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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: undautri on Tuesday 15 September 15 18:01 BST (UK)
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im well and truly stuck >:(
my gg grandmother was born louisa Kirchner / kirchener / kitchener / kischener in limerick, ireland
ive got her wedding certificate which shows her fathers name as benjamin
ive found her in all the censuses and the death record but cant find her birth anywhere and cant find her fathers either
ive tried different sites and the Irish parish records and the applotments and the Griffiths list to no avail
if i send off for a copy of her death certificate how much detail will be on it in 1901 - will there be birth and parents details or does it depend on the coroner or who reported the death
thanks for any help
kath
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Hi
What year was she born
Margp
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Posting a link to this related thread to which Kath has previously contributed:
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=252292.0
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thank you
about 1829-1833
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Hi
Could this be related in any way
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/search.jsp?namefm=louisa&namel=kirchener&location=&yyfrom=&yyto=&submit=Search
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thank you marg i think its too old for her but its incredible that you managed to find any louisa kircheners in ireland i keep getting no results
her age differs slightly on all my records the most common dob being 1833
thank you for your trouble
x kath
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thank you marg i think its too old for her but its incredible that you managed to find any louisa kircheners in ireland i keep getting no results
her age differs slightly on all my records the most common dob being 1833
thank you for your trouble
x kath
It may be a descendant, it was the only Kirchener on the site
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It may be worth asking the moderator, to move this to the Irish forum
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oops didnt know there was an irish forum ::)
thank you marg
kath
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She isn't on this list, which could mean the records don't go up to her dob or she lived outside the city but at least it shows people of that name in the area who are likely related.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01g4j/
These are all COI, I assume Louisa was also.
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Louisa may have died before 1901 census.
Have you tried to find grave where her family are buried.
What was her husband's name ?
Louisa may have been born in another part of Ireland or another country.
Civil registration began in 1864 for Ireland.
The unusual surname may have been misspelled in Parish Records.
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I notice in one of the other threads that Benjamin was a cabinetmaker, Samuel was also a cabinetmaker, there is a report of his death in a pub in Limerick.
I'll see if I can find it again.
Found it
http://www.limerickcity.ie/media/06%2010%2026%20kirchner.pdf
Bottom of the page, starting Yesterday an inquest
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I notice in one of the other threads that Benjamin was a cabinetmaker, Samuel was also a cabinetmaker, there is a report of his death in a pub in Limerick.
I'll see if I can find it again.
Found it
http://www.limerickcity.ie/media/06%2010%2026%20kirchner.pdf
Bottom of the page, starting Yesterday an inquest
thats fascinating thank you - do you have a date for this paper please?
xkath
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There is an Alumni Dublineses
Kirchner, Benjamin Simon, Siz, (Mr Oliver Miller), June 5th 1798, aged 17 s of Simon, Coriarius; b Dublin. Sch. 1800. B.A. AEst. 1802.
I'm presuming this relates to him going into apprenticeship.
Tara
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I notice in one of the other threads that Benjamin was a cabinetmaker, Samuel was also a cabinetmaker, there is a report of his death in a pub in Limerick.
I'll see if I can find it again.
Found it
http://www.limerickcity.ie/media/06%2010%2026%20kirchner.pdf
Bottom of the page, starting Yesterday an inquest
thats fascinating thank you - do you have a date for this paper please?
xkath
I think it's 1826
I found it here
http://www.limerickcity.ie/Library/LocalStudies/ObituariesdeathnoticesetcfromtheLimerickChronicle/1826/
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1816 there is a Louisa Kirchner and William Peake
Most of the Kirchner's that I can see appear to have been Furriers in Dublin, who appear to have been researched by someone else on your other thread.
I suppose you could infer some connection in that the Christian name Simon appears heavily in both the Furrier Kirchners AND the Cabinet Maker Kirchners.
There were KIRCHOFFER Cabinet Makers and Joiners in 1783 in Dublin.
An Elizabeth Kirchner, Ladies Boarding in Dublin.
a Margaret Kirchener married a Patrick Gahagan 1830 St. Michael's Limerick.
Tara
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I note that there was a lot on conversation re the origins ~
Newspapers state that Gottlieb Simon Kirchner, the Dublin Furrier, was from PRUSSIA !
Tara
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But baptised in Limerick
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR9D-V6B
Do the dates line up
Must be the same family perhaps Louisa will be found in Dublin
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Hi Sinann
There was an earlier Gottlieb Simon Kirchner.
The newspaper articles that I saw were for the 1790's.
Tara
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The death of a Simon Kirchner of Thomas Street, Limerick in 1824, Cabinet Maker.
Tara
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Given that the other Louisa Kirchner married in St. Michael's, Limerick I wonder might there have been a change of religion.
I suggest you start to trawl though their records to see if you can find any other Kirchners there !
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635025#page/1/mode/1up
Tara
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thank you all very much for your inputs
the information ive gathered so far -
1848 marriage in swansea to samuel parker - fathers name benjamin kirchner, cabinet maker
1851 census swansea age 20 born limerick
1859 birthcert of daughter louisa parker formerly kirchina
1861 census swansea age 31
1871 census swansea born 1833 limerick
1881 marriage to thomas hill father benjamin kischener
1881 cwnsus staffordshire age 50
1891 census staffordshire
1901 census staff age 69
1901 death louisa hill
there is also a strong possibility that she is down as louisa kiknon in 1841 but the date of birth doesnt tally
x thanks again kath
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Hi
The ages on the 1841 census, are rounded up or down by 5 years
Margp
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I have a Marie McKercher marrying in Dublin in 1825 in my tree. I thought the name suggested Scottish background.
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It was mentioned earlier that there is a record of Margaret Kirchener marrying Patrick Gahagan of in 1830 at St. Michael’s Limerick. She is described as a widow and I believe had been Simon’s wife. In the 1841 census Patrick is to be found working as a tailor in Swansea with his wife Margaret and some children. Also in the household is someone transcribed as Louisa Kirknon of an age which fits with the Louisa Kirchner who marries Samuel Parker in 1848 in Swansea. I have checked the name Kirknon and it appears nowhere else! I believe Louisa was the son of Simon Kirchener the cabinet maker and that because he had died her elder brother Benjamin - who had moved to England and who was also a cabinetmaker - stood in for him.