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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: lawless48 on Saturday 10 October 15 22:36 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone
John Lawless PANCRAS 1861/ 1866
I am trying to locate a census / record for the following:
1) John Lawless 3 Rectory ? Marylebone St Thomas 1861 aged 52 Born Ireland
Whether there is a child Rose in residence?
2) Possible death John D Lawless: 1866 PANCRAS aged 58 cause ? Any names reporting death / address
Reason: My decades long search - trying again and keeping fingers crossed to locate my ancestor Rose Lawless, born 1852 approx. Cork but married a John Street 1867 while living in Leather Lane Verulm Place Pancras, according to 1871 Census. Marriage certificate listed John Lawless as father but I have never been able to locate him:
In the Household (1871) a sister possibly Ellen 1857 - please note that 1871 Census rather jumbled but conforms Rose as born in Cork - it could, if this is John, explain why Ellen is living with the family - father had died.
Sometime between birth and marriage the family moved to London - but I have had no luck tracing any passage details
I am hoping that the Rectory Road/ Street? not sure if this still exists? or Death will indicate Rose's name somewhere and any other names?
Please can I thank you for looking and offering any help inn advance
Best Wishes
Steve
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Is this the one you mean in 1861, it's the only one I can see?
RG 9; Piece: 75; Folio: 15; Page: 25
15, Adam Street East, Marylebone (not the same as you give)
Richard S Morgan 22
Elizabeth Morgan 23
John Lawless 52 married Coach Maker Gowsom, Ireland
There is no relationship give to the Morgans, so I think it could be that he was a separate household. No one else there.
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Possible death John D Lawless: 1866 PANCRAS aged 58 cause ? Any names reporting death / address
I'm afraid the only way to see that is to buy the death certificate.
Sometime between birth and marriage the family moved to London - but I have had no luck tracing any passage details
Again I'm afraid you are unlucky, as there were, as far as I know, no passenger lists of people travelling to and from Ireland.
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Hi Groom
Many thanks for checking and for your help
Oh well, I thought this could be the one
Best Wishes
STEVE
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In the Household (1871) a sister possibly Ellen 1857 - please note that 1871 Census rather jumbled but conforms Rose as born in Cork - it could, if this is John, explain why Ellen is living with the family - father had died.
I can see a Rose Street in Holborn in 1871 with husband John. The census does not give a place of birth for John but I suspect the pobs are all on the wrong line as it gives Rose (20) as bn Middlesex, her 2 yr old daughter Mary Ann as bn Ireland - her 2mth son John bn London and her sister Ellen age 13 also listed as Street as bn London.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBDK-XDL
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John Lawless PANCRAS 1861/ 1866
I am trying to locate a census / record for the following:
1) John Lawless 3 Rectory ? Marylebone St Thomas 1861 aged 52 Born Ireland
Whether there is a child Rose in residence?
Where does the reference 3 Rectory? come from?
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Thanks Rosie
Yes it is Cork - Rose is my Mum's Great Grand Mother and her mother said that 'Granny Street' had been born in Cork - the Census is a bit jumbled but subsequent ones bear it out - Cork about 1852 - also Ellen 1857 Cork listed as sister - seems to fit in with father having died?
Groom has checked the Rectory address which I found on ancestry website but its not the correct one for John
Looks impossible but I have come across several Johns living in Pancras and St Lukes
Thanks for your help
Steve
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Hi
I suspect the reference to '3 rectory ? Marylebone' refers to the sub-district 'Rectory', this covers the 1861 census " Class: RG 9; Piece: 75; Folio: 15; Page: 25" that Groom found
http://www.stcaths.com/downloads/london_registrations.pdf
claire
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Hi Claire
I was hoping that Steve would come back and might say that he had found another entry, not the one Groom mentioned.
John D Lawless 'could' be Domnic J Lawless in the 1861, RG 9; Piece: 114; Folio: 47; Page: 27;
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Hi Everyone
Still trying to trace the following:
1) John Lawless 3 Rectory ? Marylebone St Thomas 1861 aged 52 Born Ireland
Whether there is a child Rose in residence?
Sorry Groom: I thought this was the entry you checked?
Best Wishes
Steve
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I checked the only one I could see, and as I said it wasn't the address you gave. Where did the 3 Rectory come from? Is it as Claire said, where did you get the information from?
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I think the 'Rectory' ref depends on which site you use to find the census information
Ancestry
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Rectory
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 155
Piece: 75
Folio: 15
Page Number: 25
FindMyPast
Parish Marylebone
City or borough Marylebone
Municipal ward Portman
Parliamentary borough Marylebone
Ecclesiastical district St Thomas
Registration district Marylebone
Enumeration district -
Archive reference RG09
Piece number 75
Folio number 15
Page number 25
family search
Sub-District 3 Rectory
Parish Marylebone
Ecclesiastical Parish St Thomas
Registration District Marylebone
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So, to be clear - the entry I gave is the one Steve asked for and 3 Rectory is a sub registration district and not an address?
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Name John Lawless
Date 1861
Sub-District 3 Rectory
Parish Marylebone
Ecclesiastical Parish St Thomas
Registration District Marylebone
Age 52
Gender Male
Birthplace Ireland...
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Ancestry gives a breakdown and street desciption of the enumeration districts
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Hi Everyone
Many thanks for your help in trying to locate this Census and see if a Rose Lawless was living with this John
Hope this is helpful
Best Wishes
Steve
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Marylebone Part of
The Rectory Ecclesiastical District of Portman Ward
Bounded on the west by Baker Street
Bounded on the south by Blandford Street
Bounded on the east by East Street and Manchester Street
Bounded on the north by Paddington Street
etc
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Name John Lawless
Date 1861
Sub-District 3 Rectory
Parish Marylebone
Ecclesiastical Parish St Thomas
Registration District Marylebone
Age 52
Gender Male
Birthplace Ireland...
Just to confirm this is the census I gave you and John is on his own.
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Hi Groom and many thanks for checking and your help
Oh Well, still no luck
Best Wishes
Steve