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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: Morannes on Friday 02 October 15 17:10 BST (UK)
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Hello - I am researching for a friend and looking for some help with this family. First of all the marriage of Adam Haldane to Ellen (Helen) McClosky (possibly born Glasgow) - first child was born in 1889 so dates around this. First 2 children Helen and Janet are born in Scotland then they move to London where he becomes a Police Constable. Wife's name comes from the death certificate of a daughter Elspeth who died in USA.
Also is there any record in Scotland of the marriage of daughter Joan Haldane (b1899) to a (Thomas Bell) late teens/early 20s - he could possibly have been from Fife. Can't find a marriage in England so wonder if she married in Scotland. My friend says she had a cousin Nellie Bell (Ellen/Helen) who lived in Scotland so hoping this may be the family.
Many thanks for any help.
Regards Sue
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They married in 1888 in Lasswade ( reg district for Dalkeith). Adam is down as Adam Hadden ( the family also appear under this alternative of Haldane in the 1881 census). He married Ellen Mccluskey.
Isobel
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Wow - what a speedy response. Many thanks Isobel.
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Joan Haldane married Bell in 1920 in Scotland. From the index on Scotlandspeople Joan Haldane or Bell died in 1985.
Isobel
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Hi, a few backward looking bits......
Marriage:
Robert Haldane & Janet Jack married 22 September 1865 in Dalkeith, Midlothian (Adam's parents)
James Mclusky & Ellen Mcarney married 23 October 1853 in Gorbals, Laarkshire (Ellen's parents)
* Ellen's father James was deceased at the time of her marriage to Adam.
children born to Robert & Janet (Jack) Haldane:
Adam born 15 June 1866 Dalkeith
Elspeth Johnston born 15 December 1868 Dalkeith
Jane Menzie born 17 August 1871 Newbattle
Isabella Jack born 5 April 1874 Newbattle
Abraham Jack born 14 November 1881 Lasswade
children born to James & Ellen (Mcairney/Mcarney) McCluskey:
John born 7 January 1856 High Church, Glasgow
Joseph born 12 July 1857 Blythswood, Glasgow
Mary Ann born 19 August 1859 Blythswood, Glasgow
Ellen born 29 December 1861 Glasgow Central
Francis born 29 December 1861 Glasgow Central (twin to Ellen)
Phillip born 7 February 1864 Milton, Glasgow
Patrick born 15 October 1865 Milton, Glasgow
Ellen born 27 September 1867 Milton, Glasgow
John born 25 August 1869 Milton, Glasgow
Patrick born 25 February 1871 Milton,Glasgow
Margaret born 1 March 1873 Milton, Glasgow
* the 1st of these named children Patrick, John & Ellen probably died in infancy which sadly was a regular occurrence.
Hope this helps, Kim
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Many thanks Isobel and Kim for your help.
Can I just go back to Rose Haldane m to ........Bell (Thomas)? and her death in 1985 - can you put dates/places on these 2 events? Also I am looking for more information on their child/children. My friend had a cousin Nellie (Ellen/Helen) Bell a bit younger than her so born before 1926. She has a photo of them together but lost contact a long time ago - is there any information on her birth/marriage/death? Unclear whether she was an only child.
Your help is invaluable - I have never had to look at Scottish records before so was finding it a bit tricky - any advice on finding records would be much appreciated. Regards Sue
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I hope someone is still researching this thread
I have a Rose Haldane 1893 to 1964 she was my paternal grandmother
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Morannes was still active on site last month, so will hopefully receive notification of your post or see it on the boards:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=203166
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Fingers crossed Scotmum x
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Hello Sue - haven't been on Roots for some time and just came across your reply to my post about the Haldane family. My friend if very much still alive and so it would be good to find out more about your grandparents so I can pass this on to her. Once again apologies for not picking up your message sooner but hope we can connect now. Regards Sue
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I am here Sue,
Looking forward to being able to contact your friend.
Rose Haldane is my paternal Grandmother, she married Albert Edward Watkins.
Her father Adam Haldane b.1866 m Helen 'Ellen' McClusky
His father Robert m Janet Jack.
Rose and Albert's children
Walter Adam: Emund Robert: Albert Edward: John Laven (my father): Leonard : Frank William :
Edwin George: David Arthur.
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Hello - my friend is the 93 year old daughter of John Laven Haldane, brother to Rose. When I began research for her she gave me the bare bones of the family tree which I have built on. She knew some dates/names/places from her earlier life but as many of the family had lost touch with each other she had no idea where they all went/when they died etc. She is a neighbour (we live in Somerset) and usually I will go and visit her several times in the week. At the moment though my main contact is by phone and an occasional face to face at a distance. To begin with I will need to talk to her, explain your connection and refresh her memory with names and dates. If you have any specific questions you would like me to ask her then feel free to say. I may even have some answers in the research I have already done. Looking forward to hearing from you. Regards Sue
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I couldn't believe it when you mentioned the name John Laven.. I have found the Watkins' & Haldane' quite difficult to research, and yet the first connection made is another Laven, wow I have been wondering where that came from :) So the first thing I did was to do a search for JLH which gave me a spouse.. Louisa (E Clarke), John a dock policeman, they lived in Deptford in 1939, this has to be correct?
More about you and your research.. do you have some sort genealogical programme, I use My Heritage, I could add you as a guest so that you can have a look around. I would need your email address for that.
Apart from that, I would prefer you asked specific questions rather than let me ramble on :)
Would like to attach a couple of photo's but need to figure out how to.
Btw. in the 1939 it gives another Rose b.June 22 1909 would this be a sister of Louisa ? (Mother of our Louisa)
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Hello - yes you have found the correct marriage. The Rose on the 1939 census is Louise's sister. I store my research on Ancestry but as you mention if I looked at your research I can then help you fill in some gaps on the Haldanes. Some bits are tricky because of the Scottish connection. My email address is suejongarside@gmail.com Look forward to hearing from you. Regards Sue
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Lol this is getting stranger by the day.. I am also Sue Garside :)
Susan Mary Watkins m. Jeffrey Norman Garside m. Brian John Nicholson. I am 73 born 1947 in Blackpool.
Rose Watkins nee Haldane died in 1964, cancer of the cervix.
Shall send cert and a couple of photos by email
Sue x
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Sue do you know of Kim Clarke, researching Clarke / McCluskey?