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Title: "My Origins" - ancestors likely all from the British Isles - what is "typical"?
Post by: hurworth on Tuesday 15 September 15 20:02 BST (UK)
It's come back as 60% British Isles, 28% Scandinavia, 7% Asia Minor, 3% Eastern Europe and 3% Southern Europe.

Just interested to know whether that is a fairly typical "average" mix if your ancestors all lived in the British Isles in the early 1800 (which we think is the case)
Title: Re: "My Origins" - ancestors likely all from the British Isles - what is "typical"?
Post by: DevonCruwys on Tuesday 15 September 15 21:03 BST (UK)
That sounds fairly typical apart from the 7% from Asia Minor. Did you have ancestors who were in British India?
Title: Re: "My Origins" - ancestors likely all from the British Isles - what is "typical"?
Post by: hurworth on Tuesday 15 September 15 21:14 BST (UK)
That sounds fairly typical apart from the 7% from Asia Minor. Did you have ancestors who were in British India?

On the map that came with it by "Asia Minor" it had shaded an area which is approximately modern day Turkey.

We don't know of any ancestors on this line that were anywhere outside the British Isles.  They were mostly weavers, miners and shopkeepers in Yorkshire, farm labourers in Fife, or labourers from Dorset and if the info on two marriage records is correct there's a baker from Middlesex.
 
Title: Re: "My Origins" - ancestors likely all from the British Isles - what is "typical"?
Post by: DevonCruwys on Tuesday 15 September 15 21:21 BST (UK)
I've just realised what you meant. Asia Minor comes up as a subset of what FTDNA call the Middle East. If that's the case then there is no Indian connection. It's quite common for British people who've tested at FTDNA to get these small percentages of so called Middle Eastern DNA. It's related to the reference populations and labels that they use. I believe they are using Armenians to represent the Middle East and they're perhaps more European than Asian.

For an alternative reading you can upload your results to GedMatch and have a play with their admixture tools. See the blog posts linked here:

http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_DNA_tools

Don't take the admixture results too seriously. They won't correspond with your genealogical tree.
Title: Re: "My Origins" - ancestors likely all from the British Isles - what is "typical"?
Post by: hdw on Tuesday 22 September 15 16:01 BST (UK)
See the thread Ethnicity Surprises for some fellow posters puzzled by their autosomal DNA results -

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=725451.0

As I say in my post, my results are 63% British Isles, 32% Western & Central Europe and 5% Finland & northern Siberia. A friend who is well up on such things tells me that my British Isles component is "Celtic", for want of a better word, the Western (etc.) component will be my inheritance from the Anglo-Saxons, and the odd Finland/Siberia component may refer to my paternal grandmother's Cunningham side as two direct male descendants of that extended family in my home village in Scotland tested R1a, which usually denotes Scandinavian Viking ancestry, but these two men have more DNA matches with Poles and other East Europeans than with Scandinavians. It's thought that the original R1a people came into Scandinavia and eastern Europe from the far north.

Harry
Title: Re: "My Origins" - ancestors likely all from the British Isles - what is "typical"?
Post by: jnu on Friday 04 March 16 12:17 GMT (UK)
Hi,
I've just read through this post. My FTDNA percentage result for middle east came up as North Africa (regions Morocco and Tunisia). 
Title: Re: "My Origins" - ancestors likely all from the British Isles - what is "typical"?
Post by: hdw on Monday 16 May 16 14:39 BST (UK)
See the thread Ethnicity Surprises for some fellow posters puzzled by their autosomal DNA results -

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=725451.0

As I say in my post, my results are 63% British Isles, 32% Western & Central Europe and 5% Finland & northern Siberia. A friend who is well up on such things tells me that my British Isles component is "Celtic", for want of a better word, the Western (etc.) component will be my inheritance from the Anglo-Saxons, and the odd Finland/Siberia component may refer to my paternal grandmother's Cunningham side as two direct male descendants of that extended family in my home village in Scotland tested R1a, which usually denotes Scandinavian Viking ancestry, but these two men have more DNA matches with Poles and other East Europeans than with Scandinavians. It's thought that the original R1a people came into Scandinavia and eastern Europe from the far north.

Harry

I've changed my mind about this. I think my 5% "Finland and Northern Siberia" DNA is down to my mtDNA J1c2 ancestry. So it's an inheritance from my mother's mother's (matrilineal) line. Although the female ancestor of all the J people is thought to have lived in what's now the Middle East or the Caucasus, her descendants spread all over Europe, and looking at the results of the mtDNA J project I see a lot of people with ancestry in Finland and Russia as well as the rest of northern Scandinavia.

Stephen Oppenheimer has a map in his book "The Origins of the British" in which he shows J1b (as they were then classified) people moving from Norway to Scotland in the Neolithic. That no doubt explains why I have matches with Norwegians and Norwegian-Americans as well as with people whose earliest known female ancestor was an Ulster Presbyterian of Scottish descent in Co. Antrim or Down (mine is in Belfast).

Harry
Title: Re: "My Origins" - ancestors likely all from the British Isles - what is "typical"?
Post by: chinka on Monday 27 June 16 04:13 BST (UK)
Hi I was wondering if anyone could help explain dna ethnicity results for me.If results are 90% Great Britain and most British people have breakdown %  of French , German & other countries.What does this mean does it mean celtic .Thanks Chinka
Title: Re: "My Origins" - ancestors likely all from the British Isles - what is "typical"?
Post by: hurworth on Thursday 30 June 16 03:27 BST (UK)
Hi I was wondering if anyone could help explain dna ethnicity results for me.If results are 90% Great Britain and most British people have breakdown %  of French , German & other countries.What does this mean does it mean celtic .Thanks Chinka

Which company did you test with?
Title: Re: "My Origins" - ancestors likely all from the British Isles - what is "typical"?
Post by: chinka on Thursday 30 June 16 03:50 BST (UK)
   
Hi

   I tested with Ancestry.I am Australian
all of my ancestors did come from the British Isles.Some from predominately celtic regions.But my great grandfather was the last to migrate & this was 150 yrs ago from Ireland.Iam showing % of Irish.Thanks Chinka
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Title: Re: "My Origins" - ancestors likely all from the British Isles - what is "typical"?
Post by: sallyyorks on Thursday 30 June 16 07:15 BST (UK)
From Ancestry's FAQs page

4. What does it mean when my ethnicity results identify 'Trace Regions'?
Most people may have a percentage identified with 'Trace Regions' in their genetic ethnicity results. Trace Regions are regions where the estimated range includes zero and does not go above 15%, or where the predicted percentage is less than 4.5%. Since there is only a small amount of evidence that you have genetic ethnicity from these regions, it is possible that you may not have genetic ethnicity from them at all. This is not uncommon, and as more genetic signatures are discovered with a higher confidence level, we may be able to update these Trace Regions over time.
http://dna.ancestry.co.uk/legal/faq#about-2
Title: Re: "My Origins" - ancestors likely all from the British Isles - what is "typical"?
Post by: hurworth on Thursday 30 June 16 07:49 BST (UK)
Thanks Sallyorks.

"My Origins" is from FamilyTreeDNA and the definitions used are different from Ancestry.

Just received a test back for a sibling and it's very similar (surprisingly perhaps?) other than a bit less Asia Minor and a bit more Southern Europe.

I've marked the topic as Completed because devoncruwys' reply answered the original question.

Chinka - I'm not familiar with the definitions/categories at Ancestry unfortunately.