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		Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: Trees on Sunday 20 September 15 19:17 BST (UK) 
		
			
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				I have now found four Mormon connections to our tree not direct line but nether the less interesting. BUT now I have hit a strange problem.
 I'm looking at the North Devon Bale family and find that 4 brothers emigrated more or less at the same time . Three settled in Canada and appear on various censuses as Methodists. The fourth went to Utah and married there
 "Anna Bibbins Chaffee Bale (1811 - 1881)  - Daughter of Amos Chaffee and Harmony Crary. Married Elijah Fordham, 3 Oct 1838, Ashford, Windham, Connecticut.  Children: Amos Pierre Fordham, Lydia Lovonia Fordham.
 Married Joseph Bale, 27 Feb 1857, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah."
 I have seen photos of her memorial on several An..ry trees
 Anna Bibbins Chaffee Fordham Bale 24 March 1811-8 December 1881
 she married in a plural marriage  Elijah Fordham, 3 Oct 1838, Ashford, Windham, Connecticut.
 but Elijah Fordham did not die until 1879 well after she married Joseph Bale.
 There are several accounts of Elijah#s life on line none mentioning a divorce although all mention his marriage to Anna
 an anyone help to get to the true situation please.
 Are there any censuses available that show Anna after 1857 were any of her Fordham children with her and Joseph for example. Are there records of Mormon divorce?
 Hope some one can shine a light on the situation
 Trees ???
 
 
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				1850 Great Salt Lake, Utah Territory,
 
 Anna B Fordham  40
 Amos O Fordham  10 Born Iowa  Anna M Fordham  6 Born Illinois
 Joseph Fordham  Born Iowa 4 Emily Fordham  0  Born Des
 Achsa White  39
 Henry White  20
 
 1860 The daughter Anna, Joseph, Elija and Delia (probably Emily on the 1850  ???) Fordham was with her father Elijah - Great Salt Lake City Ward 17, Great Salt Lake, Utah Territory
 
 Elijah Fordham  62 Amelia Fordham  47
 Elizabeth Fordham  20  Amos P Fordham  18
 Elijah Fordham  3 Joseph Fordham  11
 George Fordham  30 Anna Fordham  15
 Delia Fordham  10
 
 Sandra
 
 
 
 
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				Have you read these entries on FIND A GRAVE they give some good accounts. Sadly not one for Anna Bibbins Chaffee Bale 
 
 Elijah Fordham -
 
 http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=9347388
 
 Daughter Anna Marie Fordham Deakin
 
 http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=40051811
 
 Sandra
 
 
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				Strange the children are with Anna and Joseph as well according to this 1860 census 3d Ward Great Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah Territory. Under the spelling BAEL and Joseph as Josiah Bael  ???
 
 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MH2W-RZB
 
 Josiah Bael      48   Connecticut
 Anna Bael      49      Connecticut
 Joseph Bael   13   Iowa
 Emily Bael      9   Utah
 Anna M Bael   16   Illinois
 John Gardner   54   England
 
 Sandra
 
 
 Anna married 1863 as per find a grave entry - Joseph Ellijah married 10 July 1870
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				Joseph Bale - 13th Ward Gsl City - Salt Lake County - 1856
 
 Joseph Bale - 8 S bet 2 and 3 E - Salt Lake City - 1879
 
 Joseph Bale - 231 e Eighth South - Salt Lake - 1884
 
 Joseph Bale - 1814 England - Died 27 March 1890 - Burial - 27 March 1890 - Salt Lake City, Utah.
 
