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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Northumberland => England => Northumberland Lookup Requests => Topic started by: rayaco on Saturday 17 October 15 19:24 BST (UK)
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Looking for parents of Robert Atchison/Atkinson. Robert was born at Wallsend 1823 and he married Jane Neal in 1852 at All Saints Newcastle Upon Tyne. On the marriage cert it says father of Robert is William (dec) so think he is dead. Have looked online at loads of records to no avail, Been to Woodhorn and Durham records office, still no luck. Paid for seraches and paid a geneologist to no avail, so we are stuck. Can find some Williams but can't tie them to Robert. So not sure which one is his father and who is his mother. Looked in church records, but some don't cover year of his birth, been round alot of grave yards, still no luck. All we know is Robert was born at Wallsend in 1823. Can you please help? We have tried to get a birth cert for Robert, to no avail, but we have a marriage cert and a death record at Witton Gilbert, St Michaels all angels. Family lived around Kimblesworth. Robert and Jane had a son called jeriamiah, if that helps.
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Is this your Robert in 1851 living with mother Isabella and brother in Byker, Newcastle???
Isabella Atchison 77 Washington, Durham
John Atchison 34 Wallsend Coal Miner
Robert Atchison 32 Wallsend Coal Miner
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This could well be the same family with father William in 1841 -Mistranscribed - Living at Kelloe, Durham. Both William and wife Isabella born in County Durham.
William Acheson 65 Coal Miner
Isabella Acheson 65
Robert Acheson 20 Coal Miner
There won't be a birth certs pre the start of registration in 1837, but there might be a baptism
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Hi if the 1841/51 census is correct their is a baptism Robert Atkinson 8th December 1819 Wallsend Father William Mother Isabella?
Keyboard86
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Previous threads about this family :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=580391.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=579819.msg4316682#msg4316682
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=711436.msg5549899#msg5549899
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Looks like they also had a son Jeremiah https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKZS-7PP
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Hi if the 1841/51 census is correct their is a baptism Robert Atkinson 8th December 1819 Wallsend Father William Mother Isabella?
This baptism also shows father William was a pitman http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gbe/
This was the occupation given for William on son Robert's 1852 marriage certificate (from one of your earlier threads)
Hi, We finally have a marriage certificate, which is for Robert and Jane, the surname of Robert on the marriage cert is Atchison and for Jane is Neal. Durham registry office did a search for us and this is what they came up with. This is the only marriage with a marriage of robert and Jane, in that area, so must be them. Their children are all down as Atkinson. Robert's father's name is William Atchison, a Pitman. Jane's father is John Neal, a mariner. Robert and Jane are residents at Byker Bar, when they got married. Any advice about the name change and how to proceed? Thanks
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All we know is Robert was born at Wallsend in 1823.
Just wondering - where do you get this precise date from?
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Hi, we know Jeriamiah's details are correct, as we have his birth and marriage details. His parents are Robert Atkinson and Jane nee Neal (oNeal). We have Robert and jane's marriage certificate which states that Robert is 28 when he got married in 1852 and was a pitman, his father as stated on the marriage cert is William Atchison, a pit man. Jeriamiah is registered as Atkinson at birth and marriage cert. So we worked backward from 1852 and got Roberts birth year to be around 1823/24. In 1841 census Robert was lodging age 17 at Heaton, Newcastle and he was a pitman. In 1851 census he was lodging with Thomas parker at Sea View Row, Cowpen. Hope this helps you to help us. Many thanks
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In 1841 census Robert was lodging age 17 at Heaton, Newcastle and he was a pitman. In 1851 census he was lodging with Thomas parker at Sea View Row, Cowpen.
Are you positive this is the right Robert in 1851? He is an 'Iron Labourer', born Newcastle. (HO 107 / 2412 / 443 / 22)
Yet you say that in 1841 and 1852 (marriage certificate) your Robert was a pitman.
