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Hello,
Im trying to trace the Parents of John Monks b 1808 in Spitalfields, he married Elizabeth Larcher, I am able to find Elizabeths parents , but cannot find anything for John.
Thanks in advance
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I did find their marriage but how do you know he was born 1808 Spitalfields?
John Monks
Marriage 25 May 1828 Saint Matthew, Bethnal Green, London
Spouse Elizabeth Larcher
Colin
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Hello,
I have it in the 1851 census.
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Hi, Thanks for that, the reason I asked was I found a death in 1841, clearly not him.
I have now found them in 1841 & 1851 but not later yet. I will have a closer look tomorrow.
Colin
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Two John Monk baptisms on family search Chelsea & St Marylebone but none Spitalfields.
1841 Crown Court in Quaker Street, Christchurch, Whitechapel, Middlesex
1851 Pools Place, Quaker Street, Christchurch, Whitechapel, Middlesex
All born Spitalfields, except Elizabeth Shoreditch
John Monks Head 43 1808 Silk Weaver
Elizabeth Monks Wife 42 1809 Silk Weaveress
Ann Monks Daughter 13 1838 Servant
Sarah Monks Daughter 12 1839 -
John Monks Son 10 1841 -
William Monks Son 9 1842 -
Thomas Monks Son 6 1845 -
Mary Monks Daughter 4 1847 -
Henry Monks Son 0 1851 -
I cannot find any of them after 1851?
Sorry I cannot help.
Colin
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Hi Colin ,
Many thanks for your help.
I too have that info, and it ties in with what i have elsewhere, just a pity I cannot go further back than John........things become even more sketchy when the Monks become Monk.......
Take care
Gary
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Hi Gary,
Just one small point have you googled the silk weavers of Spitalfields, many of them descend from French Huguenots. There is quite a lot of info. on line, you might get lucky.
Regards
Colin
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Hi Colin,
I hadnt thought of that.
Thanks for your help
Gary
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Hi,
Just a thought ... have you tried going laterally through the family and researched brothers and sisters of John? There are numerous baptism and marriage records for "MONKS" in the vicinity of Spitalfields, from the early 1800s and many of these register parents names. Some of these refernce "trader", "weaver" as professions. There are also London rent and tax records for a couple of John Monks that may be applicable.
arky101
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FYI,
If you do an ancestry.com search on the surname, input the parents names, restrict years to 1838 +/- 10 years, and restrict to Middlesex you will see many of the baptisms for the children of John and Elizabeth. Is it possible his first names were John Francis? If so there are children before Ann. In particular John Thomas Monks, born Feb 18, 1829 to John Francis and Elizabeth, at Holywell Lane, Shoreditch, father's profession is Weaver. Also Elizabeth Frances Monks born Mar 7, 1832, to John Francis and Elizabeth, at Holywell Lane, Shoreditch, father's profession is Weaver.
arky101
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Hi
Wonder if this is him, a Non Conformist burial at Victoria Park Cemetery Hackney.
John MONKS of Quaker Street, Spitalfields, aged 57 yrs. Buried 8th April 1863.
Which may put his birth year c1806.
claire
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1871, Wilkes St Spitalfields
Elizabeth Monks 63 - widow, charwoman b Shoreditch
Henry Monks 20 - trunk maker, b Spitalfields
RG10, 505, 55, 26
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Really appreciate everyones input.
I will look into your ideas
Thanks very much
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1871, Wilkes St Spitalfields
Elizabeth Monks 63 - widow, charwoman b Shoreditch
Henry Monks 20 - trunk maker, b Spitalfields
RG10, 505, 55, 26
Elizabeth (LARCHER) MONKS was born 8 April 1808 in Spitalfields, so the 1871 census age is accurate.
