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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Gloucestershire => England => Gloucestershire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: chrislb on Wednesday 16 September 15 06:30 BST (UK)
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Hi folks,
Am attempting to find anything, other than marriage and death records, on Abraham Tipper, born c1785 in Gloucestershire (maybe Stroud area), died in Gloucester (St Nicholas) I think in 1838.
According to the parish register of his marriage his fathers name was George Tipper. He married Hannah Sweetman, daughter of John Sweetman, in 1823, 3 years after the birth of their eldest daughter, Elizabeth.
Cheers for any help!
Chris in Aus
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What was his occupation?
The majority of people didnt do anything in their lives which would leave any surviving record, other than be christened, married and buried! If he was a man of property of high social standing you may find a Will or documents relating to his property. If in trade you may find apprenticeship records. If a criminal you may find court details. Most of this sort of thing is not online, but would be at the relevant local record office. But we are talking a minority, for most people a christening, marriage, christenings of their own children, and burial is what you get!
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Hi Chris,
I had already posted this message once, but unfortunately it clashed with lizdb's post.So here we go again
Source: Gloucestershire Family History Society
Elizabeth TIPPER, d/o Abraham & Hannah, a Labourer of Middle Street, Stroud, bap. at St Lawrence, Stroud, 14th May 1820.
Abraham TIPPER m. Hannah SWEETMAN at St Lawrence, Stroud, 1st September 1823, by Banns.
I found NO trace of a burial for Abraham.
Hope that helps?
Victor
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Abraham Tipper of the parish of St Nicholas aged 53 was buried at St Mary de Crypt, Gloucester 16 April 1838.
There is a report in the Gloucester Journal of 27 December 1837 in the City Police Intelligence section:
WEDNESDAY__John Barton was charged with assaulting Abraham Tipper. The complainant, an elderly man, who obtains a livelihood by vending nuts, &c. stated that the defendant had inveigled his (complainant's) wife away from him, she having also at the time all his money in her possession, the latter, though not to any great amount being probably much the more serious loss. Two of his children had eloped with her, but these had been sent back to him. A day or two ago, during his professional peregrinations with his basket of fruit, he called in at the Duke public house in the Island, where he found some of the gentle sex of that sympathetic neighbourhood upbraiding Mr Barton for his conduct. Barton, on seeing the complainant, pulled him forcibly into the room, and after offering to treat him with some ale, and observing that he had still some of his (Tipper's) money left, he pulled his nose and otherwise abused him. By the advice of a person present, Tipper went away to another house, the Star, to which he was followed by defendant, and again abused. The same day also he happened inopportunely to go into the Squirrel, where he encountered his frail rib and her gallant, and again came off second best in a contest (principally of words) which ensued. A portion of his statement as to what occurred at the Duke was corroborated by an impartial witness, but according to whom the assault, as far as he witnessed it, was of a very trifling nature. The defendant was accordingly convicted and fined 5s. and the expences.
Baptisms of other children of Abraham and Hannah Tipper, giving address and father's occupation.
At St Lawrence, Stroud
Jane 30 October 1825 High Street, Stroud Huckster
William (born 25 August 1821) 4 February 1827 High Street, Stroud Shop keeper
George (born 31 December 1826) 4 February 1827 " " " "
At St Mary de Crypt, Gloucester
Emma 3 October 1831 St Mary de Crypt Labourer
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Hi Lizdb, Victor and Galium,
That sounds like my Abraham.
Victor, according to Elizabeth's marriage records he was a 'Fruiterer' (1st marriage) and a 'Costermonger' (2nd marriage). I believe a costermonger is a fruiterer.
Galium, that is priceless!! Love it. Poor Abraham! I don't suppose the same newspaper has an account of his death?
Cheers!!
Chris in Aus.
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I couldn't see any other reference to Abraham, or his wayward wife, but that doesn't mean there are none. The newspaper collection I searched is The British Newspaper Archive, which has its own pay per view site:
http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
or you can use it with a subscription to findmypast or GenesReunited.
This weekend's offer from findmypast
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/freeweekend
might be of interest.
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Thanks Galium. :)
It seems that the findmypast free offer only extends to people who are not already registered with them. Thanks, though, for the tip. I will just have to 'pay per view'. :) I hadn't considered FindMyPast to search. Only because it's another one that has to be paid for and I already have a full subscription to Ancestry.com. They don't have the newspaper archive that FindMyPast does though :(
Cheers
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Hi Chris,
A Costermonger was a person who sold fruit & vegetables in the street or market.
Victor
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Thanks Victor :)
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Hi Just joined this site because I am a descendant of Elizabeth Mitchell whos father was Abraham Tipper and mother Hannah Sweatman.
Agree with all that has been said as mathes what I have found
Agree and confirm his death
Burial year 1838
Burial date 16 Apr 1838
Burial place St Mary De Crypt, Gloucester, Gloucester, England
Also found that he was convicted of attempted murder of his wife Hannah in 1827. This find is on ancestry. happy to send the page but cant seem to attach it here. Cant find which quater session it went to but states it does, has anyone more info on this please
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Hi Kerry,
I have a couple of records of this in my Ancestry.com tree. The mention the Michaelmas Sessions, 1827, and that he was in jail form 12th - 16th October 1827? Although the record states that he threatened to kill his wife, rather than attempted to.. I will have to check my other computer and see if I have anything else.
Cheers,
Christine.
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Thanks Chrsitine, yes threatened(sorry), I have that too but had difficulty reading the writing thanks couldn't translate the Michaelmas, thought it said quarter sessions. I used library ancestry so can't double check but I don't think there was anything else on ancestry. I don't know if we can find more detail at the National Archives but no luck so far online.
Cant find a Hannah (born in oxford in any census... do you have anything on her death? There are too many options on freeBDM, but she my have died before 1837.
I have ordered Abrahams death certificate so it will be interesting to see if the informanant is Hannah or not
Many thanks for your response- how are you related is it through their daughter Elizabeth (like me) or William James or George
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Hi Kerry,
I am descended from Elizabeth as well. Through her son William J .
I don't have Hannah's death but presume she died pre 1837... might have some info but need to check other computer. She may have remarried after Abraham died.. Also, all records say she was born in Stroud, Gloucestershire, not Oxford.
Ciao 😁
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I found a Hannah Sweatman born oxford 1801, must have the wong Hannah then. I will re visit... thank you
I am also related through her son William who married Ada Pitman.... re the line that went to Australia that is John Frances.
I cant find a remarriage either for Hannah. Might not be able to solve that then.
I had another look at what I have regarding the prison sentence for Abraham and it doesn't mention Michaelmas there, where did you see that please?
Thanks again, Kerry
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If you search for Hannah SwEEtman rather than Sweatman that may help. :) Hannah and Abraham's marriage records have her as being 'of this parish' meaning the parish they married in, Stroud.
The prison records I have for Abe (on Ancestry.com) are from the Gloucestershire, England, Prison Records, 1728 - 1914.
Yes, William and Ada are/were my 2xgreat grandparents.
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Thank you
Kx
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No worries :)