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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: Lost Rackley on Friday 28 August 15 16:54 BST (UK)
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Looking for info on my great grandmother's missing brother.
His name was Anthony Hamill and he was seen leaving Liverpool Docks on a ship for Canada in about 1921.
He served and survived WW1 but the loss of his brother John and the war affected him and he couldn't settle in his hometown.
Any help would be very much appreciated.
My family always wondered what happened to him.
Thank you.
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What was the year of birth please ?
Parents names could also be helpful in identifying him.
Sandra
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Hi if he was born c 1897 their is an A Hammill aged 23 bound for Quebec intending to reside in the USA but possibly he was already an American, the voyage was 27th August 1920 Liverpool to Quebec on Vessel Minnedosa
Keyboard86
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Hi if he was born c 1897 their is an A Hammill aged 23 bound for Quebec intending to reside in the USA but possibly he was already an American, the voyage was 27th August 1920 Liverpool to Quebec on Vessel Minnedosa
Keyboard86
This one seems to be coming up on ancestry as Arthur Hammill aged 23 years, heading to San Francisco. Father S Hammill 3 Crucible Place, Newcastle Upon Tyne.
Sandra
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Anthony Hamill born about 1890.
His parents were James Hamill born 1840 and Mary or Elizabeth Hamill.
James Hamill married twice and confusingly named two of his sons Anthony Hamill.
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;D Oh well!
Is this Anthony in 1901?
James Hamill 60?
Mary E 39
John 8
Lottie 6
Anthony 4 b Maryport
John Smith 64
RG13/4887/98/24
Keyboard86
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Yes I think that's him.
It's very confusing because two lots of Irish Hamill's intermarried and had the same names in both families.
They also both had lodging houses in the same street in my hometown.
Untangling them is a nightmare.
My Hamill's were catholics.
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Hi again, so is it the above Anthony or an 1890 one we are seeking, was Lottie your Great Grandmother?
Keyboard86
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Anthony Hamill born 1896 in Maryport, Cumberland, England.
My great grandmother was called Charlotte Winifred Hamill.
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Anthony Hamill born 1896 in Maryport, Cumberland, England.
My great grandmother was called Charlotte Winifred Hamill.
Which suggests Charlotte is Lottie?
Keyboard86
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Charlotte Winifred Hamill was born 1897.
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Well I can readily locate a Charlotte Hamill March qtr 1895 Cockermouth 10b 620 but Charlotte Winifred?
Keyboard86
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I checked and it's 1894.
10b 626.
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I checked and it's 1894.
10b 626.
;D So Lottie in 1901 looks to be Charlotte W?
Keyboard86
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Yes seems to be.
Even my parents get confused over the Hamill's.
There was a Lottie in the other Hamill's lodging house too.
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I checked and it's 1894.
10b 626.
Wish I could find this one on Freebmd or am I missing something?
Keyboard86
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Anthony had tattoos.
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Anthony had tattoos.
;D Well that will help!
But can you post details of the Charlotte Winifred Hamill birth 1894?
Keyboard86
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1887?
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1887?
:) Look we have had for Charlotte Winifred 1897/1894/ and now 1887, the 1887 one aged 4 looks to be with an Anthony 44 plus others in 1891
Residing King Street, Maryport
Census ref RG12/4309/49/33
Keyboard86
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Tell me about it.
Two lots of Irish Hamill's who intermarried and both had lodging houses on King Street, Maryport, Cumberland.
Anthony also had an older half brother called Anthony Hamill who drowned at sea in 1893!
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Anthony Hamill was in the R.F.A. during WW1.
His older brother John Hamill was in the Border Regiment and killed in 1915 at Flanders.
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;D Good this, so just who did Charlotte Winifred marry and when?
Keyboard86
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Charlotte Hamill married William Fisher.
Not sure what year they married but my grandfather, their first son was born in 1915 John Fisher.
Charlotte (Hamill) Fisher died in 1948.
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So two half brothers who had the same father James Hamill who he named Anthony went missing at sea.
No idea which boat or ship the 1893 Anthony Hamill drowned on or where.
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Hi again from Freebmd a Charlotte ( no Winifred) Hamill married a William Fisher June qtr 1915 Cockermouth 10b 1434
Keyboard86
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Sounds right.
