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Hi I'm having trouble finding my great grandad Isaac Bland he was born in Scarborough Yorkshire north riding in (abt 1849) he got married in January 1904 to Charlotte Ryley born (abt 1876). They had 5 children Fanny Bland Ryley (abt 1894), Frank Bland Ryley (1899-1969), Isaac Bland Ryley (1901-1965), Thomas Bland (abt 1904) and Annie Dorothy Bland (abt 1905). I am looking for family members on behalf of my mum as her dad died when she was fairly young so she doesn't know much about her dads side of the family and would like to know.
I would be grateful for any information which will help me go back on my family tree.
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat
Was Isaac previously married as there are children shown in your post who were born before the 1904 marriage
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Looks like Isaac had married before?
Marriage, September qtr 1874
Scarborough district vol 9d, page 524
Bland, Isaac
+ and on the same page +
Wright Rebecca
1881 census
Class: RG11; Piece: 4803; Folio: 185; Page: 25
126 Long West Gate, Scarborough
Bland, Isaac Head M 33 Bricklayer's Labourer b Scarborough
Bland, Rebecca Wife F 38
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1901 1 Fryers Yard Scarborough
Lottie Ryley single 26 b Birmingham
Clara Cook 27 boarder b Durham
Isaac Bland married 52 boarder b Scarborough
Frank Ryley 1 son b Scarborough
RG13 Piece 4529 Folio 35 Page 20
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On a 1851 census in Scarborough
Mary Bland Unmarried 40 born abt 1811 Fishmonger
Thomas Bland Son 18 born abt 1833 fishmonger
Martha Bland daughter 15 born abt 1836
Isaac Bland Son Age 3 born abt 1848
Isaac Tissiman Gott Lodger age 50 1801 Fishmonger
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In 1901 - wife Rebecca Bland aged 60 b Derbyshire shown as married but living alone - occ fried fish shop keeper RG13 Piece 4531 Folio 123 Page 5
Can't see a death for her before 1904
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Ah!
Births, June qtr 1848
Scarborough district vol 24, page 574
Tissiman, Isaac
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On the marriage cert to Rebecca it does have a line where father should be
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1881 census
Class: RG11; Piece: 4803; Folio: 185; Page: 25
126 Long West Gate, Scarborough
Bland, Isaac Head M 33 Bricklayer's Labourer b Scarborough
Bland, Rebecca Wife F 38
Rebecca shown as b Mansfield Notts. 1901 entry shows Mansfield Derbyshire so it is the same Rebecca
Does the 1904 marriage cert show Isaac as a widower?
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Maybe check the papers there are some interesting articles on there
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It would seem Miss Rebecca's first husband was still alive when she got married to Isaac
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And as Rebecca was still alive in 1911 - if she was a bigamist it would account for why Isaac was free to marry Charlotte
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The case seems to have been settled in 1902 she had tried to take him to court for maintenance but it was denied on the fact they had proof she was still married to her first husband even though she tried to say she was told he was dead but a death cert proves he died in 1882
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In 1841
Isaac Tesseymond 35
Mary Bland 25
Thomas Bland 5
Martha Bland 5
George Bland 3months
Sarah Ireland 15
John Ireland 10
Mary Ireland 5
In the 1851 census there is also a Ann Ireland with the family age 18 and down as a servant
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Thank you for all your research and your replies, I really appreciate it.
Wow there are quite a few things that we really didn't know regarding Rebecca nor could we go back any further than Isaac bland as we didn't know who his parents were, so your replies have helped a lot.
so do you think Rebecca and Isaac Bland had and any children together?
seeing Isaac Tissiman Gott has thrown me off a little as I was expecting him to have the name surname Bland instead of Mary.
I'm confused as in 1841 Isaac Bland doesn't show up in the census but George bland does and in 1851 Isaac Bland shows up but George Bland doesn't.
Im finding it hard with the spelling of Tissiman as there looks like there are many variations eg. Tissiman Gott, Fissiman Gott, Tesseymond.
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I searched for George Bland Birth and didn't get one but did get a birth for George Tissiman in 1841 in Scarborough
And Isaac was born in 1849 so he wouldn't appear in the 1841 census
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To confuse things more for you there is a Baptism for Isaac Tessyman 19th Sep 1801 Scarborough Parents John Tessyman mother Mary
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Thank you very much for your help, but I'm still a little stuck as my mum lost her dad when she was 16 years old, she grew up to believe her dad was called Frank Bland but of late it has come to light that he actually was born as Isaac Bland Ryley in 1901 to Charlotte Ryley, the confussing think is my grandad is known as frank bland on my mums marriage certificate but on his marriage certificate to my nan he is frank bland formally know as Isaac bland, we have been told he was married before he met my nan, to whom i don't know to? all that I know he was widowed, but this is where is get more confused as my granddad's brother was born Frank Bland in September 1899 so when i look on the census etc... my grandad comes up as Frank Band married to my Nan and Isaac Bland married to my nan and when I have tried to find a previous marriage I don't actually know if I'm looking at my grandad or my great uncle can anyone shed a little light on that too? I would really appreciate if anyone could help here too.
There seems to be 3 generations of isaac's and looking for them dose'nt seem to be any easy task when there are name changes and little information to go on
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What year where you're grandparents married? it will narrow down the years to look for other marriages for either Frank or Isaac
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They got married in 1957 so his previous marriage had to be prior to this date.
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There is a Frank Bland marriage in 1921 in Scarborough to a Darwent and on Freebmd it shows 2 possible births from this marriage.
Apart from the 1957 marriage which i'm assuming will be yours i can't see another possible marriage for a Isaac Bland when i put Frank Bland in it also shows the same marriage so i can see why you're confused.
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It also shows Bland as an alternative maiden name for the bride. ???
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I seen that also and on a tree online they have Isaac Bland marrying a Darwent in 1957 but i have found Frank Bland marrying a Darwent in 1921 and then there is the 1957 marriage record saying Bland or Ground
I would personally buy the 1921 wedding cert to see what that says
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sorry for the late reply but Thank you all again for your help. We are going to get the marriage and birth certificates and see what they say. and hopefully we can go back further from there.