All the following censuses show him to be a coal miner and he consistently gives his birthplace as Wallsend.
You need to take ages with a little bit of a pinch of salt.
In the 1881 census Robert's age is given as 65, i.e. born c. 1816.
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Sorry we are not positive that it is our Robert on the 1851 census, but we could not find him anywhere else and the age fits and so does the area.
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Sorry we are not positive that it is our Robert on the 1851 census, but we could not find him anywhere else and the age fits and so does the area.
Kay99 gave you another good option in reply #1: in this case the age does not fit that given on the marriage certificate. But the occupation does, and the birthplace is also correct going by all the later censuses.
In addition she pointed out in reply #5 that Robert had a brother called Jeremiah, born in 1818, and you know that your Robert had a son also called Jeremiah :-\
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Hi is Jeremiah Atkinson in 1861 aged 43 Wallsend with wife Jane 40 b Bedburn and son John 19 b Bishop Auckland
Census ref RG09/3705/60/3
I can see a marriage of a Jeremiah Atkinson to a Margaret Shearer in 1847 All Saints, Newcastle-upon-Tyne Father William Atkinson Brides father Alexander Shearer so who is Jane?
Keyboard86
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Kay99's reply, we are not sure what to do now. Also not sure about Robert's brother Jeriamiah, who he married etc, as we have not gone down that route, we have enough problems trying to get Robert's parents sorted out. Many thanks lots to think about.
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Don't want to add to your problems but I don't think the Robert Atkinson age 17 living in Heaton, Newcastle in 1841 is your Robert. Although he was a Collier he was listed as not born in Northumberland
Kay
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Thnak you, it's all good fun.
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Who were the witnesses to Robert and Jane's marriage in 1852?
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William Graham and William Wilson were the witnesses at the wedding of Robert and Jane.
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William Graham and William Wilson were the witnesses at the wedding of Robert and Jane.
I had been hoping the name one of the witnesses might give a lead, but it doesn't look like it.
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Thanks anyway
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I dont think there can be much doubt that the Robert in 1851 census reply 1 from Kay99 is the right one. He's a Pitman, 32, living in Byker, born Wallsend, with widowed mother Isabella. You also have the baptism for Robert, son of William, Pitman, and Isabella in Wallsend in 1819.
You have said that the 1852 marriage details say Robert is a Pitman, of Byker, age 28, father William is a Pitman, deceased.
All matches bar the age, but you have to bear in mind that Robert was marrying a much younger woman and may have been understating his age.
In the later census he consistently states he's born Wallsend and gives his age as :
1861 – age 39, so born around 1822.
1871 – age 48, so born around 1823.
1881 – age 65, so born around 1816.
So I think 1819 baptism is fine.
Alan.
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Looks like they also had a son Jeremiah https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKZS-7PP
William was also a Pitman on this baptism?!
Keyboard86
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I agree completely with what Alan says.
Family Search indicates several children born to a William and Isabella Atkinson in Wallsend between 1811 and 1819.
One of these was a George Atkinson born 15th November 1811 and baptised 2 June 1811, Crucially, the baptism is a Shute Barrington era entry, which gives the mother's maiden surname: Isabella Turnbull. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NBCT-V4J
The original entry would also give the mother's native parish, but I wasn't able to find this on the BT's.
However.......
WIlliam Atkinson married Isabella Turnbull at Heworth on 26th April 1800.
http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/55108dfee93790ccb6416011?search_id=5629e5c933045bb21b00054e
They had some children in Heworth.
One was called Alice and her baptism shows the following details: father William Atkinson,pitman native of Tanfield, mother Isabella Turnbull, native of Washington.
http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510d83de937900271fcdb81?search_id=5629e59c33045bb21b000548
Washington was the birthplace of Robert's mother, Isabella on the 1851 census.
