Well I enjoyed it!
So much better than last week's American episode.
Some decent genealogical research; and I didn't think the family knew all that much?
....I would have liked them to look into Dan's parents I think they were probably Irish. Dan was baptised in an RC church in Leeds in 1823. His parents were called Patrick and Mary....
....I would have liked them to look into Dan's parents I think they were probably Irish. Dan was baptised in an RC church in Leeds in 1823. His parents were called Patrick and Mary....
There was plenty of English Catholics though, especially in areas like Yorkshire, Lancashire and Staffordshire .
I have 3 completely seperate branches of English Catholics in my tree at this time period. My grt grandmother was born in Leeds and her family were Catholic ag labs from around the Knaresborough / York area originally . On another branch my grandmother was Catholic, from her fathers family , who were all from Lancashire.
I think Lowry is a name quite common to Lancashire /Yorkshire
Yes!! Was just signing on to say the same thing! ???
Did I miss something....
Yes!! Was just signing on to say the same thing! ??? Did I miss something....
Glad to say then I'm not going mad! It wasn't mentioned at all in the programme but it surely deserved some comment!
Yes!! Was just signing on to say the same thing! ??? Did I miss something....
Glad to say then I'm not going mad! It wasn't mentioned at all in the programme but it surely deserved some comment!
Not necessarily perhaps...... after all Gareth was wanting to find out about further back and that is what he did.
It was full of singing!
The actual informative parts about the two men were interesting but again there was so much filler, not of Gareth driving down long highways a la Jerry Hall, but of numerous singsongs - with his grandfather, down the pub with a researcher, then that last bit at the end.
I've got theatre folk in my paternal side of the family, so it was interesting from that aspect. At some point I want to look further into that side of my family and hopefully find some old programmes with my ancestors names on them. Apparently one of my gt gt grandmother's was taken on stage as a baby during a production of East Lynn. It's whetted my appetite. It was wonderful hearing Edmund Payne singing, I'd be so thrilled to find out there was a recording of an ancestor somewhere.
One thing I didn't like was when he saw Dan on the census and found out he was a dyer from Leeds. He seemed far too disappointed that he might have working class antecedents.....To much left out of the bigger picture that could have been included if they chopped some of the singsongs!
Mmmm .................. From the Edmund Payne memorial website.
http://www.edmundpayne.co.uk/index.asp?pageid=367748
What the prog. didn't address (and I don't think I'm going mad here!) is that Gareth's grandfather was Edmund WHITE (the son of a male PAYNE) [Gareth's mother was born Sian WHITE].
So what happened?
I watched and enjoyed, didn't mind the singing, loved the way Pappa was involved and how he was overjoyed to see his Grandfather.I hated the constant singing & padding when I still had questions I wanted answering, but completely agree that Pappa's joy was a delight to see, so for me it was worth watching just for that :)
I smiled the whole way through and enjoyed the thrill of the little nuggets of gold he found.
Dan's father Patrick was probably a Roscrea weaver and the decline in the local industry likely made him decide to move to Leeds:-
"The population of Roscrea appears to have reached its height in the 1830s. In 1885 a wool merchant from the neighbouring town of Birr reported to the House of Commons Select Committee on Industries (Ireland) that in the early decades of the 19th century 1,000 men were employed in Roscrea as weavers and wool combers, but that by the early 1880s this number had dropped to just 2."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roscrea
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If Dan's parents were English where is their marriage? There is no proof of any English roots. He considered himself Irish and his bio said he was born in a specific Irish place with a history of weaving, the occupation of his father. He was born in Leeds but it looks like his parents came over from Ireland.
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If Dan's parents were English where is their marriage? There is no proof of any English roots. He considered himself Irish and his bio said he was born in a specific Irish place with a history of weaving, the occupation of his father. He was born in Leeds but it looks like his parents came over from Ireland.
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The records may not be online yet, the records might have been damaged or lost, they mjght have married in some obscure little non conformist chapel lost in time, they might not have married at all. There are a number of reasons . I looked for a marriage for my grt x 4 grandparents for six years and I only found it a few weeks ago. The parish register is so tiny that I found it by accident when I looked at the next page after finding another record.
The programme made a point of explaining why a man from Leeds sang Irish songs in Liverpool .