 Membership of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1830-1848
 
 Joseph Bale - 18 November 1814 - Father Joseph Bale Mother Prudence Curtis - Brick Mason - Spouse Anna Bibbons Chaffee
 Baptism Date - May 7, 1844 Patriarchal Blessing Date: December 4, 1842 Nauvoo, Hancock, Illinois USA Officiator: Smith, H.
 
 https://www.namesinstone.com/Sources.aspx?dec=581493
 
 FIND A GRAVE
 
 http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=40372661&ref=acom
 
 Sandra
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				Sorry I had to disappear for a while.
 Josh that is all very interesting so have Anna and Elijah already split up by 1850 or was it norm for plural marriage families to live quiet separately so it isn't odd that Elijah wasn't with the family? umm  I will read those links and get back to the thread
 Many thanks I wasn't sure you would be able to get the censuses from the States as well as Canada I really do value your help :)
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				How odd the children under different surnames but with the same ages and place of birth on both censuses. I have found a situation before when the great con man of my tree Edwin Turner Osbaldeston appears on two different USA censuses with two different families in the same year ..in that case it was possible as the different states took the census on different dates. Is this a similar scenario i wonder. it looks like both parents have "claimed the children" How sad I hope they were not too traumatised. Anna doesn't mention her parents splitting up in her biography does she we can only wonder at it all at this distance through time.How odd too that Joseph has changed his birth place from Devon to Connecticut. Had Joseph and Anna left the Mormon  community do you think its all very confusing She must have been divorced as it looks like a formal marriage with Joseph Bale
 Josh I wish these were closer to the trunk of my tree rather than being out on the limbs must e mail all this now to your name sake I have shown her a few corrections and pointed her to Roots chat I do hope she joins in.
 H.
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				I did wonder if they separated when the authorities started arresting the men for polygamy but looking at the family I already have that seemed to be around 1887 so well after this apparent divorce. Would they have had to divorce before she married again though I suppose legally they weren't married at all. The one I know who was arrested the 2nd and 3rd wives also stood trial only the first wife was considered truly married. Am I right in thinking Anna married Joseph Bale with the name Anna Bibbins Chaffee not Anna Bibbins Fordham? That would mean it wasn't considered her legal name or would it? umm this is fascinating
			
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				Ahh I have found this https://familysearch.org/photos/images/7142860?p=3026102
 It says "Elijah married Ann Bibbins CHAFFEE 3rd October 1838.....the sealing of Elijah and Anna Bibbins was cancelled 29 October 1851 it was later reinstated by their family she married Joseph Bale 27 February 1857 in salt Lake City and were sealed in the endowment house the same day" Apparently Elijah and Joseph worked together.
 Now what does this mean is the cancelling of a seal the same as a divorce?  I am confused by the terminology is an endowment a marriage is the marriage legally accepted or only true with in the Mormon community? Oh help its very strange .
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				I don't think they got divorced as such at that time, the cancelling of the temple seal was the end of the marriage. Then when Anna remarried to Joseph Bale that marriage was sealed in time and eternity.
 In 1890, church president Wilford Woodruff issued a Manifesto that officially terminated the practice of polygamy but didn't dissolve existing plural marriages.
 
 Sandra
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				1870 census Utah, shows Annie with husband William Deakin but no sign of mother and Joseph Bale
 page is very faint.
 
 William Deakin  37 Annie M Deakin  25
 Annie M Deakin  5 Emala Deakin  3 Mary Deakin  1
 
 
 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MNCR-6PK
 
 Sandra
 
 
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				1880 census Wellsville, Cache, Utah - Annie, William and children - so sign of mother and Joseph Bale.
 
 P. William Deakin  47   A. Anne Deakin  36
 A. Moriah Pepper  15  J. Mary Deakin  11
 W. John Deakin  9   J. Elijah Deakin  7
 P. Robert Deakin  4  D. Lilian Deakin  6 months
 
 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MNSJ-DSJ
 
 Sandra
 
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				I wonder if this 1870 census would be a possibility for Joseph and Anna  ???  Occupation for Joseph fits quite well   ;D St George, Washington, Utah Territory. 
 
 Joseph Ball  58 Born England. Brick Mason. Value of Real Estate $500. Value of personal estate $150
 Annie Ball  59 Born Conn.
 
