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Title: Gill family
Post by: TaraLGill on Wednesday 23 September 15 19:03 BST (UK)
Hi looking for any more details on the GILL family.

This is the info I have

Eric Gill born 3-10-1929
Lottie May Gill born 16-4-1931

Their parents were

Mary gwendoline hetty may
William John gill born 30-6-1896
Married in Bodmin on 24-1-1928

William's siblings were

Lizzie May Gill
Born 10-10-1887
Died 8-2-1902

Lottie gill
Born 6-2-1883

Sabery (unsure on spelling) Phillips gill
Born 26-11-1881

Lottie married
David James Bassett
Born 1879
They married 26-1-1918 in San Francisco
Their children were
David James Bassett
Born 13-7-1919
Annie Vesta Bassett
Born 3-3-1921
Elizabeth Jane lucette Bassett
Born 16-4-1923

Sabery married harry bate
On 18-8-1910 at st endellion
Their children were
Sabery bate
Born 20-9-1911
Harry roy bate
Born 5-8-1913

William John gill's parents were

Lizzie Jane Phillips
Born 17-4-1863
Died 13-5-1927
William John gill
Born 9-5-1864
Died 29-5-1932
He was a mariner
They married on 29-9-188?

William John gill's (1864-1932) siblings were
Mary Jane gill
Born 1872
Edith gill
Born 1876
Richard gill
Born 1878
fanny gill
Born 1880

Their parents were

William John gill
Born 1842
Also a mariner
He married Jane ? Born 1842

William John gill's (1842) siblings were

John gill (1844)
Frank gill (1846)

Their parents were

Mary ? 1808
John gill 1803
Baptised 3-7-1806 poughill

John gill's (1803) siblings were

William gill 23-5-1808 poughill
Richard gill 30-9-1810 poughill
Betsey gill 6-1-1813 poughill

Their parents were

Richard gill
Elizabeth creeper
Married 11-5-1805 poughill

John gill (1803) possibly remarried Hannah Thomas (1815) according to census record.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Especially places of death to visit graves.

Thanks
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: [Ray] on Thursday 24 September 15 08:45 BST (UK)
Hi

Bearing in mind how much detail that you do have, filling in a gap . . . . .

Marriage 1881 Sept Bodmin 5c 97
William John Gill / Lizzie Jane Phillips


Are you looking for anything specific?

Ancestry tree . . . . .
http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/368138/family?cfpid=-1576868642


Ray
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: TaraLGill on Thursday 24 September 15 09:31 BST (UK)
Thanks Ray for the date. It was from a piece of paper saved from a fire, there are burn marks all over it & a nice big ashy smudge at the end of that date. The fire i believe was out at st breward.

I think my grandad mostly wants to just know more information about the people, where they are buried, what they did etc.

I do have a possible mystery though. Searching ancestry I've found a Thomas gill as a possible parent instead of one of the William/William John's.

After my morning coffee I'm off to my parents where the big paper is & going through & checking against any birth certificate I can find as the rest of the family is correct, dates included!, which is what has me confused.
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: ThrelfallYorky on Thursday 24 September 15 11:39 BST (UK)
It sounds as if you're planning a visit over to England to visit places with family connections. May it be an idea to try posting some request(s) on the appropriate county board? Just a thought, I looked at this because I've got a few Gills ( that sounds funny, but you know what I mean)- but the only Gills I've got are Cumberland, and yours sound West Country. Good luck with your search.
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: TaraLGill on Thursday 24 September 15 11:44 BST (UK)
I'm in Cornwall, visited many of their graves.

My conflicting info is the parents of William John gill
Born 9-5-1864 or October 1864
Died 29-5-1932 in bodmin, Cornwall

He married Lizzie Jane Phillips
Born 17-4-1963 or 1965
Died 13-5-1927 in bodmin, Cornwall

They married 29-9-1881 or July 1881 in bodmin, Cornwall.

I'm struggling to find a birth record for William to find his parents & solve this confusion.

