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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: emorrisn on Tuesday 01 September 15 06:32 BST (UK)
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Looking for those who may have Glaister's in their family tree from Birkenhead.
I have a George Glaister who had a son George Glaister in 1883. George Glaister married Sarah Alison GRAHAM in 1912. Her parents were John Edwin GRAHAM and Emma GURD also from Birkenhead.
No further information at this stage (the Glaister's are proving difficult to find).
Thanks!
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Do you have census information for the family?
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Looking at FreeBMD, the only close in time George Glaister births are:
September qtr 1882
Whitehaven district vol 10b, page 612
Glaister, George
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December qtr 19941884
Cockermouth district vol 10b, page 542
Glaister, George
So, are you sure he wasn't originally from Cumberland?
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I was wondering the same KGarrad. Looking at the 1891 census there are not many Glaisters and the majority are in that neck of the woods. I can't see one b 1883 with a father George though.
I think we need to consider variations in spellings of this surname too.
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Did George and Sarah's marriage certificate give his father's name as George?
Do you have the birth certificate of George b 1883? If so what is his mother's name.
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December qtr 1994
Cockermouth district vol 10b, page 542
Glaister, George
1884? ;)
(It's usually the other way around for me - I write 1890 instead of 1990 ;D)
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Thank you :)
I think the 1882 birth record in Whitehaven district is a possible match but am holding off purchasing it as I have ordered the marriage certificate of George Glaister which may tell me where he was born/his parents.
I have a 1891 Census record which may be a possible match too.
Sorry I could have posted this in the Cunberland topic but I wasn't 100% sure yet. :-[
Cheers! :)
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What led you to believe that his father was George?
Looking at the 1891 census I'd guess his father might be John, assuming you have his year of birth correct. Where did you get his year of birth of 1883 from?
You can request that this be moved to Cumberland at a later date. What led you to believe that he was from Birkenhead?
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Did George and Sarah's marriage certificate give his father's name as George?
Do you have the birth certificate of George b 1883? If so what is his mother's name.
No birth certificate as yet. The 1883 date is taken from family knowledge at the moment. I have ordered the marriage certificate of George Glaister and Sarah Graham so when I have that I will order the birth certificate.
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The marriage certificate will give his father's name and occupation but will not say where he was born. This is the correct way to progress with your search. :)
You may be able to skip buying George's birth certificate (though many people would advise against this) - depending on who he names as his father on the marriage certificate, and what his age is. There are two Glaister families in the 1891 census with children called George - both have parents John and Mary which may cause problems. Some more research into the families might clarify which is which. Of course the plus side to purchasing George's birth certificate is that you will find out his mother's surname which will avoid any incorrect assumptions.
Please pop back when the marriage certificate arrives if you require any help.
If you go to the bottom of the rootschat page in the dark panel under "Your Tools" you will see "surname interests". There is someone else searching for Glaister in Cumberland if you wish to try to contact them (though they may no longer be active on rootschat).
Added. I just checked the two Johns on the 1891 census - one is a brewer and the other is a Journeyman tailor, so it will be interesting to see if any of that tallies with what the marriage certificate tells you.
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Thanks Ruskie! :)
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This may fit in with the Journeyman Tailor as on the census he has a middle initial:
Marriages Sep 1880
Glaister John Joseph Whitehaven 10b 740
Robinson Mary Whitehaven 10b 740
There are a couple of possibilities for the Brewer:
Both in 1860 in Wigton. One marries a Mary Wallas, and the other marries Mary Ann Holliday.
It's a bit too early to speculate and I'm getting ahead of myself but the info is there in case it is needed at a later date.
Good luck.
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Hi
According to Familysearch.org George Glaister age 24 father George Glaister married Sarah Graham 29th Dec 1912 at Birkenhead, St Mary
Looking at the 1911 census results on Familysearch.org (free) there is a George Glaister age 22 in Birkenhead born Whitehaven His likely birth is Dec Qtr 1888 Whitehaven Reg Dist Vol 10b page 595
Andy
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Hi
If I have the right family then
George Glaister and Isabella Allison marrey Whitehaven Dec Qtr 1883
Son George birth reg Whitehaven Dec Qtr 1888
daughter born Newcastle Dec Qtr 1890
1891 Census has family in Byker, Northumberland Mother in law Sarah Allison seems to confirm this
1895 possible death Isabel Glaister age 28 June Qtr 1895 Toxteth Park, Liverpool
George remarries Liverpool Dec Qtr 1895 to Laura Bone
1901 census family in Birkenhead Laura on census as Norah.
Comparing the George Glaister/Sarah Graham marriage certificate with the 1911 census should hopefully confirm the family. Occupations, address etc
Andy
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So, are you sure he wasn't originally from Cumberland?
I have 2 Glaisters I have pencilled in from Cumberland and marrying Saltcoats. Need to confirm if they are mine but Glaisters in Cumberland from 1700
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Good digging Andy. :)
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Hi
The daughter born Newcastle Dec Qtr 1890 was Isabella, the 1891 census has her as 5 but I reckon the original household form (which we can't access) probably said 5 months. That would fit with the birth registration and the later censuses.
Andy
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Thanks Andycand and Ruskie! The information is here and I will be sure to come back and update :)
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Hi
If I have the right family then
George Glaister and Isabella Allison marrey Whitehaven Dec Qtr 1883
Son George birth reg Whitehaven Dec Qtr 1888
daughter born Newcastle Dec Qtr 1890
1891 Census has family in Byker, Northumberland Mother in law Sarah Allison seems to confirm this
1895 possible death Isabel Glaister age 28 June Qtr 1895 Toxteth Park, Liverpool
George remarries Liverpool Dec Qtr 1895 to Laura Bone
1901 census family in Birkenhead Laura on census as Norah.
Comparing the George Glaister/Sarah Graham marriage certificate with the 1911 census should hopefully confirm the family. Occupations, address etc
Andy
You do have the correct family, thanks Andy! I received my marriage certificate which has George born c.1888. I've had another look at my family notes and there is a question mark next to Whitehaven, Cumberland so I think he's originated there. His father George appears on the certificate and both Georges are ship platers for occupations.
The 1911 Census has George and his father both as ship platers and the age etc matches. Isabella the sister is there too. It seems George and his second wife had many children, one of the sons has Bone as his middle name.
I need to order George's birth certificate to be 100% sure but I am certain I have found the correct family.
Thanks again - the forum has been invaluable :)