 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MNCB-L6G
 
 Looks like Bale on the image.  ;D
 
 Sandra
 
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				Now that looks like them well done I'd never get this information with out your help
 Many many thanks for your continued support
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				I wonder if this 1870 census would be a possibility for Joseph and Anna  ???  Occupation for Joseph fits quite well   ;D St George, Washington, Utah Territory. 
 
 Joseph Ball  58 Born England. Brick Mason. Value of Real Estate $500. Value of personal estate $150
 Annie Ball  59 Born Conn.
 
 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MNCB-L6G
 
 Looks like Bale on the image.  ;D
 
 Sandra
 
 
 Looks like I found this one on the other thread reply 31 - January 2011 (and I usually have a good memory  ;))
 
 http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=505534.27
 
 Sandra
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				So you did I wonder why I haven't added it at that point its now well and truely added
			
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				Copied this over from the other Bale thread
 
 There are several different versions of Elijah Fordham;s biography I have now found references that Anna Bibbins Chaffee left him when he wanted to take another wife, their "sealing" was cancelled and she married Joseph Bale. What is not clear is how many more wives he took and who they were . Some say three more others four most seem to agree he married two on the same day though one thinks this was not true the two were sealed or endowed together. One account also say he married a widow and wanted to marry her daughter at the same time but the younger woman refused and was banished from the home..
 The 1860 census Sandra found shows him with 20 year old Elizabeth this was the Welsh born
 Elizabeth HUGHES who he married when she was 16 and he 58. Her sister had been married at 14. Is there any way I can find the truth of all his marriages?
 
 1.  This one you have accounted for - Elijah married Anna Bibbins Chaffee - 3 oct 1838 Ashford Wyndham Ontario.
 2.  Then there was Amelia Brown Spencer 1 April 1856 Salt Lake City Utah (they were the couple on the 1860 census)
 
 There are also others listed on family search -
 
 SPOUSE
 
 Bithiah FISHER - MARRIAGE - 12 April 1830 Oakland City, Oakland, Mich.
 
 
 Elizabeth HUGHES - Marriage -21 March 1850 - Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah
 
 
 Jane Ann Fisher - Marriage - 23 November 1822 New York City, New York, NY
 
 
 Clarissa BROOKS OR FOSDICK - Marriage -  February 1846 New York City, New York
 
 
 Jane Marshall MCAUSLAN - Marriage - 1 April 1856
 
 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:1:M7VP-8JX
 
 Sandra
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				This was the daughter from the first marriage - Bethiah
 
 Mrs Bethiah Wells - Born 29 June 1831 Oakland Michigan - Obituary-20 Feb 1920 Utah.
 Death Place Willard. Newspaper -   Box Elder News
 
 http://udn.lib.utah.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/boxelder/id/72958/show/72958/rec/1
 
 Sandra
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				FIND A GRAVE
 
 Bithiah Fordham Wells
 
 Burial: Willard Precinct Cemetery  Willard Box Elder County Utah.
 
 http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=WE&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GSst=47&GScntry=4&GSsr=3241&GRid=47544321&
 
 US International Marriage Record shows Bithiah Fordham married 1849
 
 Sandra
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				Church of Latter Day Saints - Bathia Fordham 
 
 Father Elijah Fordham - Mother Bethiah Fisher
 
 Birth Date 2 Jun 1825 - Alternate Birth Dates -2  June  1831
 Birth Place - Oakland, Oakland, Michigan, USA
 Alternate Birth Places - Pontiac, Oakland, Michigan USA
 Death Date 11 Feb 1920  - Alternate Death Dates - 18  February 1920
 LDS Church Ordinance Data Baptism Date - 2 June 1881
 LDS Temple Data -  Baptism Date - 31 March1966 - Endowment Date - 3  February  1846 Temple -  Nauvoo, Hancock, Illinois.  Endowment Date 12 September 1966 - Temple -  Logan, Cache, Utah -  Sealed to Parents Date January 17, 1895 Temple - Logan, Cache, Utah.
 
