are not able to help if that is all you want to find.
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Thanks a bunch for all your help and advice. Don't mean to be a pain...............so frustrating, finding these elusive ancestors. Now to start on my McCrum.s from County Down.
Lorie
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Lorie,
For your McCrums try this site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/Afrontpage.htm
Regards
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Thanks a lot, I have used and contributed to that site.
I will tag along on a McCrum in Newry post, as that is where my McCrums are from
Lorie