Anthony Hamill's regiment number was 74777.
He was a driver (Worked with horses) during WW1.
Charlotte Hamill was born 1894.
A relative just confirmed this date.
Don't worry about the Winifred middle name.
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The British Army Service Record for Anthony Hamill shows his address as 15 Nelson Street Maryport, same as the last UK census. Marine Store Dealer. It also confirms that he was tattooed - anchor and star right arm - true love and dagger left arm. Regiment No 74777 - Royal Field Artillery.
Can't see any passenger list to Canada or the USA showing Anthony Hamill born 1897. Have tried variations of the Hamill/Hammill/Hamel/Hamel surname but so far nothing.
Unfortunately there are no Central registries/indexes in Canada for BMDs. Canada has very strict privacy laws and each province imposes its own even further. Additionally, some provinces are more research friendly than others so researching in Canada can be challenging. The latest available Canadian Census is 1921 As a guide BMD Records are only available for births more than a 100 years ago, marriages 85 years ago (up to about 1930 at present) and deaths 70 years ago. Sometimes by using newspaper announcements, cemetery records, obituaries, telephone directories we can manage to find information but you can see how difficult it can be.
Regards
Sandra
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As you can see Anthony Hamill was still in his hometown of Maryport, Cumberland, England in 1921.
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Thanks for all that Sandra.
15 Nelson Street is correct but his last address was in Crosby Street, Maryport.
His father James Hamill was a marine store dealer at 3 John Street, Maryport.
Anthony worked for him.
I found a mention in a Maryport book that said that my great grandmother was granted a marine store licence in 1924.
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Yes I saw that when I glanced thru thanks. More concerned with checking the passenger lists and border crossings to see if he popped up.
Sandra
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We find it all a bit strange.
WHO witnessed him getting onto a ship for Canada at the Liverpool Docks?
Sounds to me like he was traumatised after WW1 and the death of his older brother John.
Wouldn't he have drawn his army pension if he had survived into old age?
Maybe he never left England?
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Hi,
Just to confuse things.... there is an obit in the Winnipeg Free Press, July 24 1968 for an Archie Hamill from Maryport England. He died on the 22nd. He came to Canada in 1912. He was 77. His wife was Ann. No mention of kids or other relatives.
I only mention this because if he is related, he might be a contact in this country that your relative might have come out to???
RK
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Hi,
Just to confuse things.... there is an obit in the Winnipeg Free Press, July 24 1968 for an Archie Hamill from Maryport England. He died on the 22nd. He came to Canada in 1912. He was 77. His wife was Ann. No mention of kids or other relatives.
I only mention this because if he is related, he might be a contact in this country that your relative might have come out to???
RK
Wow thanks for that Run Kitty.
That's very interesting.
Maryport is a small town.
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Wonder if Anthony went north of the border ?
Tried checking deaths for Anthony Hamill in Scotland up to 1970 but there was no record of anyone who might fit. Neither was there a marriage which could be attributed to him.
Sandra
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Trying to investigate Archie - Couldn't find an Archibald Hamill born 1891 Maryport Cumberland or a passenger list for anyone of that name.
There was an Archibald/Archie who seemed to be connected to Thomas Hamill who died in 1950. Both appear to have lived at Lewis Street throughout Canada Voters Lists and are listed on FIND A GRAVE Archie on the voters lists did have a wife Ann, however Archie was born Ontario.
Archie - 1968 -
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=hamill&GSiman=1&GScid=1975066&GRid=122711781&
Thomas - 1950 -
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=hamill&GSiman=1&GScid=1975066&GRid=122711780&
11 Lewis Street Winnipeg Manitoba 1921
Thomas Hamill 61 Born Ireland. Foreman.
Jessie Hamill 50 Born Ontario.
Archer Hamill 30 Son born Born Ont
Mary Hamill 37 Sister. Born Ire.
Also had a brother Herbert buried at Elmwood Cemetery - Winnipeg Greater Winnipeg Manitoba, Canada Plot: 2A-G1121
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=122711785&ref=acom
Sandra
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Wonder if Anthony went north of the border ?