 Sandra
 
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				Biography of Bithiah Fordham Wells
 
 https://familysearch.org/photos/stories/13165861
 
 Sandra
 
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				Spouse -   Jane Ann Fisher - married 23 November 1822 at New York City, New York.
 Children -  Ann Eliza Fordham, George Fisher Fordham, Jane Olivia Fordham.
 Wife Jane Ann dies in Manhattan, New York, New York, at age 26 18 July 1828 aged 30 years.
 
 Spouse - Bethiah (Bathiah, Bathia, Bithiah) Fisher married 12 April 1830  New York City - aged 32 years
 Wife Bathia (Bathiah, Bethiah) dies in Pontiac, Oakland, Michigan 11 March 1834 aged 36 years.
 
 
 Spouse -   Anna Bibbins Chaffee married 3 October 1838 at Ashford, Windham, Connecticut
 Children -  Lydia Lovina Fordham, Amos Pierre Fordham, Anna Maria Fordham, Joseph Elijah Fordham, Mary Louisa Fordham, Emily Adelia Fordham.
 
 Spouse -   Amelia [Brown?]
 There was a chronology someone wrote earlier this year about Amelie incluiding this piece.
 
 October 1850, Salt Lake City -  Upon arrival in the city, Amelia was greeted by Addison Everett, who had been the branch president in NYC, and was an old friend.  He and his wife invited Amelia and her two girls to live with them temporarily.   By the following spring, they are listed as being in the household of Elijah Fordham, and in 1856 Amelia  married  him.
 
 1861, Salt Lake City -  Amelia is divorced from Elijah Fordham sometime soon after this year.  No record shows her going to St. George with Elijah
 
 Passed away May 1877 - Amelia died in St. George, buried as Amelia Brown Spencer Smith.  Death records list her this way, but her cemetery marker says Amelia Brown Spencer.  [I (read chronology) was told that the surname Smith was attached because she was sealed to Joseph Smith after his death.]
 
 http://billiongraves.com/pages/record/Amelia-Spencer-Spencer-Brown/1807895#given_names=Amelia&family_names=Brown
 
 https://familysearch.org/photos/stories/13623682
 
 Spouse -   Clarissa Brooks or Fosdick born 15 August 1799 -  Goshen, Litchfield Co., Connecticut may have married 6 Feb. 1846 New York City.
 
 Has Jane Ann Fisher and Bathiah Fisher sealed to him 12 May 1848 - aged 48 years.
 
 Spouse -   Elizabeth Hughes married 21 March 1856 Salt Lake City Utah.
 Child -  Elizabeth Mary Fordham
 
 Spouse -   Jane Marshall McAuslan born 12 March 1828 - Kirkintilloch, Dunbartonshire, Scotland  may have married 1 April 1856 in Salt Lake City, Utah Territory - divorced  30 July 1858 Salt Lake City, Utah
 Children -  William Elijah Fordham born 5 Jan 1857, Salt Lake City, Utah
 
 
 http://familyrecorder.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/elijah-fordham-1798-1879.html
 
 Busy chap  ;D
 Sandra
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				1850 Great Salt Lake, Utah Territory,
 
 Anna B Fordham  40
 Amos O Fordham  10 Born Iowa  Anna M Fordham  6 Born Illinois
 Joseph Fordham  Born Iowa 4 Emily Fordham  0  Born Des
 Achsa White  39
 Henry White  20
 
 1860 The daughter Anna, Joseph, Elija and Delia (probably Emily on the 1850  ???) Fordham was with her father Elijah - Great Salt Lake City Ward 17, Great Salt Lake, Utah Territory
 
 Elijah Fordham  62 Amelia Fordham  47
 Elizabeth Fordham  20  Amos P Fordham  18
 Elijah Fordham  3 Joseph Fordham  11
 George Fordham  30 Anna Fordham  15
 Delia Fordham  10
 
 Sandra
 
 
 Elijah was with Amelia in 1850 Great Salt Lake county, Great Salt Lake, Utah Territory.
 
