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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Bee on Saturday 22 August 15 22:31 BST (UK)
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Hi
Looking for the marriage and death of my gt uncle Sydney Ellis.
He left the UK for Adelaide in 1932, he enlisted in the Australian army in 1940 at Caulfield, Victoria.
The back of his wedding photo gives his wife's name as Lil and the date 1949, no idea of Lil's maiden name or where the marriage took place.
Their deaths would be after c1961 as that is when they visited the UK, though I haven't found them on any passenger lists, yet.
Any help greatly appreciated.
Bee
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Bee, did he come from Hull?
When was he born?
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Yes he was born in Hull, 31/12/1903
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Not much help with his marriage Bee but the nominal roll says he served with the 2/2 Pioneers.
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au
They are still a very strong unit and have a presence online.
http://www.2nd2ndpioneerbattalion.com/profileFRAMESET.html
He was living in Wentworth when he joined up. If he went back there then marriage and death would be registered in NSW. There is no guarantee though as my father didn't return.
There is a lot of information on the site which could give you an insight into his service. He was a POW of the Japanese.
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Hi Nanna
Thanks for the info, I had found the first link but the second link is new to me.
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Hi Nanna
Thanks for the info, I had found the first link but the second link is new to me.
I only knew about it because it is my fathers unit. You could try putting a question on there about him or look at the photos.
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POW information
S ELLIS
Service Number: VX22736
Rank: Private
Unit: 2/2nd Pioneer Battalion
Conflict: Second World War, 1939-1945
Theatre of war: Java
Casualty: Prisoner of War
Location of camp: Thailand
There is a digitised copy on the below link of the register.
https://www.awm.gov.au/people/rolls/R1468065/
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Hi
On the Australia Archives site, shipping records show that Lilian and Sydney returned to Australia on the Himalaya in Oct 1961
If you look at the digital copies of the passenger lists, on Page 21 Lilian and Sydney are recorded as living in South Australia.
If you have probs finding the list send me a PM and I will send you a copy that I have saved
This could be Sydney and Lilian
Name: Sydney Ellis
Date of Death: 12/04/1990 (Aged 87 Years)
Location: East Area, Rose Bed N1, Position 037
Name: Lillian May Ellis
Date of Death: 21/02/1993 (Aged 88 Years)
Location: East Area, Rose Bed N1, Position 036
Centennial Park Cemetery SA
http://www.centennialpark.org/deceased-search/deceased-search.html
Seems that there were Death/ Funeral notices in the Adelaide Advertiser
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/savill/savill-E.html
regards
Cass
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Removed: Information provided by CassT
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I have found a record on
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/index.aspx
For a Sydney Ellis arriving in Adelaide in 1932 on the Largs Bay. His address was given as c/o Mrs JH Davies, Rialto Street Renmark.
Although Renmark and Wentworth are about 145 kilometres apart it was not uncommon for people to travel that far in those years for work.
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Thank you CassT
I've found the passenger list, I'm now going to look at the other links that you gave.
Also Nanna52, that address in Renmark was his sister Rose who was already in Australia and had married there.(I do have all her details)
Would still like the where and when of the marriage, if possible.
Thank you all
Bee
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It may not be easy to find the marriage Bee as privacy laws are pretty strong here. At least we have found when he originally arrived.
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It may not be easy to find the marriage Bee as privacy laws are pretty strong here. At least we have found when he originally arrived.
Not a problem, just like to fill in the blanks. All help is greatly appreciated.
One further question, Syd's sister Rose died in Brighton SA, would that be anywhere near were Syd & Lil died assuming that the deaths CassT found are the right ones.
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Australian Electoral Roll
1937 NSW Supplemental Roll Darling/Wentworth
ELLIS Sydney Pomona Labourer
http://www.wentworth.nsw.gov.au/history/towns.php?go=#pomona
Sydney would have more than likely travelled by train from Mildura to Melbourne and enlisted at Caulfield. I am involved with family and local history albeit in an adjacent area and have many photos of local men taken at railway stations prior to their departure for Melbourne to enlist in WW2.
The cremation records for Sydney and Lilian have formerly of Glynde, which is an eastern suburb of Adelaide. Brighton is a coastal suburb. Search google maps.
Why don't you purchase Sydney's WW2 service file as there is the possibility of correspondence post his discharge in 1945.
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/index.aspx
Victorian marriages available to 1942, South Australian are to 1937 and NSW to 1964.
