RootsChat.Com
Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: Euphonium23 on Sunday 30 August 15 17:40 BST (UK)
-
Hilda Lizzie WHIDDETT was the youngest of 13 children of John and Emma (nee Dadd), who died giving birth to her in 1903. Her 14 year old sister, my gran, told my mother that she was given to an aunt to bring up and that she never saw her again. I discovered that she was Christened in High Halden church and recently discovered her to be on the 1911 Census as daughter of Edward William and Elizabeth (nee Hughes) Dadd of The George Inn, Wye, Kent. Her name was transcribed as Hilda Elisabeth Whiddett Dodd, an error.
Please, can anyone throw any light on what happened to her? I've searched BMD records with no success. My gran died in 1976 always having wished to have known what happened to her little sister.
-
Welcome to rootschat :)
Do you have a precise date of birth for Hilda?
The reason I ask is that there is a marriage of a Hilda E Dadd to a George Harvey in 1946.
There is the death of a Hilda Lizzie Harvey in 1985, and her birth date is given as 14th April 1903.
I see that 'your' Hilda was born in the 2nd quarter of 1903, so this would fit.
-
Looks like she is here on the 1901 census
Stephen W Dadd Head M 37 Hornsey, London
Louisa L Dadd Wife F 34 Woolwich, Kent
Stephen W Dadd Son M 12 Forest Hill, Kent
Frank L Dadd Son M 9 Forest Hill, Kent
Hilda L M Dadd Daughter F 8 Forest Hill, Kent
Grace E Dadd Daughter F 6 Forest Hill, Kent
Reginald J Dadd Son M 4 Forest Hill, Kent
Constance B Dadd Daughter F 3 Forest Hill, Kent
Sarah A Kane Mother-In-Law F 60 Norwich, Norfolk
Florence M Kane Sister-In-Law F 19 Plumstead, Kent
Emily L Dadd Sister F 22 Holloway, London
-
Probably irrelevant (unless Hilda was the informant on the death cert) but her adopted Dad's death is -
March 1943
Ashford
ref 2a 1937
Edward W Dadd
age 82
-
Looks like she is here on the 1901 census
Stephen W Dadd Head M 37 Hornsey, London
Louisa L Dadd Wife F 34 Woolwich, Kent
Stephen W Dadd Son M 12 Forest Hill, Kent
Frank L Dadd Son M 9 Forest Hill, Kent
Hilda L M Dadd Daughter F 8 Forest Hill, Kent
Grace E Dadd Daughter F 6 Forest Hill, Kent
Reginald J Dadd Son M 4 Forest Hill, Kent
Constance B Dadd Daughter F 3 Forest Hill, Kent
Sarah A Kane Mother-In-Law F 60 Norwich, Norfolk
Florence M Kane Sister-In-Law F 19 Plumstead, Kent
Emily L Dadd Sister F 22 Holloway, London
She wasn't born till 1903, so wont be on 1901 census! Plus her parents are known to be John and Emma, not Stephen and Louisa!
-
Marriage?
-
Looks like she is here on the 1901 census
Stephen W Dadd Head M 37 Hornsey, London
Louisa L Dadd Wife F 34 Woolwich, Kent
Stephen W Dadd Son M 12 Forest Hill, Kent
Frank L Dadd Son M 9 Forest Hill, Kent
Hilda L M Dadd Daughter F 8 Forest Hill, Kent
Grace E Dadd Daughter F 6 Forest Hill, Kent
Reginald J Dadd Son M 4 Forest Hill, Kent
Constance B Dadd Daughter F 3 Forest Hill, Kent
Sarah A Kane Mother-In-Law F 60 Norwich, Norfolk
Florence M Kane Sister-In-Law F 19 Plumstead, Kent
Emily L Dadd Sister F 22 Holloway, London
She wasn't born till 1903, so wont be on 1901 census! Plus her parents are known to be John and Emma, not Stephen and Louisa!
Sorry, i meant to delete but pressed send.
-
Marriage?
Hilda I M Dadd
But her name was Hilda Lizzie/Elizabeth. Middle initials I M not mentioned in the original posting :-\
-
Marriage?
Hilda I M Dadd
Marriage Registration
Jan-Feb-Mar
1930
Medway
Kent
Spouse Name William F Smith
Volume 2A
Page 1249
Line Number 106
There was a Hilda Irene M Dadd bn in 1905, so I think this marriage relates to her.
The marriage JenB found, to Mr Harvey, is looking good.
-
This sounds like her.
Name Hilda Lizzie Grace Whiddett
Gender Female
Christening Date 28 Dec 1903
Christening Place Halden, Kent, England
Father's Name John Whiddett
Mother's Name Emma
-
This sounds like her.
