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Hi, in looking for any info on James Lewis Cullum. The only info I have is that he was married to Florence May Hurrell and had a child Roy Kenneth Cullum who was born in 1927. They are from the Forhoe District in Norfolk.
Many thanks
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Might this be his birth & death entry?
Births (FreeBMD)
Mar 1885 Forehoe 4b 195
Cullum James Louis
Deaths
Dec 1950 Norwich Outer 4b 656
CULLUM James L age 65 (1885)
Not seeing a marriage Cullum/Hurrell ???
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might this be Florence's birth entry
Births
Dec 1887 Norwich vol 4b page 169
Hurrell Florence May
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James Louis Cullum born 1885 on 1891/1901c
James Louis Cullum Baptism 18 Jan 1885 St Peter Morley
Residence Morley-St. Peter, Norfolk, England
parents George Cullum & Anna Ellen
Marriages
Mar 1871 Forehoe vol 4b page 259
Cullam George name on same page Drake Anna Ellen
1881c https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XQMF-XD6
first child Sarah Ann born 1871, family search has her baptism (and others) & her marriage
1891 c RG12/1534/84/14
Attleborough Road, Morley St Peter, Forehoe, Norfolk, England
George Cullum Head 39 1852 Farm Labourer Norfolk, England
Anna Ellen Cullum 40 1851 Norfolk, England
Charles W Cullum Son 17 1874 Farm Labourer Norfolk, England
Walter G Cullum Son 12 1879 Scholar Norfolk, England
John Cullum son 10 1881 Scholar Norfolk, England
James L Cullum son 6 1885 Norfolk, England
Emily M Cullum Daughter 3 1888 - Norfolk, England
Albert E Cullum Son 0 1891 - Norfolk, England
1901 James L Cullum age 16 agl lab. is still at home with his parents & 2 siblings Charles & Emily living 7, Church Lane, Morley St Peter(St Botolph 1885), Morley St Peter, Forehoe, Norfolk
RG13/1850/80/15
I can see the 1927 Cullum birth entry mmn Hurrell, I've tried all combinations that I can think of on FreeBMD to try and find a marriage entry but I'm not seeing anything ???
Their marriage cert. would obviously confirm both their father's names, occupations ages etc....
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Thank you for all the info. By the bits I've been told james cullum died when my dad was young he was born 1953. Not much was said in family about james as Florence got married "again"after he died and everything was said about her and her husband. And my grandad died when I was 7
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This looks like the death of the James L Cullum who was b. 1885 ....
Q4 1950
Cullum, James Lewis
Age 65
Norwich Outer Registration District
Vol 4b, page 656
STG
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Thank you smalltowngirl :)
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Hi you may already have his tatty war record, but by looking at it he did not agree with the "Louis" middle name and someone has crossed it out and shown Lewis unless I am reading it incorrectly he states born 20th November 1883 Morley, parents and siblings as shown above, he is transcribed as James Lewis CALLUM
Keyboard86
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Thank you for all the info. By the bits I've been told james cullum died when my dad was young he was born 1953. Not much was said in family about james as Florence got married "again"after he died and everything was said about her and her husband. And my grandad died when I was 7
Hi Debs C,
Firstly a very warm welcome to RootsChat!
I wonder if it was the other way around, in that she had married before she married James L Cullum, as there is this marriage on FreeBMD:
Hurrell, Florence M to Fulcher, Sidney; Dec qtr 1915; Norwich; Volume 4b Page 405
Only problem with this is, I cannot find a Fulcher to Cullum marriage at all!
Hope this helps.
Kind regards
David
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To keyboard86.
This makes me laugh as some things say Louis but others say lewis as I have one and only document saying james Lewis cullum
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Forgot to say Welcome Debs C :)
so my reply 1 for the 1885 birth/1950 death entry for James is the one you are looking for
great that STG has added the middle name for his death
As I couldn't find a marriage entry for James & Florence I was going to ask you whether she
was previously married but you say she married 'again'. I'd wondered if it was before James :-\
Did Florence have a brother named Leonard?