You have the option of purchasing Sydney's death certificate which would have the following information.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=368744.0
http://www.cbs.sa.gov.au/wcm/births-deaths-marriages/
Cando
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SA Marriage: 1931#329/516 DAVIES, John Hector and ELLIS, Rose; Adelaide
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Davies-4052 ..."John and Rose were married at the office of the Registrar General, Flinders Street, Adelaide on 28 November 1931. Witnesses at the wedding were Alma Wyatt (John’s sister) and Alma’s husband, Ray Wyatt, who at that time, lived at Peterhead, near Port Adelaide.
In 1935, Rose received news from England advising her that her older sister, Nancy Stone, had died soon after giving birth to twins, who also died. Nancy also left three children, Ken, Enid, and Rodney, who were being cared for by a grandparent.
Rose and Jack travelled to Hull, and brought Rodney, aged five years, back to Renmark, where they formally adopted him on 22 September 1936, naming him Rodney Stone Davies. Jack and Rose had no children of their own."
Adding: Renmark Cemetery: DAVIES, Rodney Stone age 51y; Date of Burial 19/11/1982
http://www.renmarkparinga.sa.gov.au/page.aspx?c=2716
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~deadsearch/cemetery_index.htm
There is a photo of Rose and John's headstone at North Brighton Cemetery, available on request
DAVIES John Hector, 1957 age 60; Rose 1971 age 82 years Photo#4069
Email address is on the index page. Please ensure you note the cemetery name and photograph number in your request.
However as you mention you have information about Rose, you may already have this.
Cando
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One further question, Syd's sister Rose died in Brighton SA, would that be anywhere near were Syd & Lil died assuming that the deaths CassT found are the right ones.
Rose died at North Adelaide with residence Renmark.
John died at Adelaide in a hospital or place of care [may have been the Royal Adelaide Hospital] with residence Renmark.
Cando
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I am finding this most interesting as you are mentioning places where I have relations.
Although Glynde is not very close to Brighton their 1961 address from their trip to England is only 2 kilometres away.
Cando where are your photos from. My father left Mildura in 1940 to join up. He joined 2/2 Pioneers in May 1940 at Caulfield.
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Cando where are your photos from.
Not Mildura and all are identified.
The DAVIES deaths were not at Brighton nor were their places of residence Brighton. They were both resident at Renmark and died at Adelaide [in hospital or place of care] and North Adelaide. I think the burials at Brighton North Cemetery has caused some confusion.
Brighton North Cemetery is in the suburb of Somerton Park and the address in the passenger list was at Marino. I don't see the relevance.
Cando
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Cando where are your photos from.
Not Mildura and all are identified.
The DAVIES deaths were not at Brighton nor were their places of residence Brighton. They were both resident at Renmark and died at Adelaide [in hospital or place of care] and North Adelaide. I think the burials at Brighton North Cemetery has caused some confusion.
Brighton North Cemetery is in the suburb of Somerton Park and the address in the passenger list was at Marino. I don't see the relevance.
Cando
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In response to Nanna...
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It may not be easy to find the marriage Bee as privacy laws are pretty strong here. At least we have found when he originally arrived.
Not a problem, just like to fill in the blanks. All help is greatly appreciated.
One further question, Syd's sister Rose died in Brighton SA, would that be anywhere near were Syd & Lil died assuming that the deaths CassT found are the right ones.
Rose did not die at Brighton. She is buried at Brighton North Cemetery.
DAVIES Rose 82 years Status Widow Relative John Hector DAVIES [Deceased Husband]
28 Aug 1971
Residence Renmark Death Place North Adelaide Ade 136A/6217
Sydney and Lilian's 'abode' prior to their death was noted as Glynde which is miles away and across the other side of town. The ELLIS address of Angas Crescent, Marino in 1961 doesn't seem to have any relevance to a burial at Brighton North cemetery in 1957....and Brighton North Cemetery is in the suburb of Somerton Park.
Cando
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Earlier in this thread the death of Sydney Ellis was given as 12/4/1990.
The billiongraves.com site has a photo of a gravestone in Centennial Park cemetery, Pasadena SA, with correct name & wife. It also says loved father of John. I was under the impression that they did not have children, as Sydney would have been c46 years old and Lil a similar age when they got married.
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SA Marriage: 1931#329/516 DAVIES, John Hector and ELLIS, Rose; Adelaide
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Davies-4052 ..."John and Rose were married at the office of the Registrar General, Flinders Street, Adelaide on 28 November 1931. Witnesses at the wedding were Alma Wyatt (John’s sister) and Alma’s husband, Ray Wyatt, who at that time, lived at Peterhead, near Port Adelaide.
