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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: Wallfamily on Sunday 04 October 15 21:48 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
I am searching for the parents of the Rev Thomas Moss who wrote the Beggars Petition. I am related through his sister Katherine who married Joseph Taylor. According to the Cambridge University records, Thomas' father is Francis Moss, a chandler at Wolverhampton. This is where I get stuck. There is no record of Thomas or Katherine births. There is no will in the NAA website for Francis Moss who possibly died in 1764. Thomas will was very newsworthy and mentions a marriage settlement document for his sister's marriage to Joseph Taylor in 1767 in Shropshire.
I would like help with 1. the baptisms of Rev Thomas Moss and sister Katherine; 2. Francis Moss marriage; 3. Where I can find Francis Moss will or other information about him ? and 4. Where I can find the marriage settlement document for Katherine?
Your assistance will be greatly appreciated as I live in Australia.
Thank you in advance
Kris
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Hi their are these baptisms:-
Thomas Moss 19th November 1739 Wolverhampton, St Peter Father Francis
Catherine Moss 3rd April 1742 Wolverhampton, St Peter Father Francis
Also the Francis Moss who died 1764 Wolverhampton, St Peter was aged 14?
Keyboard86
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There is also a William baptised 27.9.1736 and Ann baptised 18.7.1746 with the father named as Francis
William buried 16.1.1741 I looked at the burial entry for Francis Moss buried 14.2.1764 and he was buried on the 14th it isn't his age so he is probably the one you are looking for but I cant see any mention of his wife
Willow x
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;) Thank you Willow X. The only marriage I found for Francis was to Susanna Chaplain on 31/10/1736 at Rugeley St Augustine and this was after the christening of William the month before, so not sure. There are web pages on the Rev Thomas but these do not give his christening date or parents which is why I wanted to check for any other christenings. Looks like he and Katherine were the only surviving children as I have a death for Ann in 1767. Thanks also for confirming Francis death is probably the right one. I am hoping to find his will and other docs.
Have a lovely day :)
Kris
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Thank you Keyboard86. Good of you to check things for me.
Have a lovely day :)
Kris
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Thank you Keyboard86. Good of you to check things for me.
Have a lovely day :)
Kris
Hi again, so do we agree that the 1764 death for Francis is not him, and that the baptisms are likely to be your ancestors?
Keyboard86
PS agree with Willow re Francis Moss death it is not aged 14 just date of burial! '
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This might be a possible marriage needs some further research
7.7.1751 St Mary Reading Berkshire Francis Moss to Ann Annington
Looked at this a bit further and there is a marriage licence that states Francis is of Newbury and Ann is of Wokingham and a widow and the bondsman for the licence is a John Pitts of Wokingham (possibly her father)
There is also a baptism of a Francis Moss 4.10.1754 All Saints Wokingham parents Francis and Ann this seems to be the only child baptised to these parents in that area
Willow x
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:o Thanks Willow4873, I am a little confused. That marriage is well after Thomas and Katherine were born and not near Wolverhampton.
;) hi keyboard86, yes I agree that the baptisms are right.
Thank you all again
Kris
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;D Hi all, I can confirm that Ann was indeed Thomas and Katherine sister as I have just come across a book of poems by the Rev Thomas Moss published in 1827 by his great nephew B. Guy Phillips. In it is a poem called 'On The Death of the Author's Sister' and her name was Anna. This would have been written around 1767 when he was very prolific in his poetry.
Kris
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Sorry looked at the dates wrong ::)
Willow x
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Clergy data base
http://db.theclergydatabase.org.uk/jsp/search/index.jsp
if you search for Thomas Moss it returns 5 "hits" - check out "1762-1809"
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Have you seen this index? http://www.wolverhamptonhistory.org.uk/resources/indexes
Scroll down for St Peter. In baptisms 1538-1812 K-Z (image 140/644) is MOSS Ann daughter of Francis 18 (and 25!) Jul 1746 - going on 10 years after the marriage of Francis to Susannah Chaplain. Others lower down and on following page.
Where did Susannah disappear to?
Dion.
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using date from Clergy database - there is a possible will online on National Archives site for anyone interested
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D378031
Will of Reverend Thomas Moss, A B Minister Clerk of Brierley Hill Chapel , Staffordshire - 1809
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Staffsnameindexes has 2 entries for the name Francis Moss in Lichfield Will but both seem 2 early to be relevant for your man.
Have added info here in case you find another Francis when you get back further
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Maybe a bit off track here but...
Find my Past has a apprentice record for a Francis Moss (apprentice) dated 1721 in Tamworth.
Gives Fathers name as Francis.
He is apprenticing to Samuel Radford , a Tallowchandler of Tamworth
There is also a record in 1741 for a Francis Moss as a master taking on his own apprentice Charles Buckland. He is a soapmaker from Wolverhampton.
Another in 1752 - chandler of Wolverhampton
1755 - Soapboiler Wolverhampton
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You might have cracked it there WelshJo
Willow x
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Again maybe a bit off track but Ancestry has a baptism in Tamworth
14 Apr 1707
Francis Moss son of Francis and Elizabeth
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Looks pretty convincing. I'd spotted the Tamworth baptism and the Wolverhampton indenture, but didn't put the two together.
Dion
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funny thing is my 4 x Great Grandfather came from Tamworth to Wolverhampton he was a locksmith though
Willow x
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;D Thank you Welshjo, I had an apprenticeship record in 1754 for Richard Beech to Francis Moss chandler in Wolverhampton so the others that you found are great. Francis Moss apprenticeship record is very sound so I will get that next when I go to the State Library tomorrow and the christening record for Francis too. All coming together now that I have the Tamworth connection.
:) Thank you Dionysus, I have a copy of Thomas will which is where I could confirm the relationship to my ancestor Katherine Moss. No, I do not know what happened to Susannah yet.
:)Thank you Willow 4873.
One of the reasons why I am trying to track the will of Francis Moss to give me confirmation to his wife's name and to try and find a connection to Donnington Wood in Shropshire.
Cheers
Kris
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Useful link if you end up in Donnington Shropshire http://www.melocki.org.uk/MelockiSalop.html
Willow x ;D