The reason I'm asking he was in the Army and on his Medical Record Sheet there was a Florence May Hurrell who witnessed his 1912 marriage along with Sidney FULCHER
Free BMD has a 1915 marriage entry Norwich
Sidney FULCHER to Florence M Hurrell
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That's even more interesting info. I don't know if she was married before but must seem legit if all is going that way
Thank you so much for all of this :)
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Leonard’s next of Kin on his record
Brother (Elder)? Arthur Hurrell 214 Heigham St Norwich
“ (Younger) ? Alec "" ""
there’s this 1901 census entry not sure if it relates to your Florence May Hurrell though
Chittock Court, 21, Rising Sun Lane, Norwich, Norfolk, England
John William Brown 41 1860 Bricklayer Labourer Norwich, Norfolk,
Ellen Brown Wife 49 1852 Charwoman Norwich, Norfolk, England
Alexandra Hurrell Son 17 1884 Carter Timber Trade Norwich, Norfolk,
Edith Mary Hurrell Daughter 15 1886 Packer Starch Norwich,
Florence Hurrell Daughter 13 1888 - Norwich, Norfolk, England
RG13 /1841 /14 /20
EDITED as this doesn't appear to be the correct Hurrell family
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Thank you ladyhawk. I've got that Florence was born in 1887. But that could be correct. Have spoken to my dad and he says that james cullum did die before he was born so my mistake sorry.
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looking for any info on James Lewis Cullum.
The only info I have is that he was married to Florence May Hurrell and had a child
R K Cullum who was born 1927.
They are from the Forhoe District in Norfolk.
Have spoken to my dad and he says that james cullum did die before he was born so my mistake sorry.
I've got that Florence was born in 1887
Might this be his birth & death entry?
Births (FreeBMD)
Mar 1885 Forehoe 4b 195
Cullum James Louis
Deaths
Dec 1950 Norwich Outer 4b 656
CULLUM James L age 65 (1885)
Births
Dec 1887 Norwich vol 4b page 169
Hurrell Florence May Edited as not the correct person
So as far as your aware the above info. is correct
Forgot to add that there are two birth entries in Norwich
1916 (also a death in the same 1916 qtr.) and a birth 1926
Surname Fulcher mmn Hurrell See FreeBMD for full names http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
There's also a death of a Sidney Fulcher age 52 in Wayland Jun 1943
If that is their child
Fulcher (mmn Hurrell) birth 1926 is in Oct/Nov/Dec qtr. :-\
and your
Cullum (mmn Hurrell) birth 1927 is in Jan/Feb/ Mar qtr :-\
Do you have the 1927 b/c confirming mothers full name? If so, who registered the birth?
To confirm who the parents are of the 1926 birth you would need to purchase the b/c.
I'm wondering if the Florence who married Sidney is a different person although
I'm not seeing two Florence May Hurrell's born c1887 Norwich
Do you have any other details for your Florence May Hurrell
ie when she died , where she was born, her parents names, year she married ?
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unfortunately can't see any details for his marriage on his Army Record :(
Sidney Fulcher age 26 married occ Canteen Manager,
address Market Café, Market Place Norwich
Service number A/257472 Regiment Army Service Corps
Unit / Battalion Expedetionary Force Canteen, NACB
Event year 1917
Sidney Fulcher
Soldier Number: A-257472, Rank: Acting Corporal, Corps: Army Service Corps Archive reference WO372/7
Archive reference description Campaign Medal Index Cards and Silver War Badge Cards
Sidney appears to be the son of James (Café Manager) & Sarah Fulcher
living 52, Connaught Road, Heigham, Norwich, Norfolk, England in 1901
RG13 /1844 /90 /15
He's mentioned here
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/36069/page/2917/data.pdf
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/Edinburgh/issue/15760/page/699/data.pdf
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Ladyhawk
I'll have a look later on today for more info and let you know :)
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great that STG has added the middle name for his death
Oh dear, it appears I've invented the middle name. The record just shows James L Cullum.