Name Hilda Lizzie Grace Whiddett
Gender Female
Christening Date 28 Dec 1903
Christening Place Halden, Kent, England
Father's Name John Whiddett
Mother's Name Emma
Yes, Euphonium23 said in the original posting that Hilda was baptised at High Halden :)
-
There is the death of a Hilda Lizzie Harvey in 1985, and her birth date is given as 14th April 1903.
I see that 'your' Hilda was born in the 2nd quarter of 1903, so this would fit.
There is a tree on Ancestry which gives her date of birth as 14th April 1903 :)
-
There is the death of a Hilda Lizzie Harvey in 1985, and her birth date is given as 14th April 1903.
I see that 'your' Hilda was born in the 2nd quarter of 1903, so this would fit.
There is a tree on Ancestry which gives her date of birth as 14th April 1903 :)
There is a newspaper article Whitstable times & herne bay herald
That says Emma Whiddett died on the 15th April 1903 at 4 Norfolk St. Whitstable aged 38
This would tie in with Hilda Harvey.
-
Having a quick look at the biological father John Whiddett on the 1911 census, he lists as having 13 children & 1 died. He must of been devastated at his wife's death.
-
You may find this of interest ...
http://high-halden.kent-towns.co.uk/message-board/2187/hilda-lizzie-grace-whiddett/
-
Thank you so much everybody, ie JenB, Priscilla, Alders and lizdb, your speedy responses to my first ever post were incredible. Hilda Lizzie WHIDDETT's dob was 14th April 1903, so it does seem pretty certain she adopted the surname of her uncle and aunt (ie Dadd), and that she married George HARVEY in 1946, and died in 1985.
I'm so sad that my dear old gran (who died in 1976), didn't know. She could have met her had this information been available back then. Aged just 14yrs when her mother died, my gran brought up 8 of her younger siblings, only to then see three brothers, a sister and a brother-in-law killed in WW1.
Marrying so late, I doubt if Hilda had any children? Do any of you know where she was married and where Hilda Lizzie Harvey died please?
-
The marriage to Harvey was in Paddington Reg District
-
And death of Hilda Lizzie Harvey was Westminster Reg district
-
The marriage to Harvey was in Paddington Reg District
In order to discover exactly where the marriage took place, and to confirm it's absolutely the correct person you'd need to purchase the marriage certificate from the GRO.
-
There is a birth of a Harvey with mums maiden name Dadd in 1947, though in a different area. Could be Hilda and George's?
-
Thank you so much lzdb, that is most helpful. Hilda was born in Whitstable but her mother was born in London. Perhaps she went to live near family (Dadd) in London when she grew up and later met George Harvey. Every answered question produces more. Again, thank you.
-
Glad to see you have taken the plunge and added a post on this site, following my earlier message elsewhere. If you are interested in a tree for this family i can private message you tomorrow so we can exchange email details. My grandmother was also a Whiddett born in Canterbury in the early 1900s and although this is not my direct line I do have a few other details of the family.
Al
.
-
Hi Al,
Thanks to your help, I have found so many lines to pursue regarding Hilda Lizzie Whiddett. I know virtually everything about her 12 siblings, including my gran, Mary Ann Maud who, at the age of 14yrs, took on responsibility for raising her 8 younger siblings. Hilda was the big mystery.
I am intrigued to know how it is we are related. I guess that you are descended one of the siblings of John Whiddett, the father of the 13 children? Sadly, at the age of 72yrs, he fell from a roof in St Dunstan's Road, Canterbury and died. My mother saw the ambulance pass her school(1933), with his work mate, (who she knew), following.
I tried to attach a word document for your interest, an article that I wrote earlier this year that appeared in the Kent Messenger, but this site will not allow me to attach it.
Howard
-
Hi
I am pretty sure the Harvey marriage is correct as it ties in with her adopted parents' deaths so it seems logical she stayed at home to care for them. If this is so, there seems to have been one child, born 1947 who I am trying to track down.
My family connection to you is via Alfred Whiddett who was John's older brother by about 3 years.
Not sure if you have seen the news report of the inquiry re the 'death of Victoria Florence Whiddett (or Whidgett) from TNT poisoning' published in Faversham and N.E.K.News. Sat. 7 July 1917. It seems it was hushed up at the time and she is buried in an unmarked grave in Thannington.
Another family member indicated that John Whiddett remarried in 1924 to an Emily Butcher/White, can you shed any light on that?
