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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: RenateLuise on Thursday 22 October 15 01:47 BST (UK)
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Hello all,
I am not sure if this is the right place to look for info but I'll try.
I am researching Arthur Henry BARKER, born 1862 in Biggleswade. While I have found sufficient data for him, I seem to have hit a brick wall with his wife.
I have a GRO marriage certificate in hand:
Westminster district, 1888 No. 126
Arthur Henry BARKER married Elizabeth Kathleen PHILLIPS, formerly CURTIS, she was the divorced wife of John Phillips. At the time of her 2nd marriage she was 26 years old and lived at 25 Duke Street, St. James', Westminster.
The bride's father was John CURTIS, already deceased in 1888, and his rank or profession is given as "Quartermaster 60th Rifles".
I cannot seem to find any records on FreeBMD for the first marriage of Elizabeth Kathleen Curtis with John Phillips nor her own birth registration nor anything about her father.
I'd be grateful if someone could point me in the right direction where or how I could find anything about the quartermaster and his family.
Thanks!
Renate
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According to 1889 press reports of the breach of promise case against Arthur Henry Barker, his sister had written to his erstwhile fiancee Ellen Constable to say that "he had recently married the daughter of a quartermaster general from the Cape, and he hoped she would not feel it too much".
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The earlier marriage took place in the Roman Catholic chapel. King Williams Town, South Africa on 27 November 1873 per the 1886-1888 divorce papers which are viewable on Ancestry.
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The Phillips family are in the 1881 census at North Camp, Farnborough:
John Phillips 30 Band Master East Indies
Elizabeth Phillips 22 wife Cape of Good Hope
Lilian 6 daur Cape of Good Hope
Elizabeth M 4 daur Cape of Good Hope
John F 2 son, at sea
Henry 7 months son, Middlesex
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John Phillips' army papers on FindMyPast http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fwo97%2f5687%2f031%2f002&parentid=gbm%2fwo97%2f5687%2f1004970
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Most Quarter Masters were promoted from the ranks, and given honorary commissions. So they are listed in army lists. I will have a look tonight. The 60th Regiment/Rifles/ Kings Royal Rifles had four battalions when Elizabeth was born. In 1858 half of the 3rd Battalion were in Cape Town. They moved to India later in the year. So he was probably serving in this battalion at least in 1858. But men could be transferred between battalions.
Ken
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Hello ShaunJ and Ken,
Thank you so much for your quick replies. Your are great!
I must have been extremely blind when I searched ancestry for my 'suspects' ::)
I know about the breach of promise court case and subsequent bankruptcy of Arthur Barker.
He went to the Continent afterwards and worked as a jockey, but returned several times to ride in England. He also lived in Newmarket for a time where their son Arthur Cliff L. was born. He died 1909 in Hungary (then part of the k.k. monarchy)
ShaunJ, would you mind sending me the link where you found the divorce papers on ancestry?
Thank you.
Renate
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Here's the link to the divorce papers: http://goo.gl/DQrGWu
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Wow! Thank you so very much.
Renate
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Re John Phillips http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/phillps/196/
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Hello ShaunJ,
Thank you very much for this link. This is definitely "my" John Phillips.
With the help I got from you here I have uncovered quite a lot of additional information about John & Elizabeth Phillips' (nee Curtis) children and their further lives (and deaths) but unfortunately I am not any closer to what became of Elizabeth, after her second husband Arthur Henry Barker died in Hungary in 1909.
Nor have I found any information about Elizabeth's father John Curtis, the Quartermaster in the 60th Rifles.
Renate
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Hi Renate
I have checked a number of army lists and cannot find the 60th Rifles with a QM of that name. Have you an idea of when he was born?
I have a gap from 1876 to 1884 in the most likely 3rd Battalion still to check. Most QMs were promoted from being Quarter Master Sergeants, and if he was dead his family may have thought that QMS and QM were the same. You can always look at the muster books in Kew, starting with the 3rd Bn when his daughter was born.
Ken
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Hi Ken,
Thank you for looking and trying to help.
I have no idea whether the rank/profession of John Curtis as given in the marriage certificate is correct. His daughter might have embellished her deceased father's standing and have promoted him posthumously, so to speak.
Her marriage with Arthur Henry Barker was a rather clandestine affair as he was engaged to get married to another woman. This woman then took him to court for breach of promise and she was awarded £1,000 plus costs. But that's another story :-)
At the moment I cannot do any further research because my broadband connection has almost come to a standstill and I cannot access any website before the connection is timed-out. Even opening this thread took me several attempts >:(
Renate
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I have looked at the 1883 list and he not listed. If he was a QM it would be listed in the London Gazette. But I think he is more likely to have been a QM Sergeant. As I said before you can check the muster books in Kew. You may want to do this in order to discover his age and place of birth. But it could take you a whole day of research.
Ken