The "bio" you posted has no references/citations
The West Riding famously had a woollen industry for many centuries but with mechanisation it became very different to the old cottage type industry and by the 1820s it was the epicentre of a huge woollen industry that had made hand loom weaving irrelevant. Armley mills (Leeds) for example became the largest woollen mill in the world. Just one of these water/steam powered mills might employ thousands of men, women and children. These new machines or "rattling devils" (as Oastler called them) required very little skill to operate. The mill workers were industrial labourers, and not old fashioned type hand loom weavers.
I'm afraid the weight of evidence at the moment is that he had Irish roots. A quick look at the Irish Tithe records show Lowreys in Roscrea, they are on Griffith's and on other later records.
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Irish migration is often associated with a later period but if you look at those early Leeds RC records there's a lot of Irish names in there. Dan like Shane MacGowan of The Pogues was singing songs of his ancestral home, Ireland.
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- 1841 Census shows Dan's family at Zion Street
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I found this episode completely boring and thought Gareth was a bit snobbish. As for the sing song in the pub - no wonder it was almost empty !
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, the US one is now much better than 'ours', even when I have no idea who the subject is!! ???
YES I held my mouth open, when I saw the actual marriage cert on the page... ARRRGGHH I thought that doesn't happen..
QuoteYES I held my mouth open, when I saw the actual marriage cert on the page... ARRRGGHH I thought that doesn't happen..
The marriage we saw was from the Ancestry West Yorkshire parish register collection (it was at St Peter, Leeds), so there is an image of the register page to view.
The same applies to many marriages in London, Surrey, Warwickshire, Lancashire, Gloucestershire, Birmingham, Liverpool and Manchester - so long as they were CofE church weddings.
[quote author=jillruss link=topic=730480.msg5754857#msg5754857 date=1442164787
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the US one is now much better than 'ours', even when I have no idea who the subject is!! ???
So can you identify what the formula differences are currently between the 2 versions?
To me, the biggest difference is that the subject of the programme does the 'narration', not Cherie Lunghi or Mark Strong or another disembodied voice. That way, it comes across as more immediate and personal. In most cases too, I think that there is much more of the subject doing the research and discussing the documentation with an expert. They also tend to go as far back as they can rather than stopping at what grandad did in the war.
To me, the biggest difference is that the subject of the programme does the 'narration', not Cherie Lunghi or Mark Strong or another disembodied voice. That way, it comes across as more immediate and personal. In most cases too, I think that there is much more of the subject doing the research and discussing the documentation with an expert. They also tend to go as far back as they can rather than stopping at what grandad did in the war.
Sorry but while the celebrity does do some of the narration, they do not do all of it. There is frequently a male voice doing some of the narration, especially but not exclusively for the recaps. :-\
And for them doing the research themselves, not really got much of an impression of that myself and I've seen quite a few of the US series. They seem to be handed a lot of it by the "experts" as with the other versions, although you do occasionally see them surfing the web a little. As I've also seen quite a number of the Australian series, I'm afraid I'd agree with Ruskie's view of the US series. In my personal view, its the worst of the three, albeit that the last couple of series have improved a bit but then they have started concentrating on not trying to go back as far as possible. Which I know is what some RCers complain about the more recent UK series, but more detail makes it more interesting.
As for the UK series, I'd put Paul Hollywood's so far as the worst followed by Jerry Hall's. While I quite like Jerry's I do agree with the others that said it would have been better suited to the US series, but then it wouldn't have covered so much because of all the Ad breaks. :-X A few series back the format in the UK series to me was getting rather dull and it would seem the programme makers thought the same, hence the tweaking of the format that has gone on and concentrating on less generation jumping. That said, it's not perfect but has become more interesting again.
But, as always gets said, we're all entitled to our own viewpoints on these things and I know some RCers will disagree with me. ;D
Sorry BUT I remember Mary Berry from TV many years ago.... so she is far from 'Todays News' !
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Sorry BUT I remember Mary Berry from TV many years ago.... so she is far from 'Todays News' ! xin
So do I! ;) ;D
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the US one is now much better than 'ours', even when I have no idea who the subject is!! ???
. I also have the distinct impression that they were going further back now yet you think the exact opposite! How strange! I haven't seen the Australian version so can't comment.Its a mixed bag. The first few series pushed back to find the overseas connection but overall it follows the story.
Would be interesting to see a list of the almost made its... :)
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first building their family tree, then trying to get all the documents available relating to their ancestors.
This is a painstaking task, which often leads to dead ends and brick walls.
Sometimes, we're extremely lucky - a vital clue will simply fall into our hands. [/i][/b]
It certainly would be interesting to see a list ... and the reasons why they were scrapped. That would almost be a programme (or two) in itself I would think