Soooooo sorry :-[
I'll amend my original post.
STG :-[
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STG
No you were correct James's middle name was Louis/Lewis
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Have just looked through some old newspaper clippings and have found that Florence is a Ethel.
Don't know where Florence came from must of been somewhere because things are replaying to the son born in 1927 etc
So so sorry for the confusion
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Hello,
Free BMD has a marriage in 1920, Forehoe, Norfolk for Ethel M Hurrell to a Cullum. The spouse full name isn't showing though.
Heywood
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Have just looked through some old newspaper clippings and have found that Florence is a Ethel.
Don't know where Florence came from must of been somewhere because things are replaying to the son born in 1927 etc
So so sorry for the confusion
No problem :)
If the marriage entry Heywood has posted is correct that would give you her father's name
this might be her on 1891 census
William Hurrell Head 33 1858 Railway Labourer Wicklewood, Norfolk, England
Hannah Hurrell Wife 31 1860 - Wymondham, Norfolk, England
Laura A Hurrell Daughter 8 1883 - Wicklewood, Norfolk, England
Ethel M Hurrell Daughter 6 1885 - Wicklewood, Norfolk, England living Low Street, Crownthorpe, Forehoe, Norfolk - edited as possibly wrong Ethel
Is this her 2nd marriage? (see FreeBMD)
Cullum to Bolton Dec 1954 Norwich Outer 4b 1303
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Thank you both will read up more later
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Hold on a minute!
Not sure that's the correct Ethel (the one found by Ladyhawk). There are quite a few b.Norfolk between 1884 and 1895. In fact, there's one b. in Forehow Reg District in Q4 1895. On the 1901 census, she's in Crownthorpe with parents James and Christina and a shed load of siblings. Might she be a more likely fit?
STG
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Was Ethel's middle name May?
If so the 1891 census I posted wouldn't be the correct Ethel
Births Dec 1895 Forehoe 4b 187 Hurrell Ethel May
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On the 1901 census, she's in Crownthorpe with parents James and Christina and a shed load of siblings. Might she be a more likely fit?
Think you could be right I was posting whilst red writing - transcribed as HARRELL
1901 Near Church, Crownthorpe, Forehoe, Norfolk, England
James Head 40 1861 Ordinary Agricultral Labourer Wicklewood,
Christiana Wife 39 1862 - Wicklewood, Norfolk, England
Albert E Son 16 1885 Ordinary Agricultral Labourer Wicklewood,
Herbert J Son 14 1887 Stock Man On Farm Wicklewood, Norfolk,
Percey J Son 12 1889 Stock Man On Farm Wicklewood, Norfolk,
Anna M Daughter 10 1891 - Crownthorpe, Norfolk, England
Edith A Daughter 8 1893 - Crownthorpe, Norfolk, England
Ethel M Daughter 5 1896 - Crownthorpe, Norfolk, England
Ida G Daughter 3 1898 - Crownthorpe, Norfolk, England
Arthur W Son 1 1900 - Crownthorpe, Norfolk, England
again the only way to be certain would be to check the marriage certificate
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And Crownthorpe (where Ethel is) is only 4-5 miles away from Morley St Peter (where James is) ...
Jus' sayin' ;)
STG
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Was Ethel's middle name May?
Births Dec 1895 Forehoe 4b 187 Ethel May HURRELL
Is this her 2nd marriage?
Ethel M Cullum to Bolton Dec 1954 Norwich Outer 4b 1303
Death entry
Ethel May Bolton born 26 /8 /1895
Death year 1975 District NORWICH OUTER Volume 10 Page 2101
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Yes that is the second marriage from cullum to bolton.
I got told that Ethel only had sisters but not sure
Thank you again :)
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You are very welcome :)
If you are thinking about ordering marriage, birth or death certificates they can be
purchased from GRO they cost £9.25 each (standard service)
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
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Yes I did notice that earlier where you can get them from.
Again thank you for all your help.