Regards Al
-
Thanks Al,
I have details of Victoria Florence's death from TNT poisoning in Faversham Hospital and the report of the inquest. She only began work at the munitions factory a few months before. My brother could not locate her grave in Thannington. You are quite right regarding John WHIDDETT's second marriage. My mother says that none of the family liked his choice, although she was a young girl when she knew her. They separated before John's death. In fact she spoke at her husband's inquest, claiming that the family turned him against her. Mum says they did nothing of the sort. The inquest was reported in the local paper.
I would be most interested in whatever else you might discover about Hilda and her family.
-
We are not allowed to mention the names of people who might still be alive.
Can I suggest you use the 'modify' button to remove the name from your latest posting. :)
-
Whoops! Sorry JenB
-
Hi Al,
Here attached is a photo of John Whiddett.
-
Whoops! Sorry JenB
You need to use the 'modify' button on the relevant posting to remove the name :)
-
Al
Hopefully you will get the picture promised
-
Thanks for the picture I have very little 'flesh' on my Grandmother's side of the family, so pictures are much appreciated.
You have set me wondering, several years ago I had the pleasure to speak to Roy Leslie Stanford who had carried out an exhaustive research on the Whiddett Family (his mother was Lillian Florence Whiddett). He provided much information about my line, but I know he had so much more about the family. He even mentioned links to the Walloons. Whilst I think I know which family we connect with in Picardy I have yet to make the link.
As Roy sadly died in 2006, I wondered if anyone knows where his records went, as I do not think he had any close family. It would be such a shame if it was all lost, as his research was carried out the old fashion way with numerous phone calls and dusty trawls through old records. Perhaps a salutatory lesson for all genealogists...
Please let me know if you want to take your tree further back an I will PM you with a file.
-
Hi Al,
Thanks for your message. I know of Roy L Stanford. He contacted my mother many years ago and later sent her 4 sheets that contains Whiddett family tree in great detail. My mother was not over interested beyond her mother's generation and later gave them to me.
My sadness with all the work that dear Roy put in, is that when I started to investigate my gran's siblings, (John and Emma Whiddett's children), I discovered that it was full of inaccuracies. He had not only listed 12 children instead of 13, but inserted two Whiddetts that were not John and Emma's children and missed out three who were! The two he inserted were registered at Blean as were most of J&E's children, but they belonged to another family. With so many errors in such small part of this mammoth work, I was left wondering how many more errors had been made. I verified everything with birth certificates etc.
I have discovered errors in a number of other people's records of J&E's family. When I point out the errors, some correct their trees and others ignore me. It seems to me that there is a lot of misinformation being passed on from one tree to another.
I have a record of your ancestor Alfred. He was one of 11 children of Henry and Mary Ann Whiddett. I guess John (my great granddad), had my gran named after his mother for she was Mary Ann Maud.
Do you live anywhere near Canterbury? If so you will see four Whiddetts on the war memorial outside the Cathedral gates. One isn't related, but three are sons of John, brothers of my gran.
-
Hi Al,
Attached is an article from the Kent Messenger that I wrote about my grandmother and her siblings, the Whiddett family, that might interest you. I am awaiting the marriage certificate of Hilda Dadd in the hope that it will confirm that it is my grandmother's youngest sister.
I hope all is well with you
Howard
PS It hasn't worked. I have tried sending more photos to you before Al, but they are either too large or take too long to load. I don't know what to do about that. Not sure how I was able to send the one you did get?
-
Hi Al,
Just to say, thank you again for all your help. I purchased a marriage certificate for Hilda Whiddett/Dadd that confirms that it was her that married George E F Harvey in 1946, but the birth certificate of Jeffrey Harvey 1947 revealed mere coincidence. His parents were not Hilda and George. They were Geoffrey Harvey and Ivy Olive nee Dadd. Shame.
I hope you are getting these messages. I would send more Whiddett photos but the website's system will not upload, they are too big, (whatever that means).
Best wishes
Howard
-
The reason I ask is that there is a marriage of a Hilda E Dadd to a George Harvey in 1946.
Hi Al,
Just to say, thank you again for all your help. I purchased a marriage certificate for Hilda Whiddett/Dadd that confirms that it was her that married George E F Harvey in 1946,
One mystery solved at least :D
-
Just to say, mystery solved regarding Hilda Lizzie Whiddett. She did marry George Edward Frederick Harvey in 1946. I have a marriage certificate. In addition, I now have his death certificate. He died in 1960. I also have Hilda's death certificate, where her name is not recorded as Hilda Elzabeth Harvey nee Dadd, as entered on her marriage certificate, (which was her adoptive name, whether official or unofficial), but Hilda Lizzie Harvey, with her 'maiden surname Whiddet, they just missed out a 't' in the spelling.
She died in her home and I presume the authorities found her birth certificate with her birth name on it.
Thank you everyone for your help with this
Howard