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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: tigerprawn on Wednesday 19 August 15 23:49 BST (UK)
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I am looking for my great grandmother, Ruby Mary SWAIN. I haven't been able to find a record of her birth and she doesn't appear until she marries Hercules Henry Burke.
As far as I know Cecilia Margeret LiNDHOLD (Cecilie Margrethe) is her mother and Fredrick SWAIN her father. However, she may have been born during a period that Cecilia abandoned Fred but before their divorce so Ruby Mary may not be the daughter of Fred. As Cecilia was still married and still had the SWAIN name, this could be the reason Ruby Mary took that name.
The information I have for Ruby Mary SWAIN:
Born: 21 Nov 1891, New South Wales, Australia
Died: 21 May 1972, Burwood NSW, Australia
Married: 27 Nov 1912 to Hercules Henry Burke
Mother: Cecilia Margaret Lindhold
Father: Fredrick Swain
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Hi tigerprawn
This new request is of course carried over from your recent thread seeking information for Frederick SWAIN and his wife Cecilia Margaret, nee LINDHOLD / Lindholt.
Quite a few of the RootsChatters responding to the previous thread, have already searched in vain for the New Zealand birth registration of Ruby Mary.
For my own part this included using NZ BDM (online) plus the NZ Birth index (@ ancestry) and working through all the "Ruby (and Rubie) names" + "Mary" / + births registered in or near Invercargill (+ all of NZ) etc. etc. for a period of 5 years either side of the supposed birth year of Ruby. I was able to eliminate all of those I determined might have been possibilities.
I'd also given you information (which came from a number of online "trees"), that said "Ruby" was born in "Invercargill, New Zealand". Certainly, it's always wise to treat information found in online trees, with great caution. Whether the information about Ruby's birthplace being Invercargill is correct, is unknown. It may be pure guesswork by the other researchers of this family ... or, somebody may have documentation which confirms this.
I am looking for my great grandmother, Ruby Mary SWAIN. I haven't been able to find a record of her birth and she doesn't appear until she marries Hercules Henry Burke.
The information I have for Ruby Mary SWAIN:
Born: 21 Nov 1891, New South Wales, Australia
Now curious as to why you have the above, stating Ruby was born in "New South Wales, Australia" ???
* Can you tell us please, the source you have for Ruby's birth information ??
~ Lu
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This may be the birth you are referring to but it does not seem to be correct
18763/1891 SWAIN RUBY B CHARLES F ELLEN LEICHHARDT
Cheers Janette
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This may be the birth you are referring to but it does not seem to be correct
18763/1891 SWAIN RUBY B CHARLES F ELLEN LEICHHARDT
Cheers Janette
Yes, I saw this entry when looking for Ruby SWAIN's marriage details and wondered whether that was where the 1891 birth date may have originated. Ruby R SWAIN married James S Daly in Sydney in 1916, so definitely a different person.
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Intention to Marry Certificate. Ref: BDM 20/28 Invercargill 1883 p.1186/76.
Notice dated 10 August: William Alfred THORNHILL, bachelor, a labourer aged 27 years, residing at Longbush, length of residence 27 years to marry Anna Maria LINDHOLD, spinster, Domestic Servant aged 16 years, residing at Longbush, length of residence 4 months, at the Office of the Registrar, Invercargill.
Name & Relation of Person giving Consent in Case of a Minor: Johanna NEILSON, mother, married twice.
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ANNE MARIE LINDHOLT
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
30 APR 1867 Oster Logum, Aabenraa-Sonderborg, Denmark
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: PEDER THOMSEN LINDHOLT Family
Mother: JOHANNE ULRIKKA OLESEN
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CAECILIE MARGRETHE LINDHOLT
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
29 MAR 1869 Oster Logum, Aabenraa-Sonderborg, Denmark
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: PETER THOMSEN LINDHOLT Family
Mother: JOHANNE ULRIKKA OLSEN
In 1889 CAECILIE MARGRETHE LINDHOLT had deserted Frederic Swain in NZ
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=BA19070316.2.51.6&srpos=1&e=-------10--1----0%22Fredrick+Swain%22--
1913 Hercules Henry Burke dairyman, of Thora, near Bellingen is a bankrupt
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/72336741?searchTerm=%22Hercules%20Henry%20Burke%22&searchLimits=
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Just to save doubling up on / repeating, information, here is the link to "tigerprawn's" previous thread (which covers info re: Cecilia Margaret SWAIN, formerly LINDHOLD / LINDHOLT; her parents Johanna Ulrikka OLESEN / Peter Thomsen LINDHOLT, etc ... )
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=727711.0
[New Zealand History ]
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In 1889 CAECILIE MARGRETHE LINDHOLT had deserted Frederic Swain in NZ
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=BA19070316.2.51.6&srpos=1&e=-------10--1----0%22Fredrick+Swain%22--
Just wanted to point out that the above article contains a typographical error relating to the year [has 1899 rather than 1889.
The Writ of Summons Notice was also published in >
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz
"Evening Post" (Wellington) - 15 March 1907 - page 6 -- column 2
... Frederick SWAIN .... on the ground that on or about the month of June, 1889 ...
Please note also that the names of parties in this divorce petition are shown as "Frederick SWAIN and Cecilia Margaret SWAIN (not Caecilie Margarethe Lindholt / Frederic SWAIN ).
~ Lu
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Hi TigerPrawn,
Sorry I can't help with any info about Ruby, but we're probably related because she was my grandmother. I was born 4 years after Ruby's husband Hercules Henry died. His gravestone is about 20 minutes drive from where I live. I've always been curious to know more about Ruby but as you've found out there seems to be very little information available. I have some distant memories of her from my childhood and a few photos.
kind regards, Rod
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Rod,I may be able to shed a small ray of light if you are still looking..I am also grand son, cheers
lived with RM some years while at school in 50's Cheers.
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hi, thanks for replying to my post. I guess that makes us cousins!
I'd like to find out more. This forum has private messaging but only after you've made 3 posts.
But I have a temporary email address .. (*)
If you send me an email with some contact details I can get back to you from my real mailbox.
cheers, Rod
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Hi,Rod yes indeed- so this is post No2.Your e address was removed but lets proceed anyway. Your
sign on as rb gives me a clue so I'm guessing you were born in Tamworth, me in Uralla..we'll see.Post 3 will get us in direct contact. I've gathered a reasonable amount of background on RM, HHB and prior generations but there are still mysteries. Maybe we can solve some.We, my wife and I, are off to Scandinavia soon and have tracked RM's Mother and Grandmother to Skrydstrup Denmark and the old
Church her Mother and Aunt were christened in..we have photos.Not definite as yet but just may go there. Look forward to next contact, Regards Shomoff
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thanks and wow!, here's my third post
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And now mine Where to next ? shomoff.
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ok, I messaged you my email address