Tried checking deaths for Anthony Hamill in Scotland up to 1970 but there was no record of anyone who might fit. Neither was there a marriage which could be attributed to him.
Sandra
How can someone just vanish?
Maybe he emigrated to another country?
America?
Australia?
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Oops :P :P
Looks like I misread Archie Hamill's death. The print is so small... the lady beside him came from Maryport - a Mrs Ethel Hazelridge McClyment.
Sorry about that. Total red herring!!!!!
Just searched for Hamill and Maryport and that is the only thing that popped up in the Canadian newspapers on FindMyPast. Please ignore!!
Will try Toronto Star and Globe and Mail.
Poor fellow does seem to have vanished. He looks so young in his photo!
RK --- sorry again for the error :'(
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Mystery solved RK - thought we'd lost another Hamill ;D
Sandra ;D
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Wonder if Anthony went north of the border ?
Tried checking deaths for Anthony Hamill in Scotland up to 1970 but there was no record of anyone who might fit. Neither was there a marriage which could be attributed to him.
Sandra
How can someone just vanish?
Maybe he emigrated to another country?
America?
Australia?
He doesn't seem to show up on passenger lists to the USA or Australia - wondered if he had a middle name and started using that but couldn't see anything under James either, which was his father's name.
Who says he went to Canada ?
Sandra
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Hi,
Not seeing an Anthony or Tony Hamill in the Toronto papers either. :'(
I think Sandra is right about the middle name. Also, is there any possibility he might have changed his name altogether.... maybe using a mother's maiden name or some such thing? He certainly isn't leaving us any clues!!
If he really wanted to disappear, it looks like he succeeded!
Your idea of following the pension is a good one. Not sure how to do that, but it might provide some sort of lead.
RK
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My family were told he was last seen leaving on a ship to Canada.
No idea who witnessed this.
Wonder if my family reported him missing at the time?
Until the 1921 census comes out I don't even know who he was living with at Crosby Street, Maryport.
My late grandfather might have known more details but he died in 1987.
Maybe he moved away and changed his name?
Would he need a passport to go abroad back then?
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You could try electoral registers for 29 Crosby Street Maryport in 1921 to see who was living there.
Something to check out - There was a marriage in Skipton Yorkshire of Anthony Hamill to Rose Bryden - June 1921 - 9a 98
A birth the following year for a James Hamill - Registered March 1922 - Skipton 9a 42
This James was born 9 December 1921 and passed away January 1993 -
Rose Ann Hamill and Anthony lived at 6 Bessie Street Skipton in 1922.
Sandra
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You could try electoral registers for 29 Crosby Street Maryport in 1921 to see who was living there.
Something to check out - There was a marriage in Skipton Yorkshire of Anthony Hamill to Rose Bryden - June 1921 - 9a 98
A birth the following year for a James Hamill - Registered March 1922 - Skipton 9a 42
This James was born 9 December 1921 and passed away January 1993 -
Rose Ann Hamill and Anthony lived at 6 Bessie Street Skipton in 1922.
Hmm that's interesting.
Because Anthony's father was called James.
Be nice if it is our Anthony Hamill.
Sandra
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You could try electoral registers for 29 Crosby Street Maryport in 1921 to see who was living there.
Something to check out - There was a marriage in Skipton Yorkshire of Anthony Hamill to Rose Bryden - June 1921 - 9a 98
A birth the following year for a James Hamill - Registered March 1922 - Skipton 9a 42
This James was born 9 December 1921 and passed away January 1993 -
Rose Ann Hamill and Anthony lived at 6 Bessie Street Skipton in 1922.
Sandra
You were correct SANDRA!
Bumped into my great aunty today and she told me Anthony married a Rose and lived in Yorkshire.
They had five children but he left them and departed from Southampton Docks on a ship for America in the 1930's?
She said it was sunk, so I'm guessing it was during WW2?
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Excellent result - pleased the mystery was solved.
Sandra ;)
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Excellent result - pleased the mystery was solved.
Sandra ;)
Solved?
Still don't know which ship he was on that went down.
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Another mystery - might Great Aunty remember more info perhaps ???
Sandra
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Another mystery - might Great Aunty remember more info perhaps ???
Sandra
Hopefully I need to talk to her more and take some notes.
She's 80.