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Title: Did William IV have a bad memory?
Post by: Malcolm33 on Tuesday 06 October 15 22:43 BST (UK)

  While looking for any William Aitken or Atkin I came across this Census record:
1851 Census
1851 Census
Blacket Pl. St Cuthbert’s Edinburgh
Henry  JARDINE Head 85   Knight Late King's Remembrancer b Edinburgh       
Jane JARDINE Dau 54 b Edinburgh       
Ann T.  JARDINE   Grndau  16  b Edinburgh       
Isabella  BALD Servnt   50   Sick Nurse b Edinburgh       
Christina SWANSON Servnt  28   Ladysmaid b   Ulbster Caithness     
Christina ROSE Servnt  35 Cook  b Cromarty  Ross and Cromarty
Elizabeth THOMSON   33   Housemaid  b Johnshaven  Kincardineshire
Margaret SCOULAR 20   Laundress  b Peebles       
William ATKIN  17   Footman  b  England 

    What on earth was a King's Remembrancer?    Did he have such a bad memory.   But not surprising to see that Bald Isabella was sick.   Malcolm

Title: Re: Did William IV have a bad memory?
Post by: IrishOrigins on Tuesday 06 October 15 23:17 BST (UK)

Don't know if there are any others, Malcolm, but I just found this courtesy of Mr Google:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrancer

Title: Re: Did William IV have a bad memory?
Post by: Viktoria on Tuesday 06 October 15 23:27 BST (UK)

A King`s Remembrancer was an officer of  exchequer when there was a Court of Exchequer , a revenue court abolished in 1886,( William IV died 1836) the jurisdiction was transferred to the Court of Session . I did not know all that about the court etc  but looked it up  .
You will note it was not the court of the exchequer-just exchequer. Just in case it comes up in conversation ;D
             Viktoria
Whilst I was looking it up someone else has answered with a very comprehensive explanation. Sorry.V.

Title: Re: Did William IV have a bad memory?
Post by: Malcolm33 on Wednesday 07 October 15 02:51 BST (UK)

  Thank you both - I like that second one, Remembrancer of the First Fruits.   It would have been a good one for "What's My Line?" or perhaps a Job Centre.

Title: Re: Did William IV have a bad memory?
Post by: IrishOrigins on Wednesday 07 October 15 02:56 BST (UK)

 ;D

Title: Re: Did William IV have a bad memory?
Post by: stanmapstone on Wednesday 07 October 15 08:32 BST (UK)

There is a full description of King's Remembrancer under Administrative / biographical background: at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C565

Stan

Title: Re: Did William IV have a bad memory?
Post by: isobelw on Wednesday 07 October 15 09:15 BST (UK)

There is still a post of Queen's Remembrancer in Scotland ( or to be more exact Queen's and Lord Treasurer's Remembrancer). The post is traditionally held by the Crown Agent in Scotland (currently Catherine Dyer whose principal role is Chief Executive of the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service). The Remembrancer's office is responsible for dealing with unclaimed estates, ultimus haeres  and treasure trove and performs the same function as Bona Vacantia in England.
Isobel

Title: Re: Did William IV have a bad memory?
Post by: stanmapstone on Wednesday 07 October 15 09:31 BST (UK)

There is still a Queen's Remembrancer for England & Wales,
https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/rcj-rolls-building/queens-bench/queens-remembrancer

Barbara Janet Fontaine is the present Senior Master of the Queen’s Bench Division and Queen’s Remembrancer.

Stan

Title: Re: Did William IV have a bad memory?
Post by: hanes teulu on Wednesday 07 October 15 09:47 BST (UK)

In 1848 the Financial Reform Association* was created which proposed, amongst other things "a general retrenchment of the national expenditure". It published details of pensions paid and the Association's proposals.

"The Pension List, Part IV - Miscellaneous pensions taken from the Parliamentary finance accounts for the year 1847

Some of the following pensions were given as compensation for the abolition of offices .....

Name - Sir Henry Jardine, late King's Remembrancer
Present pension - £1400 p.a
Proposed future amount - Nil

* an unofficial body of "influential merchants, Liverpool"

Yet to check how successful they were!!