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Hi,
Can anyone help please.
I am looking for any information on Ellen Rice born about 1837 Dublin, Ireland. She married Henry O'Neill about 1856 in Dublin Ireland. He was the Captain of the steamship 'Killarney'. I have a great deal of information on Henry O'Neill and their children who were all born in Sydney, Australia but not a great deal is known about Ellen.
She died on the 19 June 1897 Sydney NSW, her daughter Jane Corbett was the informant on the death certificate and put her father's name down as Edward Rice but there is no name for her mother. Would like to find her parents and any brothers and sisters also the marriage date to Henry O'Neill.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks :)
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The irishgenealogy site has a baptism for an Ellen Rice in Lucan, Dublin in 1835 but the parents are Dennis & Ellen. There is also a baptism for a sibling Edward: -
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/53b0a90015019
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Just for interest - not sure if these are the right family for you - but Dennis Rice is mentioned in a death entry on familysearch for a daughter Catherine Collinson and gives her mother as Ellen Oliver.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W9H-7SJ
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Hi miriamkinga,
I'm not sure if Edward Rice is my Ellen's father's name it was only what was on the death certificate so anything is possible.
None of Ellen and Henry's children are named Edward or Dennis
There is no Catherine Collinson or Ellen Oliver in the family tree that I know of either.
Thank you for the information, much appreciated.
Cheers.............. :)
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Just a record that I saw.
Tara
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Was there ever any mention of an occupation for Edward ?
Tara
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A relation !
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=464006.0
Tara
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Commander Henry O'Neill
Tara
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A few links
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1877/07/044kil.htm
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1875/06/037kil.htm
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/11567815
http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=ROOT_CATEGORY&rank=1&new=1&so=3&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=seorecords&gsfn=Henry&gsln=ONeill&msbdy=1829&msbpn__ftp=England&msddy=&msdpn__ftp=&cpxt=0&catBucket=p&uidh=000&cp=0
Tara
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Hi Tara,
So sorry that I haven't replied until now, just found your post for Ellen O'Neill.
Thank you for the links and also the article about the birth notice, this is a very interesting bit of information. I found that Ellen Rice--O'Neill had travelled to England when Henry O'Neill died to take care of his probate (he was washed overboard from the ship 'Killarney) so the birth could be one of their children as some of them are not registered in the New South Wales, Australia Births, Deaths and Marriages and have been hard to pin down.
Again many thanks............Cheers :)
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Hiya
There are a couple of Edward Rice possibilities but without a known occupation you could go on a wild goose chase.
Was there nothing re Edward on Ellen's death cert ?
Was there an obit for her or her husband where Edward might has been mentioned ?
Did she have siblings near her in Australia ?
Tara
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Hi Tara,
No occupation was mentioned on her death certificate for her father, just his name Edward and I pretty sure she had no other family here except for her husband Henry O'Neill and their children, one child Adelaide was supposed to have been born on their way to Australia ??. This is such a hard family to trace as I am finding so much conflicting information on them and so little information as well.
Cheers :)
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Hi There
What were the names of all of her children in chronological order ?
You can sometimes get great leads this way.
Tara
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Hi again Tara,
The children are:
1) Adelaide Helena bn: c1861? dd: 1943 New South Wales.
2) Henry bn: 1863 dd:1863 New South Wales.
3)Angela or Annie bn: 1865 and I know nothing about her at all.
4)Jane Elizabeth bn: 1866 dd: 1934. New South Wales.
5)Emily bn: 1870 dd; 1933. New South Wales.
6)Margaret bn: 1873 dd:1875. New South Wales.
7)Ellen bn: 1875 dd: 1876. New South Wales.
8)Mary bn: 1877 dd:1877 New South Wales.
9)John bn: 1877 dd:1877 (Twins) New South Wales
I can only find the births under Ellen's name on the NSW Births, Deaths and Marriages, except for the birth of the twins John & Mary with both Henry and Ellen listed as the parents.
For some reason Henry O'Neill is not listed on the others. Another mystery.
Can not find Margaret's birth but have her death certificate with both parents names, and Emily's death certificate with her parents names on it .
(Emily is my grandfather's mother on my father's side of the family.)
Henry O'Neill's parent's name's are Martha Gamble and Matthew O'Neill.
So as you can see only one son and daughter have family names. Just more confusion.