They were mariners & travelled,  there are living relatives in USA that we know of.
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: Avia on Thursday 24 September 15 13:26 BST (UK)
Hi

This marriage record on FreeReg on the following link, gives the name of William John Gill's father as William.

http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510dfa5e9379002710ae462?search_id=5603e9b6f4040b058a000121
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: Avia on Thursday 24 September 15 14:05 BST (UK)
And this marriage record on FreeReg looks like the one for William John Gill's mum and dad and gives his mum's name as Jane Moorman

http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510dfa4e9379002710ae102?search_id=5603f2bdf4040b059f000d14
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: TaraLGill on Thursday 24 September 15 14:10 BST (UK)
You're good, any ideas why when I click the link it just takes me to the search page rather than the record you've found.
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: Avia on Thursday 24 September 15 14:26 BST (UK)
No sorry I get the full link  ???  Do you need further details to find them from the search page?

Filling in a couple of other details missing from your 1st post

Lottie Gill died 8 Aug 1941
(hope this link works  :) )

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VG56-QGL

Sabery Phillips Gill died
Q1 1965
Penzance
V: 7A P: 2
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: LizzieL on Thursday 24 September 15 14:30 BST (UK)
Merchant seaman's records on FindMyPast might have some of your ancestors

This one could be William John

W J Gill b 1864 Port Isaac  Mate on vessel Pursuit (44244) 1 July 1891 to 31 Dec 1891 Padstow. 72 ton sailing boat. master: W J Gill, owner John Phillips.
Previous vessel Marian 1891 Padstow
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: TaraLGill on Thursday 24 September 15 14:50 BST (UK)
Can anyone find any info on fanny gill born 1880 died 1917 st breock

Mainly want parents confirming thanks
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: Avia on Thursday 24 September 15 15:03 BST (UK)
1881 Census

In Port Isaac - All listed as born in Port Isaac

William Gill
Head
B: 1842
Mariner

Jane Gill
Wife
B:1842
Mariner's Wife

William John Gill
Son
B: 1865
Scholar

Mary Jane Gill
Daughter
B: 1872
Scholar

Edith Gill
Daughter
B: 1876
Scholar

Richard Gill
Son
B: 1878

Fanny Gill
Daughter
B: 1880

John Gill
Father
Widower
Labourer (Ag)
B:1803
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: LizzieL on Thursday 24 September 15 15:04 BST (UK)
Have you got the marriage of John 1805 and Mary?

Freebmd has a possibility
John Gill bac abode St Teath married Mary Brown Richards sp abode St Endelion at St Endelion on 7 July 1832.
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: TaraLGill on Thursday 24 September 15 15:11 BST (UK)
Hi

No I don't have John & Mary's wedding.
John was born in poughill baptised on 3-7-1806

I'm unsure on all of John & Mary's children. I have a Richard, Ann, Mary, & Betsy who are potentially theirs. Can anyone confirm this.
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: LizzieL on Thursday 24 September 15 15:34 BST (UK)
1851 census has John and Mary with children William, John and Frank.

1861 census they have Betsy Smith married daughter with them

1871 is confusing, John is down as grandfather, with Jane as wife and William as son. But I think it must mean the household is Jane (wife of John's son William) and their William and Jane's son William (1864) who is John's grandson. William snr possibly away at sea on census night.

I can't see a Richard anywhere apart from with another John and Mary in St Austell
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: TaraLGill on Thursday 24 September 15 15:39 BST (UK)
Betsy I've got born 1833 lanteglos
Mary born 1836 lanteglos
Ann born 1838 lanteglos
Richard born 1839 lanteglos

So I'm assuming most are married & left the house by the time of the cencus
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: LizzieL on Thursday 24 September 15 15:42 BST (UK)
Cornwall OPC site has the baptism of a Betsy Gill in St Teath to John and mary on 1  1833, abode Marows in Lanteglos, his occ Farmer

Or they could have died young. Richard would only be 12 in 1851 a bit young to leave home but he could have been staying with rellies. I haven't found the family in 1841
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: TaraLGill on Thursday 24 September 15 15:47 BST (UK)
We've also find Betsy living with them in 1861 married as Betsy Smith so I'd say she's correct.
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: LizzieL on Thursday 24 September 15 15:50 BST (UK)
St Teath

Ann bapt 15 Apr 1837
Richard 1 Jan 1839
Willam 17 Sep 1840
on William's baptism it gives mother's name as Mary Brown, i.e Brown is her middle name, so confirms the marriage I found to Mary Brown Richards and could mean her mother's maiden name was Brown.

haven't found mary yet, but there is a gap for her to fit in. maybe mistranscribed.
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: TaraLGill on Thursday 24 September 15 15:54 BST (UK)
William isn't that old according to what I have, he's 1842/43 going from census records
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: Avia on Thursday 24 September 15 15:57 BST (UK)
Going back to Fanny Gill 1880-1917 for a moment

Free BMD

Deaths 1917

Q1
Fanny Gill
St Columb (Reg District for St. Breock)
Age 55
V: 5C P: 132

This means that this Fanny would have been born around 1862, however, I couldn't find a recorded registration of birth for a Fanny/Frances Gill in Cornwall around 1880. Also when I took another look at the 1881 Census it has Fanny as a son not daughter - thought this was just a simple error!  Until I looked at the 1891 Census.  There is no Fanny with the family but there is a Frank B: 1880, Port Isaac. There is also an additional daughter Annie B: 1882.