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And in 1861 Isabella is living with her daughter and son in law in Hetton le Hole, Durham -Still listed as born in Washington - JenB - Great find re Alice bapt with parents origins :)
James Small 38
Isabella Small 38 b Wallsend
Jane Small 6
Robert Amsley 20 Stepson b Thornley, Durham
Isabella Aitcheson 85 Mother in Law b Washington Durham
Looks like Robert was born late 1819 and I agree with Wolfie that he may have taken a few years of his age when he married a much younger woman - One of my relatives certainly did :)
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Thank you all so much, you are all very talented and great stars, we were on the verge of giving up. Now we can continue. Many thanks
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Sometimes you have to go sideways to find information, which is all I did. :)
Everything I found was freely available to anyone on the internet via freeReg, Family Search and the Durham Bishops transcripts. The Durham bt's for the very last years of the 18th century and the first decade of the19th century are a goldmine of information because of Bishop Shute Barrington's insistence that the native parishes of the parents and the mother's maiden name were entered in baptism records.
You said in your initial posting that you'd employed a researcher? I'm really surprised they didn't come up with any of that information for you as its so accessible on the internet :-\
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However.......
WIlliam Atkinson married Isabella Turnbull at Heworth on 26th April 1800.
http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/55108dfee93790ccb6416011?search_id=5629e5c933045bb21b00054e
They had some children in Heworth.
One was called Alice and her baptism shows the following details: father William Atkinson,pitman native of Tanfield, mother Isabella Turnbull, native of Washington.
http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510d83de937900271fcdb81?search_id=5629e59c33045bb21b000548
Washington was the birthplace of Robert's mother, Isabella on the 1851 census.
Annoyingly, both of those links seem to have expired >:(
here's a different link for the marriage http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gck/
and here on the Bishop's transcripts http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gcl/ From this you can seen that one of the witnesses was a Jeremiah Turnbull
Here's the baptism of Alice via the Bishops transcripts http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gcm/
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This is from your posting on the William Atkinson thread on the Australia board, which I suggested should be posted in Durham.
In the bishop Transcripts Durham diocese, under Tanfield Durham 1765-1844 on image page 40, there is a marriage of William Atkinson and Catherine ? ( can' t make the surname out ) on 4th December 1775, Do you think this could be Williams Parents?
I think you are going about this the wrong way. You need to work backwards from what you know, not look for people who might be his parents, then work forward.
You know that William was said to be 'native of Tanfield'. Therefore your first step should be to see if you can find a suitable baptism in Tanfield. You know that William was aged between 65 and 69 in 1841 (going by the census) so that will give you a date to start from.
If you find a convincing baptism, hopefully with the name of at least the father, then you can start to go back another generation :)
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A baptism at Gateshead St. Mary, 1807.
Born March 29. Baptized Sep 13. Thomas, 2nd son of William Atkinson, of Brancepeth, Pitman, and Isabella Turnbull, daughter of John Turnbull of Washington.
Brancepeth parish is quite a bit south of Tanfield. So he may have been born there and moved to Tanfield as a child or vice versa. May need to look for a baptism at both parishes or one of the ones in between.
Alan.
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many thanks, have been looking for Williams baptism in tanfieds church records, when i came across the marriage. looked at 1770 up to 1780, baptism, with no luck. Will add thomas to the list, thanks
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Found a death of looks like Fortune Atkinson with William and Isabella as parents. Fortune died 10th april 1815 at Wallsend, according to bishops transcrips, age 20? Looks like 20. Can't find a birth, looks like she would be born in 1795 ish. Do you think she is from our william and isabella? William and Isabella got married in 1800. Isabella, maiden name was Turnbull.
Still trying to find Williams birth and Parents, been looking in bt but some of the pages seem to be missing. Can't find the records for Brancepeth, to confirm what was suggested and also some other areas in sunderland could fit with Williams birth and parents, but can't confirm or rule any out any? Any suggestions or any idea's ? Can anyone please help ?