And sorry again for the delay in replying but I am not on the computer everyday and I have come down with the flu.
Had the silly flu shot and still managed to get it. lol.
Cheers :)
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I was interested in this chap.
There are bits and pieces on him in the newspapers.
His wife was called Anne.
Ellen's second daughter was called Anne ~ HA A stretch I know !
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014888/005014888_00545.pdf
Tara
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Was there ever discussed the possibility that Ellen & Henry never married ?
I was expecting to see the marriage of a captain in the newspapers but no sign.
Then you said that Henry wasn't mentioned on a lot of the children's records.
HUM, I suppose, given that he was a Captain that he could have married himself, himself ;D :o ;D
Tara
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I'll just post the few bits, just incase !
Tara
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1863
Tara
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1884
Tara
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INTERESTING
Anne's death was asked to be copied in AUSTRALIAN newspapers :o
Tara
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A possible son to Edward !
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/c7876f0427625
Tara
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Just a record that I saw.
Tara
This newspaper article - what year is it from? is it 1865 as noted?
If so, it refers to the birth of a son when the listing of family here refers to daughter Annie/Angela being born in 1865?
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I'm not even sure if that's the same Henry O'Neill.
It was just an article I saw and I posted it as a possibility !
Tara
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I'll just keep posting the Edward Rice / Anne Doran details, just in case there's a lead !
A son called Matthew getting married.
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/b8f5ac0057207
Tara
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Some Baptisms
Christopher 1844
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/c00aa30325606
Mary Monica 1838
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/a085610306481
Edward Patrick 1836
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/474c950125697
Francis George 1837
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/5e74210306071
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/eff5830022110
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/c7876f0427625
Matthew John 1849
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/c6627e0328228
Monica 1845
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/37bf820326291
Edward & Anne marriage
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/7e792d0035464
NOT saying that this is the correct Edward, just a possibility.
NO sign of an Ellen to this couple but there could be a reason for this.
Tara
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Hi Tara,
Oh my, so much information. Thank you so much, I'm trying to take it all in.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if this turns out to be Ellen's family.
Unfortunately the Irish church records you posted won't let me in to read them for some reason.
One other mystery I found here too is that in all the articles in the Trove newspapers about Henry O'Neill's death his family are not even mentioned..
In the pieces you posted family names are coming up eg: Mary, Anne ect.
My next stop is to look up and see I can find Anne Rice's death notice in the papers here.
Many, many thanks :D
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Hi There
Just enter the 'captcha' and you will get into them.
Looks it's AN Edward Rice having children in Dublin at the same time that Ellen was born.
Ellen could have been from Dublin County as opposed to the City and that's a totally different kettle of fish.
There are a few oddities in Ellen & Henry that have me cautious ~ how SURE are you that she was even a Dublin native ?
Tara
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Hi Tara,
On Ellen O'Neill's death certificate where it asks where born it says Dublin Ireland also on the death certificate it says that she was married in Dublin, age 19 years.
And on the twin John O'Neill's death certificate in 1877 it states that they were married in Dublin and Ellen's birth place is down as Dublin on the certificate, informant was Ellen O'Neill.
Don't know if this is relevant but I found an entry on the FamilySearch website today:
Edward Rice, prisoner, born 1796.
Event Place Kilmainham.
Event date 1821.
Then it states, A Convict from County Down.
(County Down being where Henry O'Neill was born.)
I haven't found an entry in the Australian newspaper archive on Anne Rice's death as yet but I will get looking when I get some more time tomorrow.
Much appreciate the work you are putting into my posting about Ellen O'Neill.
Cheers...................... :D
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While the 'possible' Edward that I have put forward lived in the Kilmainham area that was also the name for one of our major prisons ~ so there is a possibility of just a coincidence.
Great that there is so much info saying that Ellen was a Dublin lass.
I shall keep poking about and see if I get a lead !
Tara
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DUH
I never checked Ellen & Henry's religion !
Do you know what it was ?
Tara
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I note that you say that Henry was from County Down yet the other thread that I posted for you say that he was from Cork ???
Tara
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Hi Tara,
Ellen and Henry's religion is Catholic and the reference to County Cork comes from the death certificate of the twin child John which just adds another mystery to this family as I have found a lot of information on Henry and where he was born maybe the family moved to Cork when he was young child.
Cheers............... ???