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Research in Other Countries => South Africa => Topic started by: ajkm on Wednesday 30 September 15 19:04 BST (UK)
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Dear South Africa -
ATCM was my great grandfather b. Clerkenwell, London in 1838 and was a clock-maker. He was the eldest of 12 children of Thomas Martin and Elizabeth (Fennell). It is believe that 3 or 4 of his siblings emigrated to S Africa from about 1868/9. Those who definitely emigrated were Edward Martin b. 1851 in Shoreditch, London and sister Agnes Martin b. 1854/5. Other possibles were Henry b. 1842/3, Arthur 1846/7, Frederick 1849/50, Sarah b 1852/3, Florence 1858/9 and William 1861 all born in London.
Edward started a chain of stores in Johannesburg. I should be interested in whether any of the descendants of any of these are still extant.
AJKM
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Do you have any idea when they may have gone to South Africa, it would help to narrow the search.
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Thanks for the reply.
As mentioned aro 1868/9 I am told
Regards
AJKM
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Sorry, seem to have missed that :-[
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Do you have the full names of any of his siblings? There are many Martin's at the archives making it difficult to work out if they relate to you without a second name.
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Sorry not to have replied earlier. Here is what I have.
The names of all the siblings are as follows:
Alfred Thomas Charles MARTIN b2.6.1838
Selina MARTIN d inf 1840 ; Henry MARTIN b 1842 or 3; Christina MARTIN b 1844/5;
Arthur MARTIN b 1846/7;Frederick MARTIN b 1849/50; Edward MARTIN b Feb/Mar 1851;
Sarah MARTIN b 1852/3; Agnes MARTIN b 1854/5; Caroline MARTIN b 1856/7 m James Glaysher, bookseller, Greenwich, London; Florence MARTIN b 1858/9 ; William MARTIN b 1861
3 or 4 of the siblings are believed to have emigrated to S Africa of which we are reasonably certain about Edward (Ted) and Agnes. Edward went about 1868/9 aged 18. Another was 'Aunty Minnie'
- uncertain how she was related to the others. Edward went on the off-chance of finding work and is believed to have started a chain of stores.
Any news on any descendants would be welcome
AJKM
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Hmm Edward Martin is a little too common in the archives
Here are some possibilities for Agnes - though you would have to get copies to be sure - these can be ordered via eggsa.org if held outside of the Cape Archives or direct from the Cape Archives
One in the Transvaal Archive - though possibly not helpful unless you find a marriage record
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SOURCE MHG
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 0
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 15178
PART 1
DESCRIPTION DAVIDSON, JAMES.
STARTING 19100000
ENDING 19100000
REMARKS SURVIVING SPOUSE AGNES DAVIDSON (BORN MARTIN).
and one in the Cape Archives
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SOURCE MOOC
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 6/9/3047
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 12983
PART 1
DESCRIPTION MARTIN, AGNES. ESTATE PAPERS.
STARTING 19260000
ENDING 19260000
The latter document should reference the parents of Agnes
Both of these would be a long shot
Regards
Gillian
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If I limit a search to Transvaal only I come up with these possibilities for Edward
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SOURCE MHG
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 0
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 66949
PART 1
DESCRIPTION MARTIN, EDWARD.
STARTING 19270000
ENDING 19270000
REMARKS SURVIVING SPOUSE HENRIETTA SARAH MARTIN.
If he had a middle name
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TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 0
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REFERENCE 38568
PART 1
DESCRIPTION MARTIN, EDWARD ALBERT.
STARTING 19180000
ENDING 19180000
DEPOT TAB
SOURCE MHG
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 0
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 58257
PART 1
DESCRIPTION MARTIN, EDWARD ROPER.
STARTING 19250000
ENDING 19250000
REMARKS PREDECEASED SPOUSE LEATHY MARTIN (BORN HUNT).
Regards
Gillian
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I have checked out Edward 1927 and Edward Albert and neither of them are your Edward unfortunately. The Edward born in 1927 was born in England in 1861 not 1851 and was a miner. Edward Albert was born in Australia.
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I have just checked the Agnes Martin/Davidson and it is not her :(
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Checked the other Agnes who died 1926 was born around 1855 in Scotland and her parents were Robert and Agnes and she died unmarried, and the list of her siblings does not match yours. :-\
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As you can see we are having no luck here at all :(
Just a thought:
I noticed that none of the sons has any of the names of their father which was quite unusual for those days as so many parents followed the naming tradition. Is it possible that you do not have their correct names i.e. Alfred Henry and not just Henry? You did not give Alfred's wife's name - did the girls follow any form of naming tradition?