 Elijah Fordham    54  New York
 Amelia Fordham    46  New York
 Julia Fordham     13  New York  Julia was Julia Josephine Spencer.
 Henrietta Fordham     12 New York
 
 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MCS6-B9X
 
 Sandra
 
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				Clarissa Fosdick  - Born  15 Aug 1799 - Goshen, Litchfield, Connecticut.
 
 Residences: Missouri,
 
 
 L D S Endowment Date - January 12, 1846 Temple: Nauvoo, Hancock, Illinois.
 
 Clarissa Fosdick  Self (Head)
 Elijah Fordham  Spouse
 
 Sandra
 
 
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				1850 - St Louis Ward 5, St Louis (Independent City), Missouri
 
 Louis Grant  35 Eliza Grant  27
 Elvira J Grant  6
 Clarrisa Fosdick  50
 
 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5PC-69Z
 
 1860 - St Louis Ward 8, St Louis (Independent City), Missouri
 
 Clarissa Fosdick  61
 Elvira Grand  16
 
 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MH83-5JX
 
 Clarisan Fosdick born 1800 passed away 31 August 1865 - aged 65 years - Hertto St Louis.
 Cemetery - Wesleyan
 
 Sandra
 
 
 
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				Membership of The Church of Christ Latter Day Saints - Clarissa Fosdick - Spouse - 6 February 1846 - Elijah Fordham  Self (Head) 
 Jane Ann Fisher  Spouse  - Anne Eliza Fordham  Child  - George Fordham  Child
 Bethiah Fisher  Spouse - Bathiah Fordham  Child  - Mormon Fordham  Child
 Anna Bibbins Chaffee  Spouse - Lydia Lovina Fordham  Child - Amos Pier Fordham  Child
 Anna Maria Fordham  Child - Joseph Fordham  Child  - Mary Louisa Fordham  Child
 Emily Adelia Fordham  Child
 Clarissa Fosdick  Spouse  Elizabeth Mary Fordham  Child
 Jane Marshall McAuslan  Spouse  William Elijah Fordham  Child
 Amelia Spencer  Spouse
 
 Sandra
 
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				Look no Elizabeth Hughes
 then look Look reply 16
 Elizabeth HUGHES - Marriage -21 March 1850 - Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah
 and reply26
 Elizabeth Hughes married 21 March 1856 Salt Lake City Utah.
 
 This is exactly the problem I am having there are several different versions of Elijah's biography all giving conflicting dataseveral give his marriage to  Amelia as April 1 1856 ton the same day as the marriage to Jane Marshall MCAUSLAN  and just a month after he married Elizabeth! So the earlier date for Elizabeth's marriage looks more likely but then she would only have been 10!!!
 but this one http://www.longislandsurnames.com/getperson.php?personID=I03111&tree=Fordhamhas:
 "The 1856 date comes from the record of Susan Ward Easton-Black's „Membership of the LDS Church.‰ Easton-Black has Amelia sealed to Elijah (1 Apr 1856) before they were married (which she gives as 6 Apr 1856), not a possible circumstance. Easton-Black says her information came from a Family Group Sheet filled out by Elijah Fordham himself. But the 1850 federal census shows that Amelia and Elijah were married in 1850. Thus my conclusion is that there was a typo in Easton-Black's work or that Fordham‚s handwriting on the family group sheet led her to misinterpret an "0" as a "6." Thus the marriage year is not 1856, but 1850. They were sealed on April 1, 1856[."
 
 This ttps://familysearch.org/photos/stories/13623682  also says
 "When Amelia got to Utah, she was taken in by both Addison Everett and his wife and by Elijah Fordham, who wanted to marry both her and her young daughter Julia, according to various family accounts."
 