In 1935, Rose received news from England advising her that her older sister, Nancy Stone, had died soon after giving birth to twins, who also died. Nancy also left three children, Ken, Enid, and Rodney, who were being cared for by a grandparent.
Rose and Jack travelled to Hull, and brought Rodney, aged five years, back to Renmark, where they formally adopted him on 22 September 1936, naming him Rodney Stone Davies. Jack and Rose had no children of their own."
Adding: Renmark Cemetery: DAVIES, Rodney Stone age 51y; Date of Burial 19/11/1982
http://www.renmarkparinga.sa.gov.au/page.aspx?c=2716
Where on earth do you find all the info :o
Slight discrepancies. I don't know when Rose came to England but Rose Davies & young Rodney Stone travelled back to Australia on the "Orama" which departed London 27/10/1934. No sign of John Davies travelling with them.
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Where on earth do you find all the info :o
Slight discrepancies. I don't know when Rose came to England but Rose Davies & young Rodney Stone travelled back to Australia on the "Orama" which departed London 27/10/1934. No sign of John Davies travelling with them.
Why don't you click on the link which Ros has provided.
You will then see the full text as well as names and contact information about the authors of the biography.
Sue
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Where on earth do you find all the info :o
Slight discrepancies. I don't know when Rose came to England but Rose Davies & young Rodney Stone travelled back to Australia on the "Orama" which departed London 27/10/1934. No sign of John Davies travelling with them.
Why don't you click on the link which Ros has provided.
You will then see the full text as well as names and contact information about the authors of the biography.
Sue
A lot of kind people have provided lots of info and many links in a very short space of time, obviously I've missed one of the links for which I can only apologise if that has upset you.
A big thankyou to everyone who has helped.
Bee
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Bee if that is your Sydney ELLIS at Centennial Park have you considered that Lillian may have been married previously with a child?
Cando
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Bee if that is your Sydney ELLIS at Centennial Park have you considered that Lillian may have been married previously with a child?
Cando
Yes it had crossed my mind, though I think I can live without proving it.
I remember when they came to the UK in 1961, but I was only young so never really appreciated meeting them.
Bee
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Hi
on the other hand maybe John was Sydney's son, and Lillian was John's step mother. Maybe Lillian was Sydney's second wife as it seems strange no mention of John on Lillian's Memorial. Lots of maybes ;D
May I suggest that you contact the S A State Library asking if they could send you a copy of the death notices, that may solve the mystery, and if you are lucky may also give info on Lillian's family.
Cass
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Hi
on the other hand maybe John was Sydney's son, and Lillian was John's step mother. Maybe Lillian was Sydney's second wife as it seems strange no mention of John on Lillian's Memorial. Lots of maybes ;D
May I suggest that you contact the S A State Library asking if they could send you a copy of the death notices, that may solve the mystery, and if you are lucky may also give info on Lillian's family.
Cass
I don't think Sydney had been married previously, though I could be wrong, but when he enlisted in 1940 he gave his father as next of kin.
Next step is the S A State library, thanks for the suggestion.
Bee
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Please let us know if you get any information from them.
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Will do and thanks to everyone for all your help.
Bee
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I agree, I doubt Sydney was married with his father as NOK, and he was the only ELLIS enlisted to vote at the Pomona address on the 1937 electoral roll. There is no marriage in Victoria to 1940 and nothing in the Wentworth area on the NSW Marriage index. South Australian marriage registrations only extend to 1937.
One of the many reasons I suggested outlaying a fee dollars to purchase Sydney's WW2 service file is there is often correspondence etc post discharge.
Link to request the death notices from SLSA
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=387
Cando
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Sorry for the late reply, have been away on a late arranged holiday.
I've emailed the State Library, so I'll sit back and see what response I get and will keep you informed.
Thanks for all your help
Bee
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Bee - I think we are related Sydney Ellis is also my Gt Uncle! Are you in East Yorkshire ?
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I can’t seem to message you but I am trying to find out about John Harry Ellis as well. I know it’s Sydney son. I think we possibly live close by. My mum is Margaret
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You already have 2 posts so just reply ‘thanks’ to this any you will have reached 3 posts and will then be able to use PM (Personal Messages)
https://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
New members must make at least three postings before being allowed to use the PM facility.
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Thanks
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Hi Melanie, I've replied to your message.
For anyone else that are interested, John was the son of Sydney's wife from her first marriage, though he later took the surname Ellis.
Thank you to anyone that has helped previously.