Free BMD

Births 1879

Q4
Frank Gill
Bodmin
V: 5C P: 84
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: LizzieL on Thursday 24 September 15 16:05 BST (UK)
of the merchant seaman's records gives William's birth year as 1841 and it would be calculated from recorded age. He would have been born after civil registration started, so if you have his birth cert it would confirm

Betsy Gill married Richard Smith at St John (don't know where that is but both gave St John as abode) on 21 Aug 1856. record on Cornwall opc. Richard was a seaman. Record confirms her father is John. One of the witnesses was a Catherine Smith
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: LizzieL on Thursday 24 September 15 16:08 BST (UK)
1881 census has Fanny as a son, the female Fanny Gill death may be her married name.
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: LizzieL on Thursday 24 September 15 16:21 BST (UK)
1861 census has a Fanny B Gill a few months old, daughter of Rebecca Gill. There are lots of other children and a lodger called Thomas Bunt. I did see some St Teath baptisms for some children with Bunt as middle name, so it looks as though he was recognised as the father of some of them.
The census says she is unmaried, but when Rebecca and Thomas married later in 1861 she was a widow, her father had different surname so likely to be right.

Rebecca could be widow of a sibling of one of the people we're looking at. Her maiden name was Chilcott.
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: Avia on Thursday 24 September 15 16:23 BST (UK)
Some additional info on Frank Gill B: 1879 D: 1962 Bath - he is a Coachman in Bath, Somerset in 1901 and 1911 Census.

He marries Anstise Kate Norton (B: 17 Feb 1882 Topsham D: Q1 1976 Bath) on 20 Jan 1908 in Topsham, Devon.  Her father's name is John Norton.

They have a daughter Kathleen who is 9 months old B: Bath in the 1911 Census.
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: LizzieL on Thursday 24 September 15 16:31 BST (UK)
Just found her first marriage
01 Jan 1844
at  Lanteglos by Camelford
William Gill of full age bachelor occ farmer abode Pitt in Lanteglos
married Rebecca Chilcott sp of full age abode Maypole cottage in Lanteglos
Groom Father Name   Richard Gill occ farmer
 Bride Father Name   Langford Chilcott occ farmer
By Banns, both made their mark
Witnesses Grace Gill and Thomas Burt

Another William son of Richard in same area - the family's expanding


added
This must be the 1808 William (john's brother) at the bottom of original message, they are the sons of Richard.
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: LizzieL on Thursday 24 September 15 17:01 BST (UK)
burial for Richard Gill of St Endelion at St Teath on 26 Oct 1851 age 81. could be your first Richard. He is on 1851 census visiting the Brown family. Mrs Brown is called Betsy and born in Poughill about 1813, could she actually be his daughter?
His place of birth looks like Advent.
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: LizzieL on Thursday 24 September 15 17:10 BST (UK)
 on a roll now!

Richard Gill baptised in Advent on 17 Aug 1770, s/o John and Elizabeth.
on Cornwall opc site transcribed from BTs

Two earlier children come up for same couple, they called them John(1765) and Elizabeth (1768). Why were our ancestors so unoriginal with names?

Likely marriage is John Gill and Elizabeth Smart in Advent on 6 sep 1763. no further information about them unfortunately
Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: LizzieL on Thursday 24 September 15 17:27 BST (UK)
Now a long shot. A john Gill was buried in St Teath on 25 Nov 1817 age 79. This would  make birth year around 1738, not unreasonable to have married in 1763 (age 25).

Was he widowed and went to St Teath to live with one of his children?

Title: Re: Gill family
Post by: TaraLGill on Thursday 24 September 15 17:43 BST (UK)
Just looking for more info on these few. I don't think the st teath ones are down this line. Also I believe fanny is male just people assume it's a female.