John Monks was buried 8th April 1863 in Hackney cemetery, but Elizabeth seems to disappear after 1871. I bought the death cert for an Elizabeth MONK 19 Jun 1873 Whitechapel - but it is not her. I have gone cross-eyed looking at FreeBMD, but can't find a death for her. Can anyone help?
(p.s. - I have all I need on Elizabeth up to 1861)
Many thanks
Philip
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Have you ruled out the 1885 death Philip ?
There is a record of this woman in the Poor Law records at Stepney 1885
Elizabeth Monks aged 79, of ? Pipes Head Court. widow, of John a weaver, was infirm when admitted: 31 Dec 1884, reason for discharge: Dead, 4 Jan 1885
Aged: 79 registered at Whitechapel March Qtr. 1885
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Have you ruled out the 1885 death Philip ?
There is a record of this woman in the Poor Law records at Stepney 1885
Elizabeth Monks aged 79, of ? Pipes Head Court. widow, of John a weaver, was infirm when admitted: 31 Dec 1884, reason for discharge: Dead, 4 Jan 1885
Aged: 79 registered at Whitechapel March Qtr. 1885
Honestly, I expected better of me! Foolishly, I made an assumption (yes, I know - a very silly thing to do!) that as I could not find Elizabeth on the 1881 census she must have died before then. Popes Head Court was off Quaker Street where the family had previously lived, so it looks very promising.
Doh! (The Simpsons)
Stupid boy! (Captain Mainwaring, Dad's Army)
Whatta mistaka to make! (the Italian captain in 'Allo 'Allo).
Abashed and humbled, I'm heading off to order the cert from GRO.
A thousand thanks
Philip
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You are very welcome Philip ;D
Can't readily see her in 1881 either
EDIT: Whitechapel infirmary record, states she died of bronchitis
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Hi Philip,
I agree with Claire, I have a download of the workhouse admission if you would like me to send it you.
Hope you are well
Gary
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Hi Philip,
I agree with Claire, I have a download of the workhouse admission if you would like me to send it you.
Hope you are well
Gary
Ooooh, yes please. I'm sending you a pm
Philip
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Have you ruled out the 1885 death Philip ?
There is a record of this woman in the Poor Law records at Stepney 1885
Elizabeth Monks aged 79, of ? Pipes Head Court. widow, of John a weaver, was infirm when admitted: 31 Dec 1884, reason for discharge: Dead, 4 Jan 1885
Aged: 79 registered at Whitechapel March Qtr. 1885
Honestly, I expected better of me! Foolishly, I made an assumption (yes, I know - a very silly thing to do!) that as I could not find Elizabeth on the 1881 census she must have died before then. Popes Head Court was off Quaker Street where the family had previously lived, so it looks very promising.
Doh! (The Simpsons)
Stupid boy! (Captain Mainwaring, Dad's Army)
Whatta mistaka to make! (the Italian captain in 'Allo 'Allo).
Abashed and humbled, I'm heading off to order the cert from GRO.
A thousand thanks
Philip
And the certificate has now arrived.
I am confident that this is my Elizabeth Monks (nee Larcher) as the age and address fit.
The search for the parents of John MONKS goes on!
Thank you all.
Philip
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Time passes, and I still can't find a birth for John Monks c1808.
John Monks (bachelor) married Elizabeth Larcher 25 May 1828 Bethnal Green. (witnesses Andrew Larcher X and Saml Jones).
Earliest known address 1841 Crown Ct, Quaker Street, Spitalfields (later addresses around Quaker Street)
Occupation: silk weaver.
Ages given: 1841 census 30 (rounded!);1851 census 43; 1863 burial 57.
Children William, Ann, Sarah, John, Thomas, Mary, Henry (no obvious naming patterns or unusual names there).
There is a John Thomas Monks bapt 1803 son of Hugh, a drayman, who I have eliminated.
There are some MONKS families of silk weavers around Spitalfields at the time, but I can't find a baptism for John.
Could anyone bring a fresh pair of eyes to this search?
Many thanks
Philip