 Its so confusing and hard to know what the truth actually was.
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				Oh dear this one"Pioneers and prominent men of Utah By Frank Esshom" page 875  says that Elizabeth Hughes married Elijah and Amos Pierre Fordhan son of Elijah and Anna Bibbins CHAFFEE
 there is also a tree on Rootsweb with Elizabeth married to Amos showing her parents the same as the one married to Elijah...
 http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=8794549 for Amos Pierre Fordham also has him married to Elizabeth Hughes.
 Oh dear what is the correct one what documents can we believe? They are driving me crazy
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				It is difficult, I spent a couple of hours last night and a few hours today to try and collate all the information with what records I could find.  Probably one of those mysteries that will never be fully solved because of conflicting information.
 
 The link in reply 16 goes to a pedigree file where both marriages to both father and son are mentioned.
 
 On the 1860 census Elizabeth Hughes, daughter Elizabeth Fordham and Amos are all with Elijah.  By 1870 Brighton, Salt Lake, Utah Territory. Amos is with Elizabeth and a daughter May Fordham - The daughter of Elijah and Elizabeth - Elizabeth Fordham passed away in 1867. By 1880 Amos is married to Lydia Alice Brandon Fordham (Alice)
 
 This was the daughter Elizabeth Mary Fordham, (4 April 1867)  also shown is the mother of Elizabeth Hughes - Ann Picton.
 
 FIND A GRAVE
 
 Burial Salt Lake City Cemetery  Salt Lake City Salt Lake County Utah.
 Plot: E-7-11
 
 http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=31296080&PIpi=13956760
 
 
 Sandra
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				No I am sure that Ann Picton was Elizabeth Hughes' mother her husband died of Cholera on journey from wales leaving Ann with a son age 10 and five little girls. I 'll look to see if Julia Ann was one of the other daughters
 Now why is julia Ann Clark on the same memorial
 https://familysearch.org/patron/v2/TH-300-46926-153-36/dist.pdf?ctx=ArtCtxPublic&session=USYS8563C7FD4C117732318AF040D0DE85B0_idses-prod02.a.fsglobal.net
 Julia Ann
 Clark f. JosephOClark+Ann
 [2P5B-P1]
 born 28 Dec 1856 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah Territory; LDS Baptized 10 Jul
 1894 in LOGAN; LDS Endowed 11 Jul 1894 in LOGAN; LDS Sealed to
 Parents 27 Nov 1962; died 2 May 1877 in <Salt Lake
 City, Salt Lake,
 Utah Territory>; buried May 1877 in Salt Lake City
 Cemetery, Salt Lake
 City, Salt Lake, Utah Territory.  She married (1) David John Taylor
 (2) Alfred James Stratton
 
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				Still plodding along trying to prepare a profile for Elijah and his many wives but I just have to share this little find
 Elijah and Anna Bibbins Chaffee had a daughter Ann Maria
 She married John Pepper 07 Mar 1863 • Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, USA
 they in turn had a daughter Annie Mariah PEPPER
 she married Charles W SALT 7 Mar 1895 • Utah, Utah, United States
 making her Annie Mariah Pepper Salt
 I bet their food was well seasoned
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 Now what does this mean is the cancelling of a seal the same as a divorce?  I am confused by the terminology is an endowment a marriage is the marriage legally accepted or only true with in the Mormon community? Oh help its very strange .
 
 I am not sure if this was answered:
 "Sealing" is an ordinance that is performed in the LDS temples. It is believed by the Mormons that  a couple can be sealed together for all time and eternity. Families can be sealed to each other as well. Canceling the sealing was not a divorce. It is just a recognition that they won't be sealed together.  When Anna canceled the sealing, she was wanting to get married and "sealed" to her soon to be  second husband.
 
 An endowment is an ordinance performed in the temple. People have to have this first before getting married and sealed in the temple. I am going to make this easy on me and post a link.
 
 http://www.ldschurchtemples.com/mormon/endowment/
 LDS marriages are legally accepted, expect involving polygamy.
 
