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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: MissHaley on Tuesday 15 September 15 23:07 BST (UK)
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i am at a stand still on any research i have done on my gg grandmother Jessie Mccreath (nee) Proctor who was born in scotland. i cant find a birth year but in an old photo there is a date of june 19th for birth and for death there is a date of october 3 1931. i have found a marriage cert. for her and her husband david mccreath born march 23 1851 death sept 21 1915. her parents on the marriage cert and labled as i believe father james proctor and mother as john howe (which i find hard to think john would be a womens name) i am just looking for an kind of conformation that these are jessie proctors parents and looking for any other information people are willing to help me out with. she was born in scotland but i am unsure where in scotland. thanks to anyone that can help!!!
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How old was she when she died as that will give an approx birthyear?
What year did she marry David and how old was she on the marriage cert?
Where did they marry?
Where was David born?
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David McCreath appears to have been born in Maybole Ayrshire - parents Hugh and Elizabeth
The 1861 Scottish census has a 10yr old Jessie Proctor b England living as a boarder in Glasgow with her mother Jane and 3 other siblings
Births September qtr 1851
Jessie Procter Wirral 19 361
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iam unsure on how old she was when she died
she married david i believe in hamilton ont. canada feb 24 1874
they were both born in scotland
im trying to find where i saved the marriage cert but it did say they were both born in scotland
found it* it says they were both 23 so same birth year
for her parents its hard to make out the first name but the second name for a parent is for sure john howe
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This is the 1861 entry I mentioned above. All Proctor children shown as b England
Daniel Brisbane 23
Jane 26
Janet 2
Jane 1
Jane Proctor 46 b Hamilton Lanarkshire
Jane Proctor 24
Elizabeth Proctor 15
Jessie Proctor 10
Robert Proctor 6
Glasgow St Paul ED 61 Page 7 Line 23
1851 census for Birkenhead Cheshire England
John Proctor 32 b Scotland - master pasterer (think this should be patisserier) employing 7 men
Jane 35 b Scotland
Jane 15 b Blackpool Lancs
Elizabeth 5 b Birkenhead
Isabella 3 ditto
HO107 Piece 2175 Folio 235 Page 37
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thank you ill look into this some more!
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Daughter Isabella died in Birkenhead in 1857 aged 9yrs
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thanks carol. would you be willing to help me with one more thing? my great grandmother Margaret Mccreath(nee) Walker born 1884 died 1980 married to Thomas Mccreath born 1877 died 1971. I have been unable to find anything on Margaret all i have come across is a grave with the above information on it. they are burried in blackfalds alberta canada, they were married in 1921 in canada i believe but that is it for any info i have on her. i cant find a birth cert or a death cert or a marriage cert. something with her parents names on it. thanks so much
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Was Thomas born in Canada (son of David & Jessie perhaps?). If so - he was born 1882 according to this 1901 entry
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KH26-ZXL
A marriage in 1921 would put them as 39 and 37 respectively which seems a bit old for a first marriage back then
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iam not 100% sure if thomas was born in canada and yes he would be the son of david and jessie, i will have to look into the birth date of thomas because on his grave it does state 1877 as well on a picture i have of thomas and his family. and i do believe the did get married late in life. but i can not seem to find any info on margaret walker thomas's wife
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i looked at that link you sent me and i have come across that before the thing is in a family picture i have thomas has sibbling but there names do not all match up i know for a fact his sibblings are david, thomas, william, james, huge, harry, mathew, mae, jean and jake
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Hi
The link is to the 1901 census so will only show children still living at home at that time. If David & Jessie married in 1874 there could be other children who were either married or living elsewhere by 1901
Have you checked the 1881 and 1891 Canadian censuses?
Note that Jessie is shown as Jessie P McCreath - could the P be for Proctor?
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1891 Canadian Census. Ontario. District 53. Pages 66 & 67.
David McCreath 40 b Scotland. Parents b Scotland. Occ: Market Gardener.
Jessie " 41 b " " " "
Hugh " 16 b Ont.
William " 15 b "
Mathew " 14 b "
James " 13 b "
David " 12 b "
Elizabeth " 11 b "
Thomas " 10 b "
John " 8 b "
Mary " 4 b "
Walter " 2 b "
(Jake, Jack & Jeek are all forms of John. Mae is a short form of Mary)
Regards Dod.
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Thanks so much for the help! but im still having the biggest problem locating margaret walkers parents does anyone have any suggestions or know of any scotish sites i could go to? thanks
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1881 Canadian Census. Ontario, S.Bruce. Page 9.
