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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Kent => England => Kent Lookup Requests => Topic started by: squeeze on Saturday 03 October 15 08:17 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am trying to find the parents of John Austen Macey born somewhere between 1794 and 1800 in Charing Kent. He married Mary Scott in 1823. I can trace my tree to this point but am seriously stuck.
There were alot of Maceys' born in the area and I am trying to pinpoint whom may have been the father.
It appears that a lot of the family incorporated the grand mothers or mothers surname into names at some point, though I thought this to be a Scottish theme. For example his brother Frederick had a son George who was known as George Hoare Macey. Hoare being Frederick's wifes surname. There are quite a few examples throughout the tree. Looking at it this was maybe the Austen/Austin was applied the same.
Any lead would help immensely.
Many Thanks
Sue
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When he married Mary Scott in 1823 his name is transcribed on familysearch just as Macey. Have you seen the original record, does that give a middle name. Who were the witnesses.
Very often middle names which are 'surnames' are children born illegitimately and their fathers name has been added as an additional christian name
Rosie
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Hi,
Yes have seen the original on findmypast and on //www.woodchurchancestry.org.uk/midkentmarriages. Do you think then I am right in assuming the Austen part may be just his mothers name. I will have a search in the area.
Thank you.
Sue
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There is a baptism for a John Austen at Charing as follows:-
1798 July 22 John s/o Frances Austen, born 12 April (father not stated)
There are two further baptisms to Frances Austen, at Charing
Frances Elizabeth in 1794, and
Jane in 1802
I could not find any Macey baptisms in that Parish.
The mother Frances might have married a James Jackson. There is a marriage record dated 18 July 1803 at Charing with those names as Bride and Groom.
This may be of some use.
Tony
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Hi,
I have found a family from New Romney called Masey and some of the children have Austin in their name. The mothers name was also Austin but the children were born after the marriage. There is a John born 1799 but its quite a distance from the Charing area. Do you think this could be connected. I do know that the Macey name was altered throughout certain families.
Thanks
Sue
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It is possible that John Austin Macey was brought up in Charing but born elsewhere but always believed that was where he was born.
One way of eliminating the New Romney family is to look in the PR's to see if the other children married or died there, also whether the parents are buried there.
Rosie
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Hi,
The Masey's in New Romney have been in the area for generations so that's eliminated that one.
There are a couple of John Austen's born in Charing. One to Sarah Turner and another to Ann Peacock.
Also have found a John Austen in Wye born but dates don't add up. Looking through Kent birth lists no John Austen Macey was born in Charing. Any ideas would be gratefully received.
Thanks
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Hi,
Does anyone have access to the original transcription of the marriage between John Macey and Mary Scott in Wye in 1823.
Thanks
sue
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They were both of this parish and signed with an X.
Witnesses were Thos Hayward and Rebecca Scott
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Hi,
Many Thanks
Sue
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Hi,
could some one please look up the marriage between Rebecca Scott and Thomas Hayward 8/11//1823 in Wye, Kent.
Am interested in who were the witnesses.
Have checked the entries for births of John Macey in Charing, Kent.There are none.Interestingly there are Austens in the area. Has anyone seen an illegitimate birth to any Austens around 1799.
Thanks
Sue
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The marriage actually took place in Brook on the same date.
The witnesses were Mary Mercer by mark and
John Cullen, Clerk.
See my earlier posting for the baptisms (3no.) to Frances Austen at Charing including John in 1798.
Tony
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Hi Tony,
Thanks for the reply. Looked up Frances Austen, looks like she did marry James Jackson. So frustrating that I can't find a link to the Macey family. Stranger still Thomas Hayward had a son called George Austen Hayward born in 1823. Add to that John Austen Macey and Mary Scott were married on the same day as Thomas. Too many coincidences or are they just that.
Looked to see if Frances remarried and I can't find another marriage at all.
Who were the witnesses at Frances' marriage.
Also the Mary Mercer...the Macey family have been known to use that name too even in the same family.
All in all a strange and tangled web.
Regards
Sue
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The witnesses to Frances' marriage to James Jackson were
John Austen and Thos. Hyder (Clerk or Church Warden as the name appears frequently around 1803)
You may find the link one day but sometimes there does not appear to be any family connection!
Happy hunting,
Tony
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Hi Tony,
Looks like you are probably right. Could you do a big favour and look up the following witnesses to these marriages.
John Macey and Mary Ransom 1/2/1743
Thomas Macey and Jane Partridge
John Massey and Mary Ord Palmer Dowling
Looking for a marriage between William Macey born 1777 and Sarah
And also the age if possible of John Macey buried Wye in 1761
Really appreciate your help.
Many Thanks
Sue
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Sue,
The first two marriages being before 1754 will not have the witnesses recorded!
The marriage of John Macey to Mary Ord Palmer (nee Dowling?) was witnessed by Mary Varnon (my reading) her mark and Joseph Marsh.
There was no age noted on the burial of John Macey in 1761 at Wye.
I have not found any marriage between a William Macey and a Sarah. Do you know when and where there first child was born?
Tony
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Hi Tony,
Yes one of their children were born in Wye, Kent in 1821 Emily Macey.
Have found Sarah Attwater in Iwade 1827. Not too sure if that's the one though.
1851 Census has a William Macey in Willesborough, Kent. Pauper. Has him marked down as a sailor.
Thanks
Sue
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Sue,
Five children baptised at Wye, to William and Sarah Macey,
Mary 1818,
Samuel 1821, buried the same year aged 4 months,
Emily1822,
Amy 1828,
Ann 5 May 1831, buried 8 May as an infant.
Mother Sarah Macey buried (also) on 8 May 1831 aged 39.
Still no sign of a marriage locally.
Iwade is quite a long way from Wye. On the basis that William Macey and Sarah had a child Mary Ann baptised at Iwade on 12 October 1828, it seems pretty remote that the Iwade couple is yours, especially as Amy Macey was baptised on 25 January earlier that year at Wye.
William Macey buried 5 June 1852 from East Ashford Union House aged 72.
Maybe of some use.
All the best,
Tony
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Hi,
I have found a marriage in St.Georges in the East, London.
John Massey married Mary Austen 18/04/1736
I know London is a long way from Wye but looking further into the tree several of the Massey/Macey family went onto live in St.Pancreas and were licencees, they were all born in Wye,Kent. I have found 3 so far that went to London and were there in 1851. Was puzzled why the move back to London any how.
Also found a John Massey married to Sarah Bolton in Teynham 4/6/1805. This is the son of Robert Macey/Massey and Mary Castle. On a further census John has the surname Macey. This could then be the link I am looking for.....maybe. Alot of the family also used Massey of Masey for surnames. This John and Mary could therefore, hypothetically, be the grandparents of the John I am searching for.
Any ideas on this one at all. Need to try and find some births for the said John and Mary Massey.
Thanks
Sue
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Sue,
Three baptisms at Teynham,
Mary Ann Macey d/o John and Sarah 24 Nov 1805
William Macey s/o John and Sarah 15 Mar 1807
Sarah Macey d/o John and Sarah 29 Jan 1809
See if I can find any others in the vicinity ???
Tony
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The children of Robert and Mary as baptised at Wye
1777 Robert
1778 Elizabeth
1780 William
1782 John
1784 Thomas
1786 George
1789 Samuel twin
1789 Jane twin
1791 Mary
1794 Francis
1798 Ann
Robert the father is (I assume) the son of another Robert and Mary! He was baptised at Wye in 1752.
Hope this helps in some way. ???
Tony
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Hi,
Sorry to be a pain but yet another look up. The marriage of Robert Macey and Mary Castle/Cassell 17/03/1776. And also Richard Macey and Catherine Carpenter 30/05/1789.
Have researched these families but no access to looking up witnesses. How would I go about this and on what site. Have quite a few to look up but dont want to keep pestering.
Many Thanks
Sue
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The witnesses to the Robert Macey marriage were
Francis Allen? This is my reading of the surname,
Rich'd Beeching (Clerk or some other Church Officer)
Richard Macey's marriage at Eastchurch, Isle of Sheppey
John Goodwin
Richard Tile
Parish Registers from the Deanery of Canterbury are available on Find my Past, a Subscription or (possibly) pay to view site. However, I should point out that that (four Parishes I think) are missing. Plus some parish records are not complete.
Tony