 
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				Great Tricia that makes it a lot clearer In a sort of way endowment is parallel with confirmation after a period of instruction allowing full membership of the church and allowing the person to be more open to the Holy Ghost. And a promise to do God's Will and work in return for His presence with that person.LDS Confirmation seems to be imediately after baptism so doesn't seem to be the same thing as I understand it from the anglican point of view. out of interest if a child has to be of the age of understanding to be baptisedare they not considered members of the church community before that time?
 In the UK even before civil registrations in 1837 marriages had to be entered in registers and had to happen in established churches what was the situation in America Were marriages registered anywhere or only recorded where they happened? I have found two of my Mormons apparently marrying on the trek would these marriages be recorded somewhere and who was legally able to preform such marriages? There is an interesting account on line about A W EVINS performing plural marriages in Mexico. There is no mention of how these were registered, although he kept his own list of who he had married both locals and visitors. It seems enough that the people concerned knew they has been through the ceremony conducted by the priest. I have seen plenty of death certificates bit not one marriage certificate.
 With out any official proof of marriage how could a divorce occur? One of the people I have been looking at says his wife came to him and asked for her clothes as she was going to marry someone else another account shows a "wife" going to the prison with her intended new spouse to tell her husband she was leaving him even though they had nine children.He was in jail for having two wives so it seemed harsh he had to serve the term out even though she had left him.
 Was this the same situation out side the LDS at that time? Were marriages generally not recorded and could folk just walk away and form new relationships at will?
 I know UK registration became law in 1837 when did it happen in the States?
 This project is proving to be very interesting .
 Many thanks for all your help with it.
 
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				As for marrying and records and such. In the early years of the church, records of memberships, marriages, and such were at time sketchy. Sometimes non-exsistent. The early time in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS)/aka Mormon was very volatile. Most people did not receive the Mormon Message well. There were many deaths. The members of the church even had to hide the murdered prophet, Joseph Smith's body - their prophet,so the mobs wouldn't take it. Members fled to different areas. I can see why there may not be records of  marriages, births, deaths, etc. 
 Marriage registration was variable in each state. I have ancestors from OH and marriage records started in the 1830's. But in Michigan, as early as 1867. Of course, if you know which church the ancestor attended/religion, you might have better luck. That is assuming there were an catastrophes that damaged church records.
 
 "It seems enough that the people concerned knew they has been through the ceremony conducted by the priest. I have seen plenty of death certificates bit not one marriage certificate. "~~This is an interesting observation.
 I have many LDS friends. I will ask a few and get back to you. They might provide some insight and links to help with your research.
 
 
 Male members of the church, worthy of such, would "earn" or "prepare" to receive the priesthood. (https://www.mormon.org/faq/purpose-of-priesthood)
 There are different levels of the priesthood.  The younger boys were often deacons. They could bless and serve the sacrament. Adult men would work toward becoming an Elder. An Elder can perform rights in the temple (with training). They can marry people outside the temple in a civil ceremony. They can also perform blessings. For those who are sick or troubled.
 
 So, an Elder in the church, including the male ancestors you are researching, I would believe held the priesthood. They can marry persons. Also, in order for them to get married/sealed in the temple, they would have to hold the priesthood/maintain a worthy office of Elder. Does this make sense?
 
 Sorry if this seems jumbled. I worked a night shift and hope it makes sense.
 
 
 
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				Indeed it does all make perfect sense I am very grateful for your explanations. There is so much on line about the families I am totally engrossed with their stories between them they seem to have been committed to just about every migration and skirmish with Indians Mobsters and Mexicans and so many of the children eventually were involved in plural marriages. 
 Today I have found a great web site with detailed description of the very journey taken by one of mine on the Ellen Marie to New Orleans then the steamer Alexander Scott up the Mississippi. I love the description of how the Mormons were dressed in agricultural labourers clothes and saw slaves accompanying their Mistresses all dressed in fine silk clothes  and how children on the banks threw fresh oranges aboard to them from the river banks  fascinating it is all painting a very full picture of their lives in their new home.
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				Lucky you to have so much info to read over! Such bits treasure. It was a very different life at that time. I can't imagine living on the edge...so much hardship and fear....and joy too!