David McCreath 30 b Scotland. Occ: Gardener.
Jessie " 32 b "
Hugh " 5 b "
William " 4 b "
Mathew " 3 b "
James " 1 b "
Regards, Dod.
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1901 Canadian Census gives birth dates.
David McCreath - 23rd March 1850 (1 year out)
Jessie - 19th June 1849.
Mathew - 16th Feb 1878.
David - 22 July 1881.
Thomas - 15th April 1883? (Not very clear)
Elizabeth - 27th August 1884.
John - 17th July 1886.
Marnie - 16th April 1888.
Walter - 1st July 1889.
Harry - 11th May 1891.
In Scotland, Jessie is a pet form of Janet and ScotlandsPeople has a birth for a Janet Proctor b 19th June 1849 at Kirriemuir, Angus, Scotland. Parents are James Proctor & Jean How.
FamilySearch gives birth 19th June 1849 and christening 27th February 1850 at Kirriemuir.
Regards, Dod.
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Until you can get some more information in Canada your task is impossible. Margaret Walker bc.1884 Scotland - there were 103 of them born between 1883 and 1885!!!
You need to find and purchase a copy of her marriage certificate in 1921 Canada to see who are given for her parents before you stand a chance of trying to locate her birth.
Annette
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(which i find hard to think john would be a womens name)
Although not common, girls were given male names in Scotland. I've come across girls called Gordon, William and John! Some may have changed them to female versions in later life, such as Jean or Jane for John.
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John could also possibly be Johan/Johann?
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I think I may have possibly found 'your' Margaret Walker and have found out quite a bit about her BUT there is really no point in me printing it all out without some further info. from Canada that this is the person.
You need to trace the marriage of Thomas McCreath and Margaret Walker to establish her parents names OR you could obtain a copy of her death certificate (d. Blackfalds, Alberta in 1980), again to see who are stated as her parents.
The facts so far:
1. Thomas McCreath was still a bachelor on the 1921 Census (in Ontario) which was taken on 1st June 1921.
2. There is no likely Margaret Walker bc.1884 Scotland in 1921 Census.
This suggests that Margaret Walker arrived after 1st June 1921. You say they married 1921 but is this just a 'guesstimate'?
The only Margaret Walker of the right age leaving the UK before 1921 was on 10/5/1907 together with a mother Mrs. Cath. Walker - however, when I viewed passenger records of their arrival in Canada there was a line through Margaret Walker's entry with a note to say 'died 14/5/1907' so clearly this is not your Margaret.
The one I found who I think may possibly be yours is a Margaret Robertson Walker b.19/1/1885 Motherwell, Lanarkshire. She arrived on 12/8/1922 - she also had 3 brothers who arrived the same year (some pretty close together) but all on different dates (Andrew R. arrived 19/3/1922 and duly married a young widow on 30/6/1922, Robert R. arrived 10/8/1922, William arrived 12/6/1922 - they were headed for Galt, Ontario where they had an uncle Hugh McFadyen.
Their parents were a James Walker and Margaret Robertson.
There is no point in elaborating more at this point in case this is not the right Margaret but you really need to locate either her marriage or death record to establish just who her parents were and to identify just which of the many Margaret Walkers born circa 1884 Scotland is yours (especially if the one I've found is not the right one).
Certainly, in June 1921 Thomas still single, no trace of your Margaret anywhere, suggesting she arrived in Canada after this date. The first Margaret Walker to appear in passenger records after that date is the one I found arriving August 1922 who was at least going to Ontario where Thomas was (albeit a different part). Possibly a marriage not long after Aug.1922 (like the Andrew who married 3 months after he arrived).
If you cannot trace when/where the marriage of Thomas and Margaret took place then I would suggest you get her death certificate - died (or buried) 2/2/1980 Blackfalds, Alberta.
Annette
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Other post for background http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=730883.0
Monica
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Hello Annette7,
'MissHaley' has started a new thread re:
Margaret mccreath (nee)Walker born in perth, perthshire looking for her parents
See:
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=730883.msg5756900#msg5756900
Regards, Dod.
Sorry Monica, posts crossed.
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thank you so much annette, yes i made another post just to focus on margaret but i will inform anyone else looking into this that i have found a good solid foundation to start with and will do some looking before reposting any more questions or asking for any other help thanks you everyone sooo much i appreciate everything!
Annette if you dont mind me getting back to you, i will look for as much info as i can to validate your find and if it ends up being